France
 

Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?
Isn't everyone suppose to be happy?
Where are the free croissants?

France
 

"Sammy" wrote in message
news:WJ3cf.13179$dU6.5143@trnddc03...
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?
Isn't everyone suppose to be happy?
Where are the free croissants?




Where are the liberals defending the Muslims now?

France
 

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

France
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
"Sammy" wrote in message
news:WJ3cf.13179$dU6.5143@trnddc03...
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?
Isn't everyone suppose to be happy?
Where are the free croissants?




Where are the liberals defending the Muslims now?

The Muslims need no defense.

When some African Americans rioted after the Rodney King situation, did
you hold all African Americans responsible?

When Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC office building, did you hold all
Irish Americans responsible?

If the answers to those items are both "no", then surely there would be
no tendency to condemn Islam in general for the anti-social actions of
a small percentage of Muslims.

Besides, any defense would be wasted on somebody who thought (or
attempted to think) in such broad stereotypes that he/she held all of
Islam responsible for the actions of a few.

France
 

France
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
Where are the liberals defending the Muslims now?


yeah, we should just exterminate the pesky little *******s! if it wasn't
for those libby-rull traitors, we'd have Muslims in concentraion camps
by now!

DSK

France
 

wrote in message
ups.com...

Dan J.S. wrote:
"Sammy" wrote in message
news:WJ3cf.13179$dU6.5143@trnddc03...
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?
Isn't everyone suppose to be happy?
Where are the free croissants?




Where are the liberals defending the Muslims now?

The Muslims need no defense.

When some African Americans rioted after the Rodney King situation, did
you hold all African Americans responsible?

When Timothy McVeigh blew up the OKC office building, did you hold all
Irish Americans responsible?

If the answers to those items are both "no", then surely there would be
no tendency to condemn Islam in general for the anti-social actions of
a small percentage of Muslims.

Besides, any defense would be wasted on somebody who thought (or
attempted to think) in such broad stereotypes that he/she held all of
Islam responsible for the actions of a few.


Unfortunately in the case of Muslims, it is all of them. They made it clear
that they want to associate themselves by religion, not country or heritage.
This religion preaches hatred through the clerics that are positioned all
over the world. This is not a game. Further more, Blacks, Irish, others,
assimilate themselves into the over all culture. Muslims chose not to. In
1600s Europe almost lost it all to Muslims - if it would not be for King
Sobieski most of us right now would be muslim.

France
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
Where are the liberals defending the Muslims now?

yeah, we should just exterminate the pesky little *******s! if it wasn't
for those libby-rull traitors, we'd have Muslims in concentraion camps by
now!

DSK


Where they belong! Unless they want to assimilate into our culture...

France
 

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

France
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!


???

Could you explain when & where this happened, please?


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Possibly, but I certainly don't have any idea what you are talking about.

DSK

France
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Worked just as well when the Christian Europeans slaughtered 30,000
Arabs within a quarter of a sqaure mile inside the city walls of
Jerusalem during the first crusade- if you want to go back that far
into history.

Are you blaming the Great Fire of London (1666) on "Arabs"? How
amusing- if you are.

I hope you don't kiss your mother with that mouth.

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote
It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Doug Kanter wrote:
I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


I'm waiting to learn the details too. Enquiring minds want to know!

But I think the reason we are ignorant of this little true-history
nugget is that we must have missed the latest broadcast from Planet
Bozo-Moronia.

DSK

France
 

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:29:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:

wrote:

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government.

One wonders what certain unscrupulous French used car salesmen think
while watching thousands of cars burn in the street.

I thought you'd stopped that!
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

France
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
"Dan J.S." wrote
It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Doug Kanter wrote:
I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?

I'm waiting to learn the details too. Enquiring minds want to know!

But I think the reason we are ignorant of this little true-history nugget
is that we must have missed the latest broadcast from Planet Bozo-Moronia.

DSK


Either that, or Spain is equal to half of Europe. Can't wait to learn Moor.
:-)

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple of
years more working time before the people retire. In something like 10-15
years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker. Think that
will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but lots of
European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37% unemployment.
Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous cities in Italy
(besides the taxi drivers).

