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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:04:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:17:53 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:12:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:24:46 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:


What's the most common vehicle?

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Dodge Caravans are right up there with the best (worst).

Tranny problems most likely based on our experience.

I swear to you, I was going to say Dodge/Plymouth, but not the model.

Their engine blocks & pistons are machines to +/- 1/2 inch. Nice &
tight.


LOL!!

Is that why my 3.0 liter V6 only puts out 142 hp yet seems a bit hard on
gas?

Bingo! Drive it into the ocean. It'll make great fish structure.

Can't do that - the enviro's will go berserk because you are
disturbing the natural habitat.

OK....flip it upside down over a large drop cloth, drain out all the fluids
and cigar butts blah blah blah.....is all this stuff worse than the zebra
mussels delivered here by some Russian tanker?

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:55:39 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:27:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Yeah, but foaming oil *is* one of the reasons why you're not supposed to
overfill, at least with certain types of engines. I wonder why this is a
concern.

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Foam is mostly air, and air doesn't lubricate all that well.

That is true, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to stir up a heavy
oil and turn it into milk shakes. On my old Super M with the torque
amplifier, the oil in the gear case would turn tan after shifting the
PTO out of high speed cutting to low speed bailing. I never used an
additive in that and it still did it.

I'm just suspicious of the whole test - it didn't seem very controlled
and appeared to be designed to prove a point rather than be a true
experiment on viscosity.

I think we should get together and do the test with two large stainless
steel mixing bowls and a couple of whisks. Regardless of the results, we
should pour the oil all over JohnH, drop him into the Potomac, and dial the
guvmint's oil spill emergency number. I gotta go see if the cat's frozen to
death yet. I'll be right back.

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Around 12/13/2005 3:20 AM, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:55:55 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't have a heavy foot and rarely "tromp on it".


My kids won't drive with me because I take my time getting where I
need to go. I have a '92 Escort that I bought for gas price reasons
for just around town and I don't think that car has EVER gone over 50
mph - I literally bought it from the proverbial little old lady who
only drove it to the grocery store and church. :)

Be very, very wary of a car only driven by the proverbial little old
lady to the grocery store and church...



My '83 V6 Mustang was just such a car (it was my grandma's): it saw the
high side of 30 MPH maybe once in a blue moon for the first 50,000 miles
and 13 years of it's life, and, other than regular oil changes, I'm
fairly certain routine maintenance was only performed if something major
broke. Not surprisingly, that didn't happen often.

When I got the Mustang, it wouldn't idle properly and got maybe 12 MPG,
and only made it to freeway speeds with severe initial trepidation.
After a carb rebuild and thorough tuneup, it ran great and saw an
all-time high of 21 MPG @ 65 MPH before settling down to a consistent
17-19 MPG in mixed conditions.

Now, almost 10 years later and with an additional 70,000 virtually
trouble free miles, it's starting to get a little tired (noisy valves,
leaking oil seals) ahead of it's time, all because it was driven by the
proverbial little old lady early in it's life.



Ah well, no reason to mourn my poor little Mustang: At some undefined
point it'll be getting either a 5.0 or a 5.8 conversion. :)

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

déjà vu all over again
 

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:28:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Regardless of the results, we
should pour the oil all over JohnH, drop him into the Potomac, and dial the
guvmint's oil spill emergency number.

=================================

Why stop with John? I'm sure we could find some other worthy
candidates.

Putting all the half baked conspiracy theories aside, if additives are
such a good thing, why aren't the major producers already adding them?
They are already using the additives that research has shown to either
be helpful or are necessary. They have vast resources for development
and testing, and would do just about anything to get a leg up on the
competition.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Always liked that nice minty smell of
Marvel Mystery Oil however, and my old Atomic 4 seemed to do OK being
winterized with it.

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:16:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

.is all this stuff worse than the zebra
mussels delivered here by some Russian tanker?

