On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:14:37 -0500, KMAN wrote:

snip

What are you talking about now, you blithering idiot?

Like I said, enjoy your NYE party! OvO

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:19:46 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:25 AM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:17:47 -0500, KMAN wrote:


snip

No, basically I don't care who you convort with, just don't kayak
without a PFD and drown

That did not seem to be your position, as you kept making weird references
about their ages and some other cryptic comments about how whatever they
were doing together somehow might have contributed to their deaths.

and then get written up in the local rag! If
you do that, then it becomes obligatory for this NG to discuss your
stupid decisions that led up to your demise! Otherwise enjoy your
trip! OvO

This is amazing. You have gone full blown delusional! You are the only one
on this newsgroup I can recall that did any such speculating about these two
people.

What the two were doing, why they were doing it, is not a concern to
me in the context of this discussion, except how it affected their
decision making ability. They made some stupid decisions, and the
question was ask "Why?", and I suggested that certain elements were in
place that often times leads to bad decisions. Richard was smart
enough to figure out from my enuendo exactly what I was suggesting.

This is one of the oldest pitfalls of mankind, and classically
described in the story of King David and Bathsheba. The Christian
faith is a faith that deals with the reality of the nature of man! I
do not stick my head in the sand, or run around with pink colored
glasses on.

If you cannot figure out what I am saying, I would suggest that there
is too much lead in your diet. You may try to cut back on the lead,
and in the meantime, have a nice trip!

I hang around this NG to pick up constructive ideas and info on the
sport of recreational paddling of kayaks and canoes, this particular
thread has developed to be as recently described as a "****ing
contest", and has nothing to do with my stated interest, so I am going
to move on as well. If in the future you desire to have an on topic
discussion, I will be glad to hear from you. RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

in article , John Fereira at
wrote on 12/10/05 2:13 PM:

KMAN wrote in
:



What are you talking about now, you blithering idiot?

I doubt that anyone but you really cares and I would conjecture that pretty
much everyone else reading through would prefer that you take you're little
****ing match to email.

I'm sure they'll just be big boys and girls and keep out of the splash zone.

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:27 PM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:19:46 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:25 AM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:17:47 -0500, KMAN wrote:


snip

No, basically I don't care who you convort with, just don't kayak
without a PFD and drown

That did not seem to be your position, as you kept making weird references
about their ages and some other cryptic comments about how whatever they
were doing together somehow might have contributed to their deaths.

and then get written up in the local rag! If
you do that, then it becomes obligatory for this NG to discuss your
stupid decisions that led up to your demise! Otherwise enjoy your
trip! OvO

This is amazing. You have gone full blown delusional! You are the only one
on this newsgroup I can recall that did any such speculating about these two
people.

What the two were doing, why they were doing it, is not a concern to
me in the context of this discussion, except how it affected their
decision making ability. They made some stupid decisions, and the
question was ask "Why?", and I suggested that certain elements were in
place that often times leads to bad decisions.

What elements? And why do you think they had anything to do with what
happened?

Richard was smart
enough to figure out from my enuendo exactly what I was suggesting.

This is one of the oldest pitfalls of mankind, and classically
described in the story of King David and Bathsheba. The Christian
faith is a faith that deals with the reality of the nature of man! I
do not stick my head in the sand, or run around with pink colored
glasses on.

You stick your head right up your ass, most of the time. That would explain
your muddled thinking, and your even more muddled explanation of your
comments about this tragic event.

If you cannot figure out what I am saying, I would suggest that there
is too much lead in your diet. You may try to cut back on the lead,
and in the meantime, have a nice trip!

Why make a comment if you are unprepared or unwilling to explain it beyond
innuendo? Why is it a secret?

I hang around this NG to pick up constructive ideas and info on the
sport of recreational paddling of kayaks and canoes, this particular
thread has developed to be as recently described as a "****ing
contest", and has nothing to do with my stated interest, so I am going
to move on as well. If in the future you desire to have an on topic
discussion, I will be glad to hear from you. RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Discussing a tragedy in which two kayakers accompanied by a guide were out
on the ocean without PFDs is relevant.

But you turned it into some sort of soap opera with vague comments about two
people you know nothing about, and then refused to explain them.

You are getting into full blown delusion mode again.

Get well soon.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:49:26 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:27 PM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:19:46 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:25 AM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:17:47 -0500, KMAN wrote:


snip

No, basically I don't care who you convort with, just don't kayak
without a PFD and drown

That did not seem to be your position, as you kept making weird references
about their ages and some other cryptic comments about how whatever they
were doing together somehow might have contributed to their deaths.

and then get written up in the local rag! If
you do that, then it becomes obligatory for this NG to discuss your
stupid decisions that led up to your demise! Otherwise enjoy your
trip! OvO

This is amazing. You have gone full blown delusional! You are the only one
on this newsgroup I can recall that did any such speculating about these two
people.

What the two were doing, why they were doing it, is not a concern to
me in the context of this discussion, except how it affected their
decision making ability. They made some stupid decisions, and the
question was ask "Why?", and I suggested that certain elements were in
place that often times leads to bad decisions.

What elements? And why do you think they had anything to do with what
happened?

Richard was smart
enough to figure out from my enuendo exactly what I was suggesting.

This is one of the oldest pitfalls of mankind, and classically
described in the story of King David and Bathsheba. The Christian
faith is a faith that deals with the reality of the nature of man! I
do not stick my head in the sand, or run around with pink colored
glasses on.

You stick your head right up your ass, most of the time. That would explain
your muddled thinking, and your even more muddled explanation of your
comments about this tragic event.

If you cannot figure out what I am saying, I would suggest that there
is too much lead in your diet. You may try to cut back on the lead,
and in the meantime, have a nice trip!

Why make a comment if you are unprepared or unwilling to explain it beyond
innuendo? Why is it a secret?

I hang around this NG to pick up constructive ideas and info on the
sport of recreational paddling of kayaks and canoes, this particular
thread has developed to be as recently described as a "****ing
contest", and has nothing to do with my stated interest, so I am going
to move on as well. If in the future you desire to have an on topic
discussion, I will be glad to hear from you. RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Discussing a tragedy in which two kayakers accompanied by a guide were out
on the ocean without PFDs is relevant.

But you turned it into some sort of soap opera with vague comments about two
people you know nothing about, and then refused to explain them.

You are getting into full blown delusion mode again.

Get well soon.

"Yes, I'm sure that you find reality boring, which is why you descend
so often into what you call "satire", and what everyone else calls,
"K-man's self-indulgent, and predictably boring, commentaries.""

The above quote by some of Kman's other friend on the OTT.general who
apparently have also had to deal with his insightful commentaries! His
****ing dance on this NG is his signature presense! Sort of like a dog
marking what he thinks is his alpha territory!

John F., I apologize to you and all the other serious paddlers here on
RBP, for allowing this thread to continue so long, thinking that I
could communicate with Kman. I have wearied of his foolishness, and
after this comment will move on. I hope that my input in the future
will be more constructively directed, and I will look forward to your
helpful insight and experience. I have tried to move on from last
years posting, and I present myself now, as RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:45:45 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , John Fereira at
wrote on 12/10/05 2:13 PM:

KMAN wrote in
:



What are you talking about now, you blithering idiot?

I doubt that anyone but you really cares and I would conjecture that pretty
much everyone else reading through would prefer that you take you're little
****ing match to email.

I'm sure they'll just be big boys and girls and keep out of the splash zone.



Apparently other NGs have also wearied of his input.

Cyber-identities like Kman,"secretly know that their presentation
sucks, so the presenter tries to subconsciously make up for it with a
spiffy slide show. It just goes to prove the stage adage that a big
smile and jazz hands can make up for bad dancing." Check out his slide
show at:

http://www.wellar.ca/gokayaking/

The above quote by some of Kman's other friend on the OTT.general who
apparently have also had to deal with his insightful commentaries! His
****ing dance on this NG is his signature presense! Sort of like a dog
marking what he thinks is his alpha territory!

