déjà vu all over again :Subaru
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:22:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:16:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

.is all this stuff worse than the zebra
mussels delivered here by some Russian tanker?

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Zebra mussels are given credit in some circles for having cleaned up
Lake Ontario.

They are also proving to be a food source for fish species like
smallmouth and crappie. I know when I was up in the St. Lawrence a
couple of years ago, the water was as clear as it could get, you could
easily sight fish for pike and smallmouth and some of the walleye were
spectacular.

Just based on anecdotal evidence, it would seem that these aren't the
threat everyone seems to think they are..

Sure they are. Power and water plants have to clean them out of their
intake water pipes so they are not clogged.

Also:
============================
" Besides clogging pipes and devouring most of the available microscopic
food supply, zebra mussels may present a health hazard by increasing human
and wildlife exposure to organic pollutants such as PCBs and PAHs. Studies
have shown that zebra mussels can accumulate the pollutants in their tissues
in concentrations 300,000 times greater than in the environment. They
deposit these pollutants as pseudofeces, loose pellets of mucous mixed with
particulate matter that they filter from the water. Scavenging animals
that eat the pseudofeces may pass these pollutants up the food chain. When
the zebra mussels coat bathing beaches, the sharp-edged mussels cut the
tender feet of swimmers. "

http://octopus.gma.org/surfing/human/zebra.html
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Have you ever stepped on a rock filled with these critters when you were
swimming and barefoot? I have, as have all of my family members at one time
or another. They cut up your feet pretty bad and if left untreated can lead
to infection.

déjà vu all over again :Subaru
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:22:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:16:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

.is all this stuff worse than the zebra
mussels delivered here by some Russian tanker?

====================================

Zebra mussels are given credit in some circles for having cleaned up
Lake Ontario.

They are also proving to be a food source for fish species like
smallmouth and crappie. I know when I was up in the St. Lawrence a
couple of years ago, the water was as clear as it could get, you could
easily sight fish for pike and smallmouth and some of the walleye were
spectacular.

Just based on anecdotal evidence, it would seem that these aren't the
threat everyone seems to think they are..


The jury is still out, yes the wall is clearer and now sunlight reaches
the lake bottom (In Lake St. Clair anyway) it is beneficial for some fish
but harmful to others... They are still a problem in intake
pipes.......they even clog up the outdrive intakes on my boat.

déjà vu all over again
 

Do you use it in your gas engines or strictly the diesels due to the
experience of the mechanic?

The reason I am asking is most people will keep their diesel engines till
the end of the earth, and they will commonly be rebuilt, so the mechanic can
see if the additive caused any problems.

Gas engines on the other hand are not kept as long, and it is hard to tell
if the additive helped or hurt the engine.

Even with your positive experience, unless I see some scientific studies, I
am going to hope the oil manufactures are providing the best product
available with the best combination of additives. I would think they have
checked out Lucas to see if it improved the performance of their oil.








"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:16:30 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:

Tom,
I can tell from your posts that you are a jack of all trades and have a
strong mechanical background. Why did you start using the additive in the
first place? Did you have a problem or was it prophylactic?

Strictly semi-prophylactic based on the experience of the local Allis
Chalmers/International/tractor du jour dealer's mechanic who is really
one of the best diesel mechanics that ever lived.

déjà vu all over again
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Strictly semi-prophylactic based on the experience of the local Allis
Chalmers/International/tractor du jour dealer's mechanic who is really
one of the best diesel mechanics that ever lived.

Does he work on Fords? It is, after all, an International engine.

Nothing yet from the dealership.

Eisboch

déjà vu all over again
 

Tom,

You have peaked my interest enough that I am going to see what additional
data I can find. I have two kids in college, one at Columbia another
Michigan, so I am looking at a way to keep my two cars, till I pay off these
college loans. I think I should have them paid by 2046.

Thanks for your input.


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:33:45 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:

Do you use it in your gas engines or strictly the diesels due to the
experience of the mechanic?

I use it in my lawn tractor (25 hp Gravely), but I don't use it in my
'70 Corvette. I do use it in my Kawasaki 15 Kw diesel generator, my
truck and the Cub that I still own - I used it in the Super M I
restored with the exception of the gear case only because of the
volume.

The reason I am asking is most people will keep their diesel engines till
the end of the earth, and they will commonly be rebuilt, so the mechanic
can
see if the additive caused any problems.

True.

Gas engines on the other hand are not kept as long, and it is hard to tell
if the additive helped or hurt the engine.

Even with your positive experience, unless I see some scientific studies,
I
am going to hope the oil manufactures are providing the best product
available with the best combination of additives. I would think they have
checked out Lucas to see if it improved the performance of their oil.

I don't want to sound all weirdo meta-physical here, but I believe in
the stuff and it seems to work for me. I've heard stories about
people who aren't as sold and their experiences are different.