France
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!


???

Could you explain when & where this happened, please?


His greatest success came on September 12, 1683 as victor at the Battle of
Vienna, with Polish, Austrian and German troops, once more against the Turks
under Kara Mustafa. The pope and other foreign dignitaries then hailed
Sobieski as the "Savior of Vienna and Western European civilization." In a
letter to his wife he wrote, ...All the common people kissed my hands, my
feet, my clothes; others only touched me, saying: Ach, let us kiss so
valiant a hand!".



Turning point of when the Turks backed off.

France
 

Doug Kanter wrote:
Either that, or Spain is equal to half of Europe. Can't wait to learn Moor.
:-)


Good point, 1/2 is the wrong fraction, but I was thinking of veinna it
happened, too.

Still, the wrong century by a couple. Surely the right-wingnut history
bund of rec.boats can tell time better than that??

DSK

France
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha

France
 

Are you blaming the Great Fire of London (1666) on "Arabs"? How
amusing- if you are.

I hope you don't kiss your mother with that mouth.


I apologize for swearing at you... I just get all up in arms when Islam
comes up.

France
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?

Maybe he means the Moslem near-conquest of Europe in the 7th Century that
was stopped by the Franks? He surely wasn't referring to the Ottoman
Empire, because those folks were not Arabs. Perhaps he studied a parallel
universe history?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Mustafa

Arab:

a.. A member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia, whose language and
Islamic religion spread widely throughout the Middle East and northern
Africa from the seventh century.
a.. A member of an Arabic-speaking people


Mustafa was practicing Islam. Turks were considered Arabs. They followed the
sharia which is the canonical muslim law.

France
 

Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up
"Janissaries") beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down
half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

And as Doug Kanter suggested, you may want to take a gander at some
Spanish history.

DSK


Dan J.S. wrote:
His greatest success came on September 12, 1683 as victor at the Battle of
Vienna, with Polish, Austrian and German troops, once more against the Turks
under Kara Mustafa. The pope and other foreign dignitaries then hailed
Sobieski as the "Savior of Vienna and Western European civilization." In a
letter to his wife he wrote, ...All the common people kissed my hands, my
feet, my clothes; others only touched me, saying: Ach, let us kiss so
valiant a hand!".



Turning point of when the Turks backed off.

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Done. Now what?

France
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
Mustafa was practicing Islam.

Correct

... Turks were considered Arabs.

Ahem! I suggest you try telling a Turk that. If you're lucky, he won't
reply that he he considers you to be Greek.


... They followed the
sharia which is the canonical muslim law.

Somewhat correct, but the gov't which the Ottomans built up over the
centuries was quite secular... more so than most in Europe at the
time... and that heritage is one reason probably why Turkey is one of
the most pro-West and secular countries in the Middle East today.

DSK

France
 

Well France stinks - maybe you guys dont know - but a few EU countries have
been supporting our allied USA in Irak and all other places - Denmark where
i live is one of them, our closest allied and partner is USA - it is
interesting that our unimployment rate is less than 5% - but then again we
dont have a socialistic goverment - they where replaced by a Liberal one 5
year ago - and still have absolute majority.
"Bill McKee" skrev i en meddelelse
ink.net...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple of
years more working time before the people retire. In something like 10-15
years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker. Think that
will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but lots of
European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37% unemployment.
Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous cities in Italy
(besides the taxi drivers).

France
 

Was not painting all Europe with the same brush.

"ena" wrote in message
...
Well France stinks - maybe you guys dont know - but a few EU countries
have been supporting our allied USA in Irak and all other places - Denmark
where i live is one of them, our closest allied and partner is USA - it is
interesting that our unimployment rate is less than 5% - but then again we
dont have a socialistic goverment - they where replaced by a Liberal one 5
year ago - and still have absolute majority.
"Bill McKee" skrev i en meddelelse
ink.net...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple
of years more working time before the people retire. In something like
10-15 years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker.
Think that will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but
lots of European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37%
unemployment. Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous
cities in Italy (besides the taxi drivers).

