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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
In terms of who deserves the most credit it is unmistakenly
Gorbatsjov. Why is it there is such a need to blow up the part Reagan
played? Don't you think any president with a smart advisor would have
done not exactly the same but would have added in the same amount?

No, Reagan was the drivinig force in tearing down the iron curtain.


And don't forget that he personally designed built & flew the first rocket
to the moon, right after he finished taming the west. And he proved
scientifically that trees cause air pollution!

You have no concept of leadership.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Actually, history was on both their sides. The borders were already
porous as a screened hatch in a submarine, the economies of the
various Baltic states were becoming more Westernized with a healthy
open black market fueled by some really good smugglers (a story of
whom has never been written but I wish would be), Poland and Hungary
had already become democratized - the forces of history.

They were in the right place in the right time for it all to come
crashing down. The fact that Reganites took credit for it is an
accident of that same history.

No doubt Reagan helped. But I thought it was funny that he is supposed to
have intimidated the Russians thru our superior submarine force... at that
time, the Russians had over 1,000 submarines alone, and President Reagan's
600 ship Navy was just a pipe dream.

90% of those Soviet subs were stuck in port with the sailors just moving
them around the docks and painting different numbers on them.

90% of the Soviet missle silos were so water logged none of the electronics
could be turned on due them frying themselves soon after.

The whole Soviet facade crumbled under the weight of the US economic power.

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:10:32 -0700, jps wrote:

In article QyY8f.1092$xp1.863@trnddc01, says...
Hi Len,

You must be really happy to live somewhere where it doesn't matter what you
think.

I know I am.

And here Len, is a prime example of what is known overseas as the "ugly
American."

Trouble with these folks is that the harness that holds the blinders to
their heads are often cinched up a little too tight. It restricts blood
flow to the head. Eventually the brain atrophies and the most hey can
comprehend is the tripe that's spoon fed to them on right wing radio.

jps

I'm getting confused. Wasn't the"Ugly American" the good guy who
really cared about the people?
Just wondering.
Mark E. Williams

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"Len" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

According to you. Maybe you should increase your education. We have our
problems. Maybe we are the only superpower by default. Reagan spent for
Star Wars, and Gorbachev was smart enough to know he was bankrupt as a
country and had to accede to secondary status. Sort of like Europe at the
present time. Basically bankrupt. You can not afford the cradle to grave
socialism. In 20 years there will only be something like 2 working for
everyone on pension. The French government recognizes this predicament, but
trying to increase the amount of years that the workers have to work before
retirement, is causing massive public workers strikes. How often does the
transport unions call a strike? Look at the anti-immigrant bias. The
killing of a publisher in your country by a