On 3 Dec 2005 09:28:48 -0800, wrote:


*JimH* wrote:
Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree.

I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree."

Glad the Christmas season brings you some joy.

I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about
confused........

We use our tree as a place to put gifts for the needy. No confusion at
all. Prior to Christmas day, the gifts are distributed to children who
otherwise may not have any.

Do you find this offensive?

The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first
order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice
tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and
showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the
Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar.

There are other traditions also, Chuck. And, is there something
*wrong* with honoring a deity which cares for the forests?


As one of my friends, (a devout Christian but not a member of a
mainstream sect), points out, there is nothing in the Bible that
commands anybody to celebrate Christmas or even Easter. In fact, two of
the four New Testament gospels don't even mention The Natvity, and you
would think that hosts of angels descending from heaven wouldn't be
such a trivial detail that it was accidentally overlooked.


Have you read somewhere that all of the gospels in the New Testament
must say exactly the same thing?


Is there a religious passage somewhere that says, "Go thou, chop down
a tree, bring it into your home, and make offereings unto it?" Nah,
probably not. In fact, I sort of recall that Jehovah was might upset
when some of his followers were venerating a golden calf.
It ain't that far from a calf to a tree.

Probably no passage saying same.

So what? There is no passage saying, "Buy thyself a boat and cruise
Puget Sound," You do it because you enjoy it. People put Christmas
trees in their homes because they enjoy them. For many, decorating the
tree is a family get-together time that is most enjoyable.

And, the tree provides a centerpiece for the electric train going
round and round its base.


Oh, and take a good close look at that holly and mistletoe while you're
at it. :-)

Holly provides a decorative touch on the fireplace mantel. Intermixed
with candles, lights, and other decorations it adds to the Christmas
cheer.

Can anybody who considers Christmas a Christian and religious holiday
offer a good explanation for the inculsion of a venerated tree? I'd be
fascinated to see it attempted.

http://www.christmasarchives.com/trees.html

....and because we like them. They provide a nice gathering spot for
family and friends and for the opening of gifts on Christmas morning.

It's a shame you miss out on one of the great pleasures of life -
watching the grandchildren opening their presents by the Christmas
tree.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

On 3 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree.



Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. We
have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the
real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real
tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. But he and
the others have no interest in the artificial tree, other than stealing
the tinsel and stashing it away.

Harry, when are the liberals going to start waging their campaign to
remove the crosses and the stars of David from Arlington Memorial
Cemetery?

Surely, being a union guy and all, you've got the inside track with
what the ACLUnion is doing these days.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

Why don't you turn off the radio and think for yourself?

The crosses, stars of David, and even the Moslem crescents in Arlington
National cemetary belong on the tombs. They are there to help identify
and commemorate the people who are buried there. Just like the name on
the tombstone, the religious symbols
(or lack of same), make a statement about the deceased.

Now, when you want to put a Christian Cross over the entrance and
require everybody to say Hail Mary or The Lord's Prayer when entering,
(or install the trappings of any other religion as an overall theme for
Arlington), you will indeed hear from liberals- as well as moderates,
conservatives, and lovers of the First Amendment from any political
camp.

Rationales don't cut it, Chuck. A religious symbol is on federal
property. Amen.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:32:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:


It's a shame you miss out on one of the great pleasures of life -
watching the grandchildren opening their presents by the Christmas
tree.

Whoops. Meant to end with:

--
John

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

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*JimH* wrote:
Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree.

I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree."

I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about
confused........

The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first
order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice


Yea, verily though I walk through the shadows of christmas trees, the tree
is but a symbol of the time of year, of the holy day, of a gathering of
family and friends to share the idea of good will toward others. I don't
recall the 3 wisemen dragging a christmas tree to the manger.

We have a christmas tree because it is a tradition, it looks nice, it smells
nice, and it's a gathering place for gifts, family, friends, and fire
hazards. It ain't no big thang! And given my celtic and germanic ancestry,
why the hell shouldn't I celebrate the damn tree. ; )

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*JimH* wrote:
Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree.

I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree."

I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about
confused........

The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first
order.


Only in your mind I guess.

Are you taking Christmas Day off from work Chuck?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas
tree.
I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree."

I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about
confused........

The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first
order.


Only in your mind I guess.

Are you taking Christmas Day off from work Chuck?


I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews
whose thoughts were significant to humanity.

We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics:

* Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to
the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother)
* Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother)
* Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother)
* Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for
nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection
therewith
* Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish
mother)
* Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in
quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the
wavefunction
* Georges Charpak, France,
* Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France,
* Leon Neil Cooper, US,
* Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the
photoelectric effect
* Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum
electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of
elementary particles
* James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the
impact of an electron upon an atom
* Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father)
* Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations
concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound
neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of
the quark model in particle physics
* Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the
holographic method
* Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries
concerning the classification of elementary particles and their
interactions"
* Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to
the theory of superconductors and superfluids
* Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber
* Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of
the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral
current
* Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005)
* David Gross, US,
* Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron
scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries
concerning the structure of the nucleons
* Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the
properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those
phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect
* Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for
condensed matter, especially liquid helium
* Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* David Lee, US,
* Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours
photographically based on the phenomenon of interference
* Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments
and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with
their aid
* Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the
connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei
and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus
based on this connection
* Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]]
* Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent)
* Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave
background radiation
* Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton
* David Politzer, US,
* Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the
magnetic properties of atomic nuclei
* Frederick Reines, US,
* Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a
heavy elementary particle of a new kind
* Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father)
* Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics
* Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton
* Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the
molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the
proton
* Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the
unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles,
including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current
* Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering



(I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and
would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a
day off during the week in December."