France
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up "Janissaries")
beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time. They
did practice Islam. And most of Europe was involved. Your American education
(or lack of) is showing.

France
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Read about "Arabs." The Ottomans were not Arabs.

Muslims, Arabs.

Todays Muslims associate themselves with Islam. These are the people burning
down France. I will call them Islamists now. Better?

France
 

"ena" wrote in message
...
Well France stinks - maybe you guys dont know - but a few EU countries
have been supporting our allied USA in Irak and all other places - Denmark
where i live is one of them, our closest allied and partner is USA - it is
interesting that our unimployment rate is less than 5% - but then again we
dont have a socialistic goverment - they where replaced by a Liberal one 5
year ago - and still have absolute majority.

And I want to thank you for your countries support! I was born in Poland
myself, and we also support the U.S. and are proud of it.

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up
"Janissaries") beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down
half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.

I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time.
They did practice Islam. And most of Europe was involved. Your American
education (or lack of) is showing.


Most of Europe? France, Germany, Poland, Italy, etc etc.... ???

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the
high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of,
and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that
process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Read about "Arabs." The Ottomans were not Arabs.

Muslims, Arabs.

Todays Muslims associate themselves with Islam. These are the people
burning down France. I will call them Islamists now. Better?


Black people here burned down ghettos back in the 60s. Probably the majority
were Baptists or Catholics. But, they weren't rioting for religious reasons.
What makes you think religion is the issue in France at the moment? Could it
be skin color?

France
 

Just to make sure I'm not accused of misquoting you, you are saying that
the Turks (whose troops were not all Muslim, BTW... look up "Janissaries")
beseiging Vienna... and failing... equals "burning down half of Europe"?

You may want to check a map.


Dan J.S. wrote:
I don't need to check a map of a place that I lived at for a long time.

Oh, I get it... you've actually been there, so that makes it much more
important and now constitutes "half of Europe."

Oddly enough, I've been there too. Funny how it never seemed like "half
of Europe" to me.

... They
did practice Islam.

Who? The Turks? Sure. The Janissaries? Some converted to Islam, but many
did not.

... And most of Europe was involved.

Let's see, Poland & Austria and some small principalities in what is now
Germany... that's "most" of Europe?


... Your American education
(or lack of) is showing.

Yeah, that must be it.

Did you ask a Turk if he considers himself an Arab yet? And I hate to
ask you again to do something you've already claimed you don't need to
do, but look at a map of Europe and outline all the area which the
Ottomans occupied... or marched over. It's a large area, but it's not
half and certainly a long darn way from "most" of Europe.

DSK

France
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the
high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of,
and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that
process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in
the 1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Read about "Arabs." The Ottomans were not Arabs.

Muslims, Arabs.

Todays Muslims associate themselves with Islam. These are the people
burning down France. I will call them Islamists now. Better?


Black people here burned down ghettos back in the 60s. Probably the
majority were Baptists or Catholics. But, they weren't rioting for
religious reasons. What makes you think religion is the issue in France at
the moment? Could it be skin color?


Islamists are creating a very volatile environment to break down the western
way of living. Clerics are behind most of these attacks. Yes, there are some
that want to stop them, but notice, even those that want to help are using
their help as future leverage.

France
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the
high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of,
and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that
process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in
the 1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Read about "Arabs." The Ottomans were not Arabs.

Muslims, Arabs.

Todays Muslims associate themselves with Islam. These are the people
burning down France. I will call them Islamists now. Better?


Black people here burned down ghettos back in the 60s. Probably the
majority were Baptists or Catholics. But, they weren't rioting for
religious reasons. What makes you think religion is the issue in France
at the moment? Could it be skin color?


Islamists are creating a very volatile environment to break down the
western way of living. Clerics are behind most of these attacks. Yes,
there are some that want to stop them, but notice, even those that want to
help are using their help as future leverage.


