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(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our
sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few
seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these
types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that
has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I
or Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the
seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the
seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with
a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type
III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or
wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the
description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



Here's the portion that you keep overlooking:

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone,............................

Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course,
illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or
less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no
discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either.


Thanks.



Are you going to believe me now?

I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he
didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not
in a "No Discharge Zone".

So tell me...
How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock?



Remove the handle or wire the handle closed with a plastic wire tie.

Plastic suffices?

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(!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our
sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few
seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD.

Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these
types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that
has been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured
to
prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I
or Type
II
MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the
seacock
and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the
seacock
handle would be sufficient.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm

Chuck,
If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with
a
seacock
and padlocking or wire-tie.


From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a
Type III
MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or
wired
shut.
Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the
description
that
I posted above.


You've got it backward, NOYB.

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these
types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be
secured to
prevent discharge."

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



Here's the portion that you keep overlooking:

"Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these
types
discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has
been
declared a No Discharge Zone,............................

Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course,
illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or
less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no
discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either.


Thanks.



Are you going to believe me now?

I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he
didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was
not in a "No Discharge Zone".

So tell me...
How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock?



Remove the handle or wire the handle closed with a plastic wire tie.

Plastic suffices?




I always assumed so. As long as it is not a reusable type.

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:28:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

So tell me...
How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock?


================================

Non-releasable wire ties are nylon. You can drill a hole a hole in
the Y valve handle and put a wire tie through it.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:28:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

So tell me...
How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock?


================================

Non-releasable wire ties are nylon. You can drill a hole a hole in
the Y valve handle and put a wire tie through it.

OK. Will do. Thanks.

I don't understand the requirement for throwable devices. As far as I can
see on the official Coast Guard Web site, most boats over 16 feet are not
required to have them. Are you suggesting they would write you a citation
if you didn't have them?

Sherwin D.

wrote:

Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping),
we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison.

It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd:

First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat.
The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then
did a quick turn to come up along side.

Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the
female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked
like they had graduated high school just last June.

I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't
know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really
relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD!
Super, thanks."

They looked at:

1) Documentation and ID
2) PFD's
3) oil discharge placard
4) garbage placard
5) fire extinguishers
6) horn
7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings)

They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did).
They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as
my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-)

While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his
list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of
personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank.

I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn
gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it
decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG
boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did
mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG
can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which
is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn.

Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG
was very professional and polite.

Apparently you are not too put-off by their Police-State tactics,
Homeland Insecurity notwithstanding. I suppose you would be similarly
accommodating if they strode in your front door at home and sat around
the dining room table going through your personal stuff, demanding to
see your furnace and water heater, and checking the batteries in your
smoke detectors. Oh, yeah, and the contents of your hard drives while
their at it.
Baaaaahhhhhh
JR

wrote:

Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping),
we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison.

It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd:

First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat.
The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then
did a quick turn to come up along side.

Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the
female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked
like they had graduated high school just last June.

I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't
know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He
looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y
valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds
before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really
relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD!
Super, thanks."

They looked at:

1) Documentation and ID
2) PFD's
3) oil discharge placard
4) garbage placard
5) fire extinguishers
6) horn
7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings)

They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did).
They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as
my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-)

While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his
list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of
personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank.

I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn
gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it
decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG
boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did
mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG
can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which
is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn.

Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG
was very professional and polite.



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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

JR North wrote:
Apparently you are not too put-off by their Police-State tactics,
Homeland Insecurity notwithstanding. I suppose you would be similarly
accommodating if they strode in your front door at home and sat around
the dining room table going through your personal stuff, demanding to
see your furnace and water heater, and checking the batteries in your
smoke detectors. Oh, yeah, and the contents of your hard drives while
their at it.
Baaaaahhhhhh
JR


Not put off at all. Navigation is a privilege, not a right. When one
takes up "pleasure boating" it has to be done with the understanding
that vessels in a public waterway are
subject to scrutiny by regulatory agencies. The Coast Guard was once
part of the revenue service, and inspecting cargos was an intinsic part
of the duty.

I expect to be free from "unreasonable" search and seizure. Inspecting
my furnace, water heater, smoke detectors, and examining my hard drive
(without a court order based on some evidence of a possible crime)
would be unreasonable. Making sure that the guy who might be rafted
next to me along the float at Langley has a working fire extinguisher,
or that I have one myself, is pretty much OK with me.

Besides, they asked permission to board. I don't know what would have
happened if I said "no", but I'm pretty sure that life was a whole lot
less complicated because I said "yes."

It's not much different that crossing the border and going through
customs. The customs people have the "right" to take your car apart
down to the frame if they think they need to.
Folks who can't stand the thought of being inspected at customs can
avoid the experience by not traveling. Those who can't stand the
thought of enduring a safety inspection by the Coast Guard can avoid it
by staying away from boats.