Go for it!

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews
whose thoughts were significant to humanity.

We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics:

* Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions
to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother)
* Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother)
* Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother)
* Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for
nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection
therewith
* Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish
mother)
* Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in
quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the
wavefunction
* Georges Charpak, France,
* Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France,
* Leon Neil Cooper, US,
* Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the
photoelectric effect
* Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum
electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of
elementary particles
* James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing
the impact of an electron upon an atom
* Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father)
* Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations
concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound
neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of
the quark model in particle physics
* Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the
holographic method
* Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries
concerning the classification of elementary particles and their
interactions"
* Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions
to the theory of superconductors and superfluids
* Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber
* Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of
the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current
* Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005)
* David Gross, US,
* Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron
scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries
concerning the structure of the nucleons
* Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the
properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular
those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect
* Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for
condensed matter, especially liquid helium
* Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* David Lee, US,
* Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours
photographically based on the phenomenon of interference
* Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision
instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations
carried out with their aid
* Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the
connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic
nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic
nucleus based on this connection
* Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]]
* Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent)
* Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave
background radiation
* Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton
* David Politzer, US,
* Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the
magnetic properties of atomic nuclei
* Frederick Reines, US,
* Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of
a heavy elementary particle of a new kind
* Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father)
* Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics
* Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton
* Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the
molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton
* Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the
unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current
* Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering



(I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and
would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a
day off during the week in December."


Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day
of their births. I have no problem with that.

Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You
may find that galling, but it's a fact.

--
John

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews
whose thoughts were significant to humanity.

We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics:

* Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions
to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother)
* Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother)
* Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother)
* Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for
nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection
therewith
* Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish
mother)
* Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in
quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the
wavefunction
* Georges Charpak, France,
* Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France,
* Leon Neil Cooper, US,
* Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the
photoelectric effect
* Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum
electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of
elementary particles
* James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing
the impact of an electron upon an atom
* Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father)
* Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations
concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound
neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of
the quark model in particle physics
* Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the
holographic method
* Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries
concerning the classification of elementary particles and their
interactions"
* Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions
to the theory of superconductors and superfluids
* Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber
* Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of
the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral
current
* Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005)
* David Gross, US,
* Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron
scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries
concerning the structure of the nucleons
* Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the
properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular
those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect
* Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for
condensed matter, especially liquid helium
* Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* David Lee, US,
* Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours
photographically based on the phenomenon of interference
* Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision
instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations
carried out with their aid
* Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the
connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic
nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic
nucleus based on this connection
* Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]]
* Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent)
* Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave
background radiation
* Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton
* David Politzer, US,
* Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the
magnetic properties of atomic nuclei
* Frederick Reines, US,
* Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of
a heavy elementary particle of a new kind
* Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father)
* Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics
* Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton
* Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the
molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the
proton
* Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the
unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral
current
* Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering



(I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and
would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a
day off during the week in December."


Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day
of their births. I have no problem with that.

Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You
may find that galling, but it's a fact.

--
John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus
Christ.


It's just an "assigned" day, John.
I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's
birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or
acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday."



So what are you doing on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Harry?

Harry Krause wrote:


I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews
whose thoughts were significant to humanity.

We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics:

* Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions
to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother)
* Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother)
* Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother)
* Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for
nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection
therewith
* Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish
mother)
* Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in
quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the
wavefunction
* Georges Charpak, France,
* Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France,
* Leon Neil Cooper, US,
* Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the
photoelectric effect
* Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum
electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of
elementary particles
* James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing
the impact of an electron upon an atom
* Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father)
* Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations
concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound
neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of
the quark model in particle physics
* Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the
holographic method
* Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries
concerning the classification of elementary particles and their
interactions"
* Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions
to the theory of superconductors and superfluids
* Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber
* Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of
the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral
current
* Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005)
* David Gross, US,
* Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron
scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries
concerning the structure of the nucleons
* Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the
properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular
those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect
* Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for
condensed matter, especially liquid helium
* Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* David Lee, US,
* Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours
photographically based on the phenomenon of interference
* Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision
instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations
carried out with their aid
* Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the
connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic
nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic
nucleus based on this connection
* Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]]
* Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent)
* Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave
background radiation
* Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton
* David Politzer, US,
* Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the
magnetic properties of atomic nuclei
* Frederick Reines, US,
* Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of
a heavy elementary particle of a new kind
* Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father)
* Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics
* Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton
* Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the
demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the
discovery of the muon neutrino
* Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the
molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton
* Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the
unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary
particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral
current
* Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering
snip..

Why don't you frame that list and send it to Snippy for a christmas present.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:31:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day
of their births. I have no problem with that.

Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You
may find that galling, but it's a fact.

--
John

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.


It's just an "assigned" day, John.
I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's
birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or
acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday."

Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you
don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it.

I just hope your attitude doesn't get worse as we get closer to the
Holy Day. Although, I have to admit, I find your Kevinesque behavior
quite humorous!

--
John

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.