John F., I apologize to you and all the other serious paddlers here on
RBP, for allowing this thread to continue so long, thinking that I
could communicate with Kman. I have wearied of his foolishness, and
after this comment will move on. I hope that my input in the future
will be more constructively directed, and I will look forward to your
helpful insight and experience. I have tried to move on from last
years posting, and I present myself now, as RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/11/05 4:40 AM:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:49:26 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:27 PM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:19:46 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/10/05 3:25 AM:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:17:47 -0500, KMAN wrote:


snip

No, basically I don't care who you convort with, just don't kayak
without a PFD and drown

That did not seem to be your position, as you kept making weird references
about their ages and some other cryptic comments about how whatever they
were doing together somehow might have contributed to their deaths.

and then get written up in the local rag! If
you do that, then it becomes obligatory for this NG to discuss your
stupid decisions that led up to your demise! Otherwise enjoy your
trip! OvO

This is amazing. You have gone full blown delusional! You are the only one
on this newsgroup I can recall that did any such speculating about these
two
people.

What the two were doing, why they were doing it, is not a concern to
me in the context of this discussion, except how it affected their
decision making ability. They made some stupid decisions, and the
question was ask "Why?", and I suggested that certain elements were in
place that often times leads to bad decisions.

What elements? And why do you think they had anything to do with what
happened?

Richard was smart
enough to figure out from my enuendo exactly what I was suggesting.

This is one of the oldest pitfalls of mankind, and classically
described in the story of King David and Bathsheba. The Christian
faith is a faith that deals with the reality of the nature of man! I
do not stick my head in the sand, or run around with pink colored
glasses on.

You stick your head right up your ass, most of the time. That would explain
your muddled thinking, and your even more muddled explanation of your
comments about this tragic event.

If you cannot figure out what I am saying, I would suggest that there
is too much lead in your diet. You may try to cut back on the lead,
and in the meantime, have a nice trip!

Why make a comment if you are unprepared or unwilling to explain it beyond
innuendo? Why is it a secret?

I hang around this NG to pick up constructive ideas and info on the
sport of recreational paddling of kayaks and canoes, this particular
thread has developed to be as recently described as a "****ing
contest", and has nothing to do with my stated interest, so I am going
to move on as well. If in the future you desire to have an on topic
discussion, I will be glad to hear from you. RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Discussing a tragedy in which two kayakers accompanied by a guide were out
on the ocean without PFDs is relevant.

But you turned it into some sort of soap opera with vague comments about two
people you know nothing about, and then refused to explain them.

You are getting into full blown delusion mode again.

Get well soon.

"Yes, I'm sure that you find reality boring, which is why you descend
so often into what you call "satire", and what everyone else calls,
"K-man's self-indulgent, and predictably boring, commentaries.""

Whaqt are you blathering about now? Why is it impossible for you to address
the questions posed to you above?

Here they are again:

#1

What the two were doing, why they were doing it, is not a concern to
me in the context of this discussion, except how it affected their
decision making ability. They made some stupid decisions, and the
question was ask "Why?", and I suggested that certain elements were in
place that often times leads to bad decisions.

What elements? And why do you think they had anything to do with what
happened?

#2

If you cannot figure out what I am saying, I would suggest that there
is too much lead in your diet. You may try to cut back on the lead,
and in the meantime, have a nice trip!

Why make a comment if you are unprepared or unwilling to explain it beyond
innuendo? Why is it a secret?

The above quote by some of Kman's other friend on the OTT.general who
apparently have also had to deal with his insightful commentaries! His
****ing dance on this NG is his signature presense! Sort of like a dog
marking what he thinks is his alpha territory!

You made comments here, in rec.boats.paddle, about two people who died while
kayaking. You are unwilling to hold yourself accountable for explaining
those comments, which makes you a scumbag. Whether or not I am Hitler or the
Devil himself, that won't absolve you or your demonstrated dishonesty and
related moral and ethical deficiences/

John F., I apologize to you and all the other serious paddlers here on
RBP, for allowing this thread to continue so long, thinking that I
could communicate with Kman.