As I said to Bassy, I know guys who use Marvel Mystery Oil at 200:1
and have for years - no problems on high mileage engines - swear by
it. I use it in my Corvette at 100:1 for anti-knock. I've been told
it won't work for anti-knock and that is a myth/urban legend. I don't
have a anti-knock problem with the car so explain that.

As strange as this sounds, and strictly in my opinion, if you have
faith in something, it will work. I've been told that my 7.3 diesel
will not give me the kind of mileage I claim - but it does and I can
independently confirm that from a non-impeachable source. I have
faith in my truck.

I'll give you another example. The '92 Ford Escort I bought for
around town got 28.585 mpg the first time I checked the mileage. The
second time it got 27.678 mpg. It has never varied between those two
figures. Ever. I have complete and total faith that it will continue
that way for ever and it will.

The booing and hssing may now commence - go ahead - laugh, I"m a big
guy, I can take it. :)

Later,

Tom

déjà vu all over again
 

If you ever travel up this way to visit your Michigan kid, left me
know....I'll buy you a lunch

"Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote in message
. ..
Tom,

You have peaked my interest enough that I am going to see what additional
data I can find. I have two kids in college, one at Columbia another
Michigan, so I am looking at a way to keep my two cars, till I pay off
these
college loans. I think I should have them paid by 2046.

Thanks for your input.


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:33:45 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:

Do you use it in your gas engines or strictly the diesels due to the
experience of the mechanic?

I use it in my lawn tractor (25 hp Gravely), but I don't use it in my
'70 Corvette. I do use it in my Kawasaki 15 Kw diesel generator, my
truck and the Cub that I still own - I used it in the Super M I
restored with the exception of the gear case only because of the
volume.

The reason I am asking is most people will keep their diesel engines
till
the end of the earth, and they will commonly be rebuilt, so the mechanic
can
see if the additive caused any problems.

True.

Gas engines on the other hand are not kept as long, and it is hard to
tell
if the additive helped or hurt the engine.

Even with your positive experience, unless I see some scientific
studies,
I
am going to hope the oil manufactures are providing the best product
available with the best combination of additives. I would think they
have
checked out Lucas to see if it improved the performance of their oil.

I don't want to sound all weirdo meta-physical here, but I believe in
the stuff and it seems to work for me. I've heard stories about
people who aren't as sold and their experiences are different.

As I said to Bassy, I know guys who use Marvel Mystery Oil at 200:1
and have for years - no problems on high mileage engines - swear by
it. I use it in my Corvette at 100:1 for anti-knock. I've been told
it won't work for anti-knock and that is a myth/urban legend. I don't
have a anti-knock problem with the car so explain that.

As strange as this sounds, and strictly in my opinion, if you have
faith in something, it will work. I've been told that my 7.3 diesel
will not give me the kind of mileage I claim - but it does and I can
independently confirm that from a non-impeachable source. I have
faith in my truck.

I'll give you another example. The '92 Ford Escort I bought for
around town got 28.585 mpg the first time I checked the mileage. The
second time it got 27.678 mpg. It has never varied between those two
figures. Ever. I have complete and total faith that it will continue
that way for ever and it will.

The booing and hssing may now commence - go ahead - laugh, I"m a big
guy, I can take it. :)

Later,

Tom

déjà vu all over again
 

Paul,
Sure thing. I did drive up with a SUV full of crap, it was one hell of a
long trip. She will store the crap in a rental place over the summer. But
my wife likes to find an excuse to go up and see the kids.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
If you ever travel up this way to visit your Michigan kid, left me
know....I'll buy you a lunch

"Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote in message
. ..
Tom,

You have peaked my interest enough that I am going to see what additional
data I can find. I have two kids in college, one at Columbia another
Michigan, so I am looking at a way to keep my two cars, till I pay off
these
college loans. I think I should have them paid by 2046.

Thanks for your input.


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:33:45 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:

Do you use it in your gas engines or strictly the diesels due to the
experience of the mechanic?

I use it in my lawn tractor (25 hp Gravely), but I don't use it in my
'70 Corvette. I do use it in my Kawasaki 15 Kw diesel generator, my
truck and the Cub that I still own - I used it in the Super M I
restored with the exception of the gear case only because of the
volume.

The reason I am asking is most people will keep their diesel engines
till
the end of the earth, and they will commonly be rebuilt, so the
mechanic
can
see if the additive caused any problems.

True.

Gas engines on the other hand are not kept as long, and it is hard to
tell
if the additive helped or hurt the engine.

Even with your positive experience, unless I see some scientific
studies,
I
am going to hope the oil manufactures are providing the best product
available with the best combination of additives. I would think they
have
checked out Lucas to see if it improved the performance of their oil.

I don't want to sound all weirdo meta-physical here, but I believe in
the stuff and it seems to work for me. I've heard stories about
people who aren't as sold and their experiences are different.

