John H. wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:58:26 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
How many of the 45 million
babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time
they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent?

--
John

And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month.

Hard question, huh? "It's just a fetus kicking, honey." Ring any
bells?

Here, I'll repeat one you seem to have missed.

Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you
don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it.


Our nation does not. "Congress shall make no law......" go back and
read the first amendment.

Are Jews un-American?
How about atheists and agnostics? Are they less American because they
don't pray to Jesus, or don't pray at all? They're a heck of a lot less
Christian, for sure. But most of the Christians in the world aren't
Americans. Christmas is not a "national holy day" . My ancestors began
arriving here in the early 1600's specifically to get away from
"official state holy days." Our founders set up a system where you are
free to practice your religion as you see fit, but it will never be the
"national" religion. Sorry.

wrote:

Are Jews un-American?

Yes, some are very un-American. Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, Krause, many
others.

--
Skipper

On 3 Dec 2005 19:02:25 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:58:26 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
How many of the 45 million
babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time
they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent?

--
John

And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month.

Hard question, huh? "It's just a fetus kicking, honey." Ring any
bells?

Here, I'll repeat one you seem to have missed.

Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you
don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it.


Our nation does not. "Congress shall make no law......" go back and
read the first amendment.

Looks like they blew it. Christmas is a federal Holy Day.


Are Jews un-American?

Only un-American Jews are un-American. I would have no problem with
Chanukah being a national Holy Day also. If their is a day especially
holy to Muslims, then it can also be a national Holy Day.


How about atheists and agnostics? Are they less American because they
don't pray to Jesus, or don't pray at all? They're a heck of a lot less
Christian, for sure. But most of the Christians in the world aren't
Americans. Christmas is not a "national holy day" . My ancestors began
arriving here in the early 1600's specifically to get away from
"official state holy days." Our founders set up a system where you are
free to practice your religion as you see fit, but it will never be the
"national" religion. Sorry.

Is there a day that is holy to atheists and/or agnostics? If so, make
it a national Holy Day.

I'm happy for your ancestors. They had a bearing in the development of
you. We need people like you to show us how important the Christmas
Holy Day really is.

Thanks for all you do.


--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

John H. wrote:
On 3 Dec 2005 19:02:25 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:58:26 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
How many of the 45 million
babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time
they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent?

--
John

And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month.

Hard question, huh? "It's just a fetus kicking, honey." Ring any
bells?

Here, I'll repeat one you seem to have missed.

Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you
don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it.


Our nation does not. "Congress shall make no law......" go back and
read the first amendment.

Looks like they blew it. Christmas is a federal Holy Day.


Nonsense. Christmas is a federal holiday, not holy day.

Yes, the entymology of "holiday" is closely associated with "holy day",
but if we are to accept your declaration of a national "holy day",
would you please explain the religious significance of the other
national "holy days?" Why not start with Labor Day? Fourth of July? (Is
that in the Bible somehwere)? Maybe follow up with Ground Hog Day? :-)
Why isn't Easter a national holiday? (Good Friday is a national holiday
in Canada and some other countries).

(Actually Ground Hog Day is the modern extension of both pagan and
Christian traditions.
In the ancient church it used to be called "Candlemass", and noted the
end of the period of Mary's ritual purification following the Nativity)

On 3 Dec 2005 20:05:20 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 3 Dec 2005 19:02:25 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:58:26 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
How many of the 45 million
babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time
they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent?

--
John

And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month.

Hard question, huh? "It's just a fetus kicking, honey." Ring any
bells?

Here, I'll repeat one you seem to have missed.

Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you
don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it.


Our nation does not. "Congress shall make no law......" go back and
read the first amendment.

Looks like they blew it. Christmas is a federal Holy Day.


Nonsense. Christmas is a federal holiday, not holy day.

Yes, the entymology of "holiday" is closely associated with "holy day",
but if we are to accept your declaration of a national "holy day",
would you please explain the religious significance of the other
national "holy days?" Why not start with Labor Day? Fourth of July? (Is
that in the Bible somehwere)? Maybe follow up with Ground Hog Day? :-)
Why isn't Easter a national holiday? (Good Friday is a national holiday
in Canada and some other countries).

(Actually Ground Hog Day is the modern extension of both pagan and
Christian traditions.
In the ancient church it used to be called "Candlemass", and noted the
end of the period of Mary's ritual purification following the Nativity)

Closely associated? Like, maybe, dead on?

The other days you mention are 'celebration days', what the Germans
would call 'feiertag'. The word 'holiday' leeched its way onto those
days because of the language laziness found in most of us. You are
correct, those are not holy days.

Christmas, however, is a national Holy Day, and there is nothing wrong
with that.

So, I hope you have an enjoyable Christmas Holy Day, although it
sounds as though the Grinch has already paid you a visit.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.