What's actually happened is you have quite deliberately refused to explain
your comments about the two paddlers who have died.

I have wearied of his foolishness, and
after this comment will move on.

You don't want to be held accountable for your statements and you are
looking for excuses to run away.

I hope that my input in the future
will be more constructively directed

That's very unlikely, given your enormous moral and ethical void.

and I will look forward to your
helpful insight and experience. I have tried to move on from last
years posting, and I present myself now, as RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Ah, starting fresh as of this moment to be honest and accountable for your
own comments? We'll see!

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/11/05 4:42 AM:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:45:45 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , John Fereira at
wrote on 12/10/05 2:13 PM:

KMAN wrote in
:



What are you talking about now, you blithering idiot?

I doubt that anyone but you really cares and I would conjecture that pretty
much everyone else reading through would prefer that you take you're little
****ing match to email.

I'm sure they'll just be big boys and girls and keep out of the splash zone.

Apparently other NGs have also wearied of his input.

LOL! Your promise to move on fell a little short! You lasted exactly two
minutes! What a fool.

And then, having humiliated yourself again on rec.boats.paddle, you go
cyberstalking, trying in vain to dig yourself out with dishonest
interpretations of information in other groups that you can't even
understand!

Cyber-identities like Kman,"secretly know that their presentation
sucks, so the presenter tries to subconsciously make up for it with a
spiffy slide show. It just goes to prove the stage adage that a big
smile and jazz hands can make up for bad dancing." Check out his slide
show at:

http://www.wellar.ca/gokayaking/

There's no post like that on ott.general you lying idiot. If you are going
to try to smear someone, you at least need to reference it. You are even
more of a dishonest scumbag than I first thought!

Here is the actual post, from my buddy Olaf. To preface the quote, one must
of course be aware that at one time I participated in a thread about what
makes a good powerpoint presentation, and that I was highly critical of
powerpoint shows where the information on the screen mirrors the written
information provided to the audience. Now, here is the actual quote (the
post in its entirety) not the scumbag version posted by Tinkernhootowl:

===

in article , Olaf Timandahaff at
wrote on 12/10/05 10:55 PM:

Here's one for Kman,,,,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Presentation softwa the harbinger of a useless business meeting

Show me a PowerPoint presentation and I'll show you a useless company
meeting. Electronic slide shows attempt to distract a bored audience
where the meat of a presentation would ordinarily entertain them. No
meat? Give them more sounds, animations, and transition effects. In the
old days, speakers used to keep their notes to themselves; now, for some
reason, they want to show them to the audience with fancy graphics. It's
as though they secretly know that their presentation sucks, so the
presenter tries to subconsciously make up for it with a spiffy slide
show. It just goes to prove the stage adage that a big smile and jazz
hands can make up for bad dancing.

The uselessness of a meeting is directly proportional to the complexity
of the PowerPoint presentation. If you want to quote me on that in the
future, mark it down as Jem's Law.

Jem Matson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/186/44/

===

And here is my reply to Olaf:

===

in article , KMAN at
wrote on 12/11/05 1:44 AM:

Damn, now everyone knows I am Jem Matson! LOL.

Beautifully said.

I still can't get over how often this happens: the presenter hands out
printed papers stapled neatly in the corner or perhaps in a nice little
binder, and then proceeds to project the exact same information onto a
screen and force you to listen to him/her read it off the screen. Having
received the handout in the usual minutes of goofing around before the
"presentation" begins, I've already read it from cover to cover before the
first slide is shown. There is now nothing to do but wait as painful boring
slide after painful boring slide passes by, eating up time that could have
been used to take advantage of whatever expertise or experience it is the
presenter is supposed to possess. Horrible! Just horrible!

===

The above quote by some of Kman's other friend on the OTT.general who
apparently have also had to deal with his insightful commentaries!