As I said to Bassy, I know guys who use Marvel Mystery Oil at 200:1
and have for years - no problems on high mileage engines - swear by
it. I use it in my Corvette at 100:1 for anti-knock. I've been told
it won't work for anti-knock and that is a myth/urban legend. I don't
have a anti-knock problem with the car so explain that.

As strange as this sounds, and strictly in my opinion, if you have
faith in something, it will work. I've been told that my 7.3 diesel
will not give me the kind of mileage I claim - but it does and I can
independently confirm that from a non-impeachable source. I have
faith in my truck.

I'll give you another example. The '92 Ford Escort I bought for
around town got 28.585 mpg the first time I checked the mileage. The
second time it got 27.678 mpg. It has never varied between those two
figures. Ever. I have complete and total faith that it will continue
that way for ever and it will.

The booing and hssing may now commence - go ahead - laugh, I"m a big
guy, I can take it. :)

Later,

Tom

déjà vu all over again
 

If you are up during the summer, we could take a trip down the detroit
river.


I remember when I went off to college, just two suitcases (flew down there)
and one ups box my parents shipped. Four years later I returned with a car
stuffed full, towing a trailer stuffed full. I don't know where all the crap
came from.

I am out in Ann Arbor a lot......most of our work is just south of the
University.


"Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote in message
. ..
Paul,
Sure thing. I did drive up with a SUV full of crap, it was one hell of a
long trip. She will store the crap in a rental place over the summer.
But
my wife likes to find an excuse to go up and see the kids.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
If you ever travel up this way to visit your Michigan kid, left me
know....I'll buy you a lunch

"Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote in message
. ..
Tom,

You have peaked my interest enough that I am going to see what
additional
data I can find. I have two kids in college, one at Columbia another
Michigan, so I am looking at a way to keep my two cars, till I pay off
these
college loans. I think I should have them paid by 2046.

Thanks for your input.


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:33:45 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:

Do you use it in your gas engines or strictly the diesels due to the
experience of the mechanic?

I use it in my lawn tractor (25 hp Gravely), but I don't use it in my
'70 Corvette. I do use it in my Kawasaki 15 Kw diesel generator, my
truck and the Cub that I still own - I used it in the Super M I
restored with the exception of the gear case only because of the
volume.

The reason I am asking is most people will keep their diesel engines
till
the end of the earth, and they will commonly be rebuilt, so the
mechanic
can
see if the additive caused any problems.

True.

Gas engines on the other hand are not kept as long, and it is hard to
tell
if the additive helped or hurt the engine.

Even with your positive experience, unless I see some scientific
studies,
I
am going to hope the oil manufactures are providing the best product
available with the best combination of additives. I would think they
have
checked out Lucas to see if it improved the performance of their oil.

I don't want to sound all weirdo meta-physical here, but I believe in
the stuff and it seems to work for me. I've heard stories about
people who aren't as sold and their experiences are different.

As I said to Bassy, I know guys who use Marvel Mystery Oil at 200:1
and have for years - no problems on high mileage engines - swear by
it. I use it in my Corvette at 100:1 for anti-knock. I've been told
it won't work for anti-knock and that is a myth/urban legend. I
don't
have a anti-knock problem with the car so explain that.

As strange as this sounds, and strictly in my opinion, if you have
faith in something, it will work. I've been told that my 7.3 diesel
will not give me the kind of mileage I claim - but it does and I can
independently confirm that from a non-impeachable source. I have
faith in my truck.

I'll give you another example. The '92 Ford Escort I bought for
around town got 28.585 mpg the first time I checked the mileage. The
second time it got 27.678 mpg. It has never varied between those two
figures. Ever. I have complete and total faith that it will continue
that way for ever and it will.

The booing and hssing may now commence - go ahead - laugh, I"m a big
guy, I can take it. :)

Later,

Tom

déjà vu all over again
 

"Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote in message
. ..
Tom,

You have peaked my interest enough that I am going to see what additional
data I can find. I have two kids in college, one at Columbia another
Michigan, so I am looking at a way to keep my two cars, till I pay off
these
college loans. I think I should have them paid by 2046.

Thanks for your input.



Please tell me it is not that dreaded school in Ann Arbor........you know,
the one with the silly looking football helmets.

déjà vu all over again
 

We looked at UVA, and I thought it was a good school in a great location.
My kids had very specific criteria for what they were looking for, and they
knew it as soon as we would drive on campus.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Tom,

You have peaked my interest enough that I am going to see what additional
data I can find. I have two kids in college, one at Columbia another
Michigan, so I am looking at a way to keep my two cars, till I pay off
these
college loans. I think I should have them paid by 2046.

Thanks for your input.


I have a second cousin by former marriage (I think that is the
relationship) who lives in Michigan, got accepted to Michigan and for
reasons neither he nor anyone else can explain wants to go to UVa. Now,
Charlottesville is a lovely little city, really, but I'd pick Michigan for
academics over UVa. But the girls at UVa, they are something to behold. If
you can.