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So, only Tom is running an ETec? C'mon folks there must be more out
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Butch Davis wrote:
In thses discussions one should consider the source and qualifications of those contributing. AFAIK Karen (AKA The K of Oz) has never seen, touched, smelled, nor operated a FICHT or E-Tec engine. Her only KNOWLEDGE of the engines is what she has read and she seems unable to separate the wheat from the chaff of what she has read. I own a 1999 FICHT. I operate it year round in salt water and brackish water. It has served me for six and a half years with no issues whatsoever. As a PM exercise I've had the plugs replaced once. I generally operate at 3500 RPM but run at WOT for several minutes during each outing. I do not troll. I operate at idle for short periods when launching/retrieving or positioning the boat over a reef or hole. Last year I had some starting issues with my then five year old batteries. I replaced them with Optimas and normal starting resumed immediately. Should I have to replace my FICHT due to theft or accident the most likely replacement will be an E-Tec. I don't rule out a four stroke but weight is an important issue for me. In my boating area, central Gulf of Mexico coast, boats with FICHTs seem not to suffer any devaluation. IMO, the person with the most exrensive knowledge of FICHTs on this group is Bill Grannis. Google him and draw your own conclusions. OTOH, IMO the K of Oz is a notorious liar and fraud. YMMV. Butch Thanks for that Butch, unfortunately your mate Bill ran away with all the other Ficht spriukers when OMC fell over under the weight of failed Fichts. It pretty much beggars belief how you can even still pretend they're good engines, but if it's helps your pride go for it. As for the liar's comments about prop pitch it's just more him wearing his lack of education like a crown, a pitch box is the normal way to measure prop pitch & what I decribed was a simple way to do it your self if you didn't want to go to the trouble of building one. Seeing we cast our own props I'd suggest I'm well able to comment on how the pitch is determined. K "K. Smith" wrote in message ... wrote: Thats a dent in the track record ![]() I havent been able to find much about the Etec online .... Would you mind letting me know where to look for to gather more info? Of course the guy talking about the comparison with his TDI doesnt make any sense, the low temp issue doesnt look too serious but the Kabooms are concerning .. Are those little pains of a new product or a fundamental issue? IF the Etec works it looks like THE motor for me ... light, quiet, powerful, no maintenance ... What more can the boaters heart desire? (Except no kabooms of course ..) Matt The "Kabooms" are a risk with any engine run lean at power & the risk is aggravated if the injection pressure (therefore atomisation) is low. Even at it's worst I guess there were 4 in 5 Ficht owners happy?? well except their boats had become worthless:-) However a 1 in 5 risk is way too high given they cost as much as a medium sized car. A 1 in 500 risk is still too high for a consumer marketed OB engine. As for the E-Tecs, all I can say is that when the Fichts were dying it was exactly & I do mean exactly the same as right now; the reports were coming in yet scared owners wouldn't/couldn't believe it & brain dead liars like Krause even joined the dealers in fabricating stories to support the marketing of failing engines. Right up to about 2 weeks before OMC officially went under the dealers were still here spruiking their BS about them, attacking anyone who was trying to warn people of the dangers & essentially just telling lies. The reason the dealers were so excited about selling defective engines came out at the OMC bankruptcy hearings when it was finally revealed/confirmed that the dealers were getting over 30% markup (total of kickbacks & rebates) to sell sell sell known defective Ficht Of course like all cowardly dealer liars they just went away after OMC rolled over despite people all but begging for help or even the most basic of info in this NG, the very same scum that had induced people to buy their defective engines in the first place. They're not worth the risk & if anyone who has had 1 in 3 fail says otherwise ask yourself why they would be so silly as to take that risk again & at full tilt no less:-) More money than brains?? yes obviously, but at this rate pretty soon they'll have no money nor brains. K |
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![]() "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... K The only thing you cast is demons. Harry, This lack the creativity and wit of yesterday's insult to the gang of 7. I thought you might be back to your old self. I guess not. |
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All Folks!
