In thses discussions one should consider the source and qualifications of
those contributing.

AFAIK Karen (AKA The K of Oz) has never seen, touched, smelled, nor operated
a FICHT or E-Tec engine. Her only KNOWLEDGE of the engines is what she has
read and she seems unable to separate the wheat from the chaff of what she
has read.

I own a 1999 FICHT. I operate it year round in salt water and brackish
water. It has served me for six and a half years with no issues whatsoever.
As a PM exercise I've had the plugs replaced once. I generally operate at
3500 RPM but run at WOT for several minutes during each outing. I do not
troll. I operate at idle for short periods when launching/retrieving or
positioning the boat over a reef or hole.

Last year I had some starting issues with my then five year old batteries.
I replaced them with Optimas and normal starting resumed immediately.

Should I have to replace my FICHT due to theft or accident the most likely
replacement will be an E-Tec. I don't rule out a four stroke but weight is
an important issue for me.

In my boating area, central Gulf of Mexico coast, boats with FICHTs seem not
to suffer any devaluation.

IMO, the person with the most exrensive knowledge of FICHTs on this group is
Bill Grannis. Google him and draw your own conclusions. OTOH, IMO the K of
Oz is a notorious liar and fraud. YMMV.

Butch
"K. Smith" wrote in message ...
wrote:
Thats a dent in the track record

I havent been able to find much about the Etec online .... Would you
mind letting me know where to look for to gather more info?

Of course the guy talking about the comparison with his TDI doesnt make
any sense, the low temp issue doesnt look too serious but the Kabooms
are concerning ..

Are those little pains of a new product or a fundamental issue?

IF the Etec works it looks like THE motor for me ... light, quiet,
powerful, no maintenance ... What more can the boaters heart desire?
(Except no kabooms of course ..)

Matt


The "Kabooms" are a risk with any engine run lean at power & the risk is
aggravated if the injection pressure (therefore atomisation) is low.

Even at it's worst I guess there were 4 in 5 Ficht owners happy?? well
except their boats had become worthless:-) However a 1 in 5 risk is way
too high given they cost as much as a medium sized car. A 1 in 500 risk is
still too high for a consumer marketed OB engine.

As for the E-Tecs, all I can say is that when the Fichts were dying it was
exactly & I do mean exactly the same as right now; the reports were coming
in yet scared owners wouldn't/couldn't believe it & brain dead liars like
Krause even joined the dealers in fabricating stories to support the
marketing of failing engines.

Right up to about 2 weeks before OMC officially went under the dealers
were still here spruiking their BS about them, attacking anyone who was
trying to warn people of the dangers & essentially just telling lies.

The reason the dealers were so excited about selling defective engines
came out at the OMC bankruptcy hearings when it was finally
revealed/confirmed that the dealers were getting over 30% markup (total of
kickbacks & rebates) to sell sell sell known defective Ficht

Of course like all cowardly dealer liars they just went away after OMC
rolled over despite people all but begging for help or even the most basic
of info in this NG, the very same scum that had induced people to buy
their defective engines in the first place.

They're not worth the risk & if anyone who has had 1 in 3 fail says
otherwise ask yourself why they would be so silly as to take that risk
again & at full tilt no less:-) More money than brains?? yes obviously,
but at this rate pretty soon they'll have no money nor brains.


K

So, only Tom is running an ETec? C'mon folks there must be more out
there ...

Butch Davis wrote:
In thses discussions one should consider the source and qualifications of
those contributing.

AFAIK Karen (AKA The K of Oz) has never seen, touched, smelled, nor operated
a FICHT or E-Tec engine. Her only KNOWLEDGE of the engines is what she has
read and she seems unable to separate the wheat from the chaff of what she
has read.

I own a 1999 FICHT. I operate it year round in salt water and brackish
water. It has served me for six and a half years with no issues whatsoever.
As a PM exercise I've had the plugs replaced once. I generally operate at
3500 RPM but run at WOT for several minutes during each outing. I do not
troll. I operate at idle for short periods when launching/retrieving or
positioning the boat over a reef or hole.

Last year I had some starting issues with my then five year old batteries.
I replaced them with Optimas and normal starting resumed immediately.

Should I have to replace my FICHT due to theft or accident the most likely
replacement will be an E-Tec. I don't rule out a four stroke but weight is
an important issue for me.

In my boating area, central Gulf of Mexico coast, boats with FICHTs seem not
to suffer any devaluation.

IMO, the person with the most exrensive knowledge of FICHTs on this group is
Bill Grannis. Google him and draw your own conclusions. OTOH, IMO the K of
Oz is a notorious liar and fraud. YMMV.

Butch


Thanks for that Butch, unfortunately your mate Bill ran away with all
the other Ficht spriukers when OMC fell over under the weight of failed
Fichts.