Militant clerics urged blacks on in this country, while others, like Martin
Luther King did the opposite. This will always be the case with people who
look to their religious leaders for guidance. It even worked for white
extremists here, who listened to the Berrigans.

But, never mind. Feel free to give yourself a belly ache about this.

France
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple of
years more working time before the people retire. In something like 10-15
years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker. Think that
will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but lots of
European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37% unemployment.
Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous cities in Italy
(besides the taxi drivers).


Yep, France's economy is in the crapper and social spending is out of
control.

But those facts are not factors of the riots. Otherwise the rioters would
not be made up only of young muslim men.

France
 

" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the

French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost
all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple
of
years more working time before the people retire. In something like
10-15
years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker. Think
that
will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but lots of
European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37% unemployment.
Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous cities in Italy
(besides the taxi drivers).


Yep, France's economy is in the crapper and social spending is out of
control.

Actually it is to some degree.....economics plays a major role in
it.......and the fact that muslims tend to not assimilate into the culture
where they live means they end up religated to the lower end of the economic
scale.


But those facts are not factors of the riots. Otherwise the rioters would
not be made up only of young muslim men.

France
 

" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?


Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached. Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of, and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.


It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Actually Chuck may be right. France is an economic disaster. Almost all
the public union strikes are over the government trying to add a couple
of years more working time before the people retire. In something like
10-15 years, there will be only 2 workers for every retired worker.
Think that will be sustainable? France just happens to be the worst, but
lots of European countries are in the same boat. Naples has a 37%
unemployment. Most likely the reason it is one of the most dangerous
cities in Italy (besides the taxi drivers).


Yep, France's economy is in the crapper and social spending is out of
control.

But those facts are not factors of the riots. Otherwise the rioters would
not be made up only of young muslim men.


Take a look at photos of riots in the Middle East. Women don't often
participate in them. Of course, you knew that, you know why, but you just
forgot.

France
 

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:45:44 -0500, P Fritz wrote:


Actually it is to some degree.....economics plays a major role in
it.......and the fact that muslims tend to not assimilate into the culture
where they live means they end up religated to the lower end of the
economic scale.

Huh? Islam is a religion. If a Muslim remains true to his faith, are you
saying he doesn't assimilate? How about a Baptist?

France
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the
high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of,
and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that
process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in
the 1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Read about "Arabs." The Ottomans were not Arabs.

Muslims, Arabs.

Todays Muslims associate themselves with Islam. These are the people
burning down France. I will call them Islamists now. Better?


Black people here burned down ghettos back in the 60s. Probably the
majority were Baptists or Catholics. But, they weren't rioting for
religious reasons. What makes you think religion is the issue in France at
the moment? Could it be skin color?

It could be because they're running around yelling "this is war" and
"jihad".

France
 

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:13:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ps.com...
Sammy wrote:
Wow, I thought social unrest was impossible under democratic
socialism?

Nah. It's just not moved to a designated "protest zone" where the
high
rollin' elite and right wing political candidates don't have to see
it.

Don't forget what that old communist, Thomas Jefferson, preached.
Every
so often it is healthy for the people to rise up, take control of,
and
reform the government. We may be seeing the beginnings of that
process
in France, and that should make all the "We-hate-France-because-the
French-didn't-fall-for-the-WMD-propaganda-and-join-the-invasion-of-Iraq"
crowd extremely happy.

It worked really well when the Arabs burned down half of Europe in the
1600s... ****ing idiot!

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm ready for a history lesson. Half of Europe? Which half?


read about Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha




Read about "Arabs." The Ottomans were not Arabs.

Muslims, Arabs.

Todays Muslims associate themselves with Islam. These are the people
burning down France. I will call them Islamists now. Better?


Black people here burned down ghettos back in the 60s. Probably the majority
were Baptists or Catholics. But, they weren't rioting for religious reasons.
What makes you think religion is the issue in France at the moment? Could it
be skin color?


According to Len, the kids are being motivated in their religious schools. Or,
did I read that wrongly?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

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