Please lets not get carried away here .... I am interested in the ETec and if I buy a 150 HP Etec, which I beleive will be released in spring (Fieldtest 'r us) how big is the risk it will Kaboom? Lets also not discuss FICHT. One of those wont get near me ... ETec is quiet different though ... Karen does have a point! So lets talk Etec ![]() |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... All Folks! Please lets not get carried away here .... I am interested in the ETec and if I buy a 150 HP Etec, which I beleive will be released in spring (Fieldtest 'r us) how big is the risk it will Kaboom? This website has a lot of factual information on E-TEC and is more technical than the stuff on www.evinrude.com http://www.e-tecinfonet.org/ The E-TECs are now in their 3rd year of production and doing very well. There is no reason to assume that the 150 series would be a problem. Bill Grannis service manager |
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Matt....I was just searching thru google,and came upon this thread....I know
2 people,friends,who have been running e-tecs......I have heard very good things about them.....So,I repowered this past summer(05),with a pair of e-tec 250's(On a 2950 Proline)......I have about 100 hrs on them,in all types of different running (trolling,cruising etc.)I love these engines....they are smooth,and extremely quiet.....the only problem,was the plugs fouled when it got cold(NE region,fall fishing)...in the colder weather,the xd100 oil should be used .....in the manual it says it should be set up for that oil in this region....I would highly recommend them....also ,my fuel consumption has increased dramatically....(95 Ocean Runners,carbs)...I burn about 30%,less fuel,....and that is when I am running it pretty to my floscan,.my mileage would be better if I backed off a little........They have allot of torque.....I was not a believer at first,and I guess time will really tell.......if anyone needs any info,or any questions,please e-mail me.......jeff wrote in message ups.com... So, only Tom is running an ETec? C'mon folks there must be more out there ... |
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![]() wrote in message ... So,I repowered this past summer(05),with a pair of e-tec 250's(On a 2950 Proline)......I have about 100 hrs on them,in all types of different running (trolling,cruising etc.)I love these engines....they are smooth,and extremely quiet.....the only problem,was the plugs fouled when it got cold(NE region,fall fishing It sounds like the thermostats are fouled or "out of spec" by not allowing the motor to warm up to its designed operating temperature. There is also a pressure relief valve that could be leaking or bypassing water internally that will also give the same symptoms. See your authorized dealer, there is a service bulletin that describes how to check the cooling system to make sure the motor is operating correctly. Bill Grannis service manager |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shortwave Sportfishing" Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: E-Tec - Whats your experience? while you are here bill and in your experience, have you run into fouling problems with using other than xd100. there are some rumors running around up here that you have to run xd100 or the plugs will foul. I haven't seen any plug fouling with the E-TECs using XD-100 synthetic, XD-50 semi-synthetic, or ordinary TC-W3 oils. E-TECs are now in their 3rd year of production and doing well. The only thing we've seen is when sea-grass or shell gets wedged into a thermostat or pressure relief valve and makes the motor run cool. Usually there is an increase in fuel consumption, but still better than an EFI or carbureted motor, or a "stutter" on acceleration. You may find the gap increased on the plugs also. Once the plug is regapped and the motor warms up properly, its like new again. This is seen usually on flats boats that run in the shallows a lot, or larger boats that have run aground a few times. Any electronically controlled engine, outboard, car motor, etc., is designed to run correctly within a narrow range of temperatures, which is controlled by the thermostat. Any operation outside the specs will increase emissions, fuel consumption, and will affect drivability. The high hour use engines, such as commercial fishermen, crabbers, law enforcement, tow boats, or fishing guides are getting 300 hours or even a bit longer plug life as Evinrude has advertised. Bill Grannis service manager |
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Matt....I was just searching thru google,and came upon this thread....I know 2 people,friends,who have been running e-tecs......I have heard very good things about them.....So,I repowered this past summer(05),with a pair of e-tec 250's(On a 2950 Proline)......I have about 100 hrs on them,in all types of different running (trolling,cruising etc.)I love these engines....they are smooth,and extremely quiet.....the only problem,was the plugs fouled when it got cold(NE region,fall fishing)...in the colder weather,the xd100 oil should be used .....in the manual it says it should be set up for that oil in this region....I would highly recommend them....also ,my fuel consumption has increased dramatically....(95 Ocean Runners,carbs)...I burn about 30%,less fuel,....and that is when I am running it pretty to my floscan,.my mileage would be better if I backed off a little........They have allot of torque.....I was not a believer at first,and I guess time will really tell.......if anyone needs any info,or any questions,please e-mail me.......jeff wrote in message ups.com... So, only Tom is running an ETec? C'mon folks there must be more out there ... Thanks for your comments Jeff & clearly really happy yours are still going well. Although your post seems like a bit of a sales pitch for these things I'll treat it as real & up front. As with Ficht remember 4 out of 5 didn't fail. Well OK with Tom it's 2 outta 3 didn't:-) I guess it's a statement of how risky these things are that after you paid lots more than the price of a new medium sized car (gee which includes seats, auto trans, wheels, tyres, crash tests, no pollution damn even A/C & a radio!!) you seem pleased if not shocked they "haven't" failed????? Just on the advice from Bill, be a little careful he is "involved" indeed was spruiking Fichts right up to the end & even claimed as a big Florida dealer he'd never even seen a blown Ficht:-) I suppose his "in production 3 yrs" might look right but you probably know that there were not many in use till your last season so all we really have is that one part season. Of course he ran away with all the other dealers when owners were left swinging after Ficht, wouldn't even show his head in the NG, no actual help at all. As for the specific thermostat thing be very careful already E-Tecs have blamed failures on "overheating" along with the usual this or that & who knows????? guess it might be right; however if you've read the threads you'll know our submission is that it's excessive heat buildup due to lean poorly atomised fueling that is the seed which leads to detonation when normal fuel mixture mode is resumed. You might find they've deliberately lowered the thermo temp to try & get an acceptable number through???? Tom is another happy beaming customer just like you, terrified these will fail & again trash the value of the boat?? even if he had to kick another couple of cars worth for 2 more to get his failure rate back to the 1 in 5:-). Although I outright call him on his 500hrs claim, since he told this NG he finally got them, not because of huge demand but ........ gee I wonder why ????? well you get the idea:-), but hey if Krause can get away with it why not??:-) You'll find Tom thinks things work because he "believes" they will:-) true that's his posted hysterical mystical technical explanation!!! Sorry giggling he-) Anyway again very happy yours are OK & after all you paid for a simple 2 stroke with an angle drive so they should be!! I hope they stay that way, but I'm as skeptical as you obviously are & would hate to see you stuck like your brother Robinson was (just for the record; did he have E-tecs??). K |
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