It pretty much beggars belief how you can even still pretend they're
good engines, but if it's helps your pride go for it.

As for the liar's comments about prop pitch it's just more him wearing
his lack of education like a crown, a pitch box is the normal way to
measure prop pitch & what I decribed was a simple way to do it your self
if you didn't want to go to the trouble of building one.

Seeing we cast our own props I'd suggest I'm well able to comment on how
the pitch is determined.

K



"K. Smith" wrote in message ...

wrote:

Thats a dent in the track record

I havent been able to find much about the Etec online .... Would you
mind letting me know where to look for to gather more info?

Of course the guy talking about the comparison with his TDI doesnt make
any sense, the low temp issue doesnt look too serious but the Kabooms
are concerning ..

Are those little pains of a new product or a fundamental issue?

IF the Etec works it looks like THE motor for me ... light, quiet,
powerful, no maintenance ... What more can the boaters heart desire?
(Except no kabooms of course ..)

Matt


The "Kabooms" are a risk with any engine run lean at power & the risk is
aggravated if the injection pressure (therefore atomisation) is low.

Even at it's worst I guess there were 4 in 5 Ficht owners happy?? well
except their boats had become worthless:-) However a 1 in 5 risk is way
too high given they cost as much as a medium sized car. A 1 in 500 risk is
still too high for a consumer marketed OB engine.

As for the E-Tecs, all I can say is that when the Fichts were dying it was
exactly & I do mean exactly the same as right now; the reports were coming
in yet scared owners wouldn't/couldn't believe it & brain dead liars like
Krause even joined the dealers in fabricating stories to support the
marketing of failing engines.

Right up to about 2 weeks before OMC officially went under the dealers
were still here spruiking their BS about them, attacking anyone who was
trying to warn people of the dangers & essentially just telling lies.

The reason the dealers were so excited about selling defective engines
came out at the OMC bankruptcy hearings when it was finally
revealed/confirmed that the dealers were getting over 30% markup (total of
kickbacks & rebates) to sell sell sell known defective Ficht

Of course like all cowardly dealer liars they just went away after OMC
rolled over despite people all but begging for help or even the most basic
of info in this NG, the very same scum that had induced people to buy
their defective engines in the first place.

They're not worth the risk & if anyone who has had 1 in 3 fail says
otherwise ask yourself why they would be so silly as to take that risk
again & at full tilt no less:-) More money than brains?? yes obviously,
but at this rate pretty soon they'll have no money nor brains.


K

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
K

The only thing you cast is demons.

Harry,
This lack the creativity and wit of yesterday's insult to the gang of 7. I
thought you might be back to your old self. I guess not.

All Folks!

Please lets not get carried away here .... I am interested in the ETec
and if I buy a 150 HP Etec, which I beleive will be released in spring
(Fieldtest 'r us) how big is the risk it will Kaboom?

Lets also not discuss FICHT. One of those wont get near me ... ETec
is quiet different though ...

Karen does have a point!

So lets talk Etec

Matt

wrote in message
oups.com...
All Folks!

Please lets not get carried away here .... I am interested in the ETec
and if I buy a 150 HP Etec, which I beleive will be released in spring
(Fieldtest 'r us) how big is the risk it will Kaboom?



This website has a lot of factual information on E-TEC and is more technical
than the stuff on www.evinrude.com

http://www.e-tecinfonet.org/

The E-TECs are now in their 3rd year of production and doing very well.
There is no reason to assume that the 150 series would be a problem.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Matt....I was just searching thru google,and came upon this thread....I know
2 people,friends,who have been running e-tecs......I have heard very good
things about them.....So,I repowered this past summer(05),with a pair of
e-tec 250's(On a 2950 Proline)......I have about 100 hrs on them,in all
types of different running (trolling,cruising etc.)I love these
engines....they are smooth,and extremely quiet.....the only problem,was the
plugs fouled when it got cold(NE region,fall fishing)...in the colder
weather,the xd100 oil should be used .....in the manual it says it should be
set up for that oil in this region....I would highly recommend them....also
,my fuel consumption has increased dramatically....(95 Ocean
Runners,carbs)...I burn about 30%,less fuel,....and that is when I am
running it pretty to my floscan,.my mileage
would be better if I backed off a little........They have allot of
torque.....I was not a believer at first,and I guess time will really
tell.......if anyone needs any info,or any questions,please e-mail
me.......jeff


wrote in message
ups.com...
So, only Tom is running an ETec? C'mon folks there must be more out
there ...

wrote in message
...
So,I repowered this past summer(05),with a pair of e-tec 250's(On a 2950
Proline)......I have about 100 hrs on them,in all types of different
running (trolling,cruising etc.)I love these engines....they are
smooth,and extremely quiet.....the only problem,was the plugs fouled when
it got cold(NE region,fall fishing


It sounds like the thermostats are fouled or "out of spec" by not allowing
the motor to warm up to its designed operating temperature. There is also a
pressure relief valve that could be leaking or bypassing water internally
that will also give the same symptoms. See your authorized dealer, there is
a service bulletin that describes how to check the cooling system to make
sure the motor is operating correctly.