Yes, you stupid idiot, it's by Olaf, who posted a quote for me from Jem
Matson, because he knew I would like it. Because it supports my own opinion
about powerpoint presentations.

His
****ing dance on this NG is his signature presense! Sort of like a dog
marking what he thinks is his alpha territory!

Or, you simply can't understand what is going on, because you suffer from
some bizarre form of paranoid delusions, which are so serious that you spend
time searching through usenet trying to make yourself feel better by
misinterpreting threads that I am involved in. Pathetic!

John F., I apologize to you and all the other serious paddlers here on
RBP, for allowing this thread to continue so long, thinking that I
could communicate with Kman. I have wearied of his foolishness, and
after this comment will move on.

You said that last time, idiot.

I hope that my input in the future
will be more constructively directed

There's no reason to believe that this will happen, but good luck!

and I will look forward to your
helpful insight and experience. I have tried to move on from last
years posting, and I present myself now, as RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

So you are starting fresh....again!

Get well soon.

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:50:37 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:20:52 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
. ..
snip

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

You're correct, this is not Richard's email account! It is more like
a conversation. In a conversation only rude immature individuals butt
into a discussion between two other individuals to interject their
brain farts, when a statement has been made directly between the two
individuals trying to have a serious conversation! The statements were
not directed at you! So sit down and listen, you might learn
something! OvO

Dood:

a) newsgroups are NOT like a PRIVATE conversation; they are more like a
coctail party, a gathering of people with some common interest or
association. As such it is entirely appropriate for anyone to wander
up to a conversation group (thread) listen for as long or as briefly as
he wishes, and then to offer his views on the topic of discussion. It
is probably not a wise and intelligent idea for you to lecture people
on the nature of newsgroups when you don't understand the nature of
newsgroup. Pontificating from ignorance makes you look... well...
really STOOpid.

b) if what you are saying were so, it should be ME you are chastising,
since it was actually I who wandered into a discussion thread between
you and KMAN.

c) gee-Zeus, it is actually KMAN who is trying to have a serious
conversation with YOU (a serious conversation you keep avoiding). I am
the one interjecting random brain farts, for Pete's sake.

It's just that he is such an optimist, with such faith in the essential
goodness of mankind, that he persists in trying to get you to respond
politely; to engage in civilized discourse. I know better, I know I'll
never get a straightforward, honest and well-intentioned answer out of
you, so I just pop into the "conversation" occasionally, toss in my
slander, and leave.

-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:51:51 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'll get back to you when you improve yer reading comprehension skills
to the point where yer response actually addresses my remarks.

'Til then, attempting to communicate with you is just a waste of my
time, so I'm outta here.

This is Tinkernhootowl we're talking about. You were expecting something
logical and intelligent? LOL!

snip

And Kman cuddles up nice and close to Richard, Cute couple! I wonder
if Richard saw this coming! Maybe they will go on the trip together?


You mean, me with my "attributes" and KMAN with his "attributes"?
Gee-Zeus, I can just imagine the innuendo you would post if you learned
that I ever actually went boating with KMAN!

Actually, I have boated with a number of people whom I first met on
r.b.p over the last 10 or 12 years. Of current r.b.p participants I
have met John Fereirra in New York and C1man in Missoula, and I have
boated with McCrae (from MD), ven den Bergh (from Holland), Cable (from
KY), Kelly (from MO), Mothra (currently in CA), CintiBud (from OH), and
probably others I'm forgetting, although most of the old-timers like
the RivieraRatt (OH), Leland Davis (NC), Chris Hipgrave (NC), a smart
and entertaining lesbian whose name I'll keep to myself (MA), and Chris
Bell (NC) (all of whom I've met and/or boated with) were driven out of
r.b.p by a couple of idiots who were even more pathological than you.
KMAN could conceivably become one of my boating companions IRL. I am
planning a boating trip to CO, WY, and MT next summer (I haven't boated
the Rockies since the summer of 2000) but I can guarantee you that YOU
will not be one of the r.b.p correspondents whom I will ever attempt to
meet or to boat with.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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