====================================

Zebra mussels are given credit in some circles for having cleaned up
Lake Ontario.

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"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
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Around 12/13/2005 3:20 AM, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:55:55 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't have a heavy foot and rarely "tromp on it".


My kids won't drive with me because I take my time getting where I
need to go. I have a '92 Escort that I bought for gas price reasons
for just around town and I don't think that car has EVER gone over 50
mph - I literally bought it from the proverbial little old lady who
only drove it to the grocery store and church. :)

Be very, very wary of a car only driven by the proverbial little old
lady to the grocery store and church...



My '83 V6 Mustang was just such a car (it was my grandma's): it saw the
high side of 30 MPH maybe once in a blue moon for the first 50,000 miles
and 13 years of it's life, and, other than regular oil changes, I'm
fairly certain routine maintenance was only performed if something major
broke. Not surprisingly, that didn't happen often.

When I got the Mustang, it wouldn't idle properly and got maybe 12 MPG,
and only made it to freeway speeds with severe initial trepidation.
After a carb rebuild and thorough tuneup, it ran great and saw an
all-time high of 21 MPG @ 65 MPH before settling down to a consistent
17-19 MPG in mixed conditions.

Now, almost 10 years later and with an additional 70,000 virtually
trouble free miles, it's starting to get a little tired (noisy valves,
leaking oil seals) ahead of it's time, all because it was driven by the
proverbial little old lady early in it's life.



Ah well, no reason to mourn my poor little Mustang: At some undefined
point it'll be getting either a 5.0 or a 5.8 conversion. :)

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Worse worn engine I ever got involved with was an old 51 Ford Flathead. Was
driven by an old Italian in Oakand, and I think it never went more than 3
miles in a single trip. 48k miles back in about 1971. Friends kid hit the
car and they bought it off the guy. Engine had at least an 3/16" wear ring
at the top of the cylinders.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:16:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

.is all this stuff worse than the zebra
mussels delivered here by some Russian tanker?

====================================

Zebra mussels are given credit in some circles for having cleaned up
Lake Ontario.


Actually, DEC biologists are beginning to find them in the stomachs of
smallmouth bass and lake trout. These fish have discovered a new snack.

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:22:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, DEC biologists are beginning to find them in the stomachs of
smallmouth bass and lake trout. These fish have discovered a new snack.

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Probably very tasty sauted in a nice garlic butter sauce.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:22:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, DEC biologists are beginning to find them in the stomachs of
smallmouth bass and lake trout. These fish have discovered a new snack.

=================================

Probably very tasty sauted in a nice garlic butter sauce.



There's no such thing as too much garlic on food.



The kids prepared a birthday dinner for my wife last night consisting of
shrimp sautéed in a heavy garlic butter sauce and served over linguini. The
final touch was a nice sprinkling of freshly grated parmesan. It was
delicious and restaurant quality.

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Tom,
I can tell from your posts that you are a jack of all trades and have a
strong mechanical background. Why did you start using the additive in the
first place? Did you have a problem or was it prophylactic?


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:18:57 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:28:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Regardless of the results, we
should pour the oil all over JohnH, drop him into the Potomac, and dial
the
guvmint's oil spill emergency number.

=================================

Why stop with John? I'm sure we could find some other worthy
candidates.

Putting all the half baked conspiracy theories aside, if additives are
such a good thing, why aren't the major producers already adding them?
They are already using the additives that research has shown to either
be helpful or are necessary. They have vast resources for development
and testing, and would do just about anything to get a leg up on the
competition.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Always liked that nice minty smell of
Marvel Mystery Oil however, and my old Atomic 4 seemed to do OK being
winterized with it.

I understand your viewpoint and in some ways agree with you. However,
I've used it since day one, it hasn't hurt and based on discussions
here and other venues, it seems to help me, so my net experience is
positive, not negative.

As to the test, I think it was poorly designed and proved nothing.