Bill Grannis
service manager

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shortwave Sportfishing"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: E-Tec - Whats your experience?

while you are here bill and in your experience, have you run into
fouling problems with using other than xd100. there are some rumors
running around up here that you have to run xd100 or the plugs will
foul.


I haven't seen any plug fouling with the E-TECs using XD-100 synthetic,
XD-50 semi-synthetic, or ordinary TC-W3 oils. E-TECs are now in their 3rd
year of production and doing well. The only thing we've seen is when
sea-grass or shell gets wedged into a thermostat or pressure relief valve
and makes the motor run cool. Usually there is an increase in fuel
consumption, but still better than an EFI or carbureted motor, or a
"stutter" on acceleration. You may find the gap increased on the plugs also.
Once the plug is regapped and the motor warms up properly, its like new
again. This is seen usually on flats boats that run in the shallows a lot,
or larger boats that have run aground a few times.

Any electronically controlled engine, outboard, car motor, etc., is designed
to run correctly within a narrow range of temperatures, which is controlled
by the thermostat. Any operation outside the specs will increase emissions,
fuel consumption, and will affect drivability.

The high hour use engines, such as commercial fishermen, crabbers, law
enforcement, tow boats, or fishing guides are getting 300 hours or even a
bit longer plug life as Evinrude has advertised.

Bill Grannis
service manager

wrote:
Matt....I was just searching thru google,and came upon this thread....I know
2 people,friends,who have been running e-tecs......I have heard very good
things about them.....So,I repowered this past summer(05),with a pair of
e-tec 250's(On a 2950 Proline)......I have about 100 hrs on them,in all
types of different running (trolling,cruising etc.)I love these
engines....they are smooth,and extremely quiet.....the only problem,was the
plugs fouled when it got cold(NE region,fall fishing)...in the colder
weather,the xd100 oil should be used .....in the manual it says it should be
set up for that oil in this region....I would highly recommend them....also
,my fuel consumption has increased dramatically....(95 Ocean
Runners,carbs)...I burn about 30%,less fuel,....and that is when I am
running it pretty to my floscan,.my mileage
would be better if I backed off a little........They have allot of
torque.....I was not a believer at first,and I guess time will really
tell.......if anyone needs any info,or any questions,please e-mail
me.......jeff


wrote in message
ups.com...

So, only Tom is running an ETec? C'mon folks there must be more out
there ...





Thanks for your comments Jeff & clearly really happy yours are still
going well. Although your post seems like a bit of a sales pitch for
these things I'll treat it as real & up front. As with Ficht remember 4
out of 5 didn't fail. Well OK with Tom it's 2 outta 3 didn't:-)

I guess it's a statement of how risky these things are that after you
paid lots more than the price of a new medium sized car (gee which
includes seats, auto trans, wheels, tyres, crash tests, no pollution
damn even A/C & a radio!!) you seem pleased if not shocked they
"haven't" failed?????

Just on the advice from Bill, be a little careful he is "involved"
indeed was spruiking Fichts right up to the end & even claimed as a big
Florida dealer he'd never even seen a blown Ficht:-)
I suppose his "in production 3 yrs" might look right but you probably
know that there were not many in use till your last season so all we
really have is that one part season.

Of course he ran away with all the other dealers when owners were left
swinging after Ficht, wouldn't even show his head in the NG, no actual
help at all.

As for the specific thermostat thing be very careful already E-Tecs
have blamed failures on "overheating" along with the usual this or that
& who knows????? guess it might be right; however if you've read the
threads you'll know our submission is that it's excessive heat buildup
due to lean poorly atomised fueling that is the seed which leads to
detonation when normal fuel mixture mode is resumed. You might find
they've deliberately lowered the thermo temp to try & get an acceptable
number through????

Tom is another happy beaming customer just like you, terrified these
will fail & again trash the value of the boat?? even if he had to kick
another couple of cars worth for 2 more to get his failure rate back to
the 1 in 5:-). Although I outright call him on his 500hrs claim, since
he told this NG he finally got them, not because of huge demand but
........ gee I wonder why ????? well you get the idea:-), but hey if
Krause can get away with it why not??:-) You'll find Tom thinks things
work because he "believes" they will:-) true that's his posted
hysterical mystical technical explanation!!! Sorry giggling he-)

Anyway again very happy yours are OK & after all you paid for a simple
2 stroke with an angle drive so they should be!! I hope they stay that
way, but I'm as skeptical as you obviously are & would hate to see you
stuck like your brother Robinson was (just for the record; did he have
E-tecs??).


K