wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that
I posted above.

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

A type-III system is a holding tank. A holding tank does nothing to
disinfect human waste.
It's simply a storage tank for sewage. You can't pump your holding tank
overboard in any inland waters or less than three miles offshore. The
only time you can operate in inland waters or less than 3-miles
offshore with a Type III without your Y valve wired shut is if you own
one of the increasing numbers of boats that have no option for disposal
of waste except a pumpout- and in that case you won't have a Y valve.

A type-I system reduces the bacterial count to something that would
compare to the output of a typical, shoreside, sewage treatment plant
and (mine, at least) also "liquifies" any solids before discharge.

Outside of a designated no-discharge zone, it is not illegal to dump
properly treated sewage into the water. (That's exactly what happens to
it if you pump out and it goes to
a taxpayer funded shoreside facility- it gets treated and dumped back
into the water). I do have a holding tank on board for use in a
no-discharge zone. When boarded, I was not in a no-discharge zone and I
did not have my Y valve wired shut. (I don't "wire it shut" when we
switch to the holding tank, to be honest- it's down in the engine room
and there is no chance that anybody would ever mess with it except
myself.

wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



Here's the portion that you keep overlooking:

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone,............................

Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course,
illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or
less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no
discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either.

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few
seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or
Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the
seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the
seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured
to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



Here's the portion that you keep overlooking:

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone,............................

Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course,
illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or
less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no
discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either.


Thanks.

Here's mo


[[Page 503]]

(b) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge
of treated or untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental
Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3 or 140.4, the operator must secure
each Type I or Type II device in a manner which prevents discharge of
treated or untreated sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device
include--
(1) Closing the seacock and removing the handle;
(2) Padlocking the seacock in the closed position;
(3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold the seacock in the
closed position; or
(4) Locking the door to the space enclosing the toilets with a
padlock or door handle key lock.
(c) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge
of untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency
under 40 CFR 140.3, the operator must secure each Type III device in a
manner which prevents discharge of sewage. Acceptable methods of
securing the device include--
(1) Closing each valve leading to an overboard discharge and
removing the handle;
(2) Padlocking each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the
closed position; or
(3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold each valve leading to an
overboard discharge in the closed position.
[CGH 95-028, 62 FR 51194, Sept. 30, 1997]So what constitutes a
"non-releasable wire-tie"? And how do I fasten it to my thru-hull
seacock?Would monel wire wrapped several times around it suffice?

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation
Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few
seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or
Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the
seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the
seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type
III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the
description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured
to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



Here's the portion that you keep overlooking:

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been
declared a No Discharge Zone,............................

Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course,
illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or
less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no
discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either.


Thanks.



Are you going to believe me now?

" *JimH*" wrote in message
. ..

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation
Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few
seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or
Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the
seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the
seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type
III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or
wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the
description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



Here's the portion that you keep overlooking:

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone,............................

Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course,
illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or
less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no
discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either.


Thanks.



Are you going to believe me now?

I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he
didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in
a "No Discharge Zone".

So tell me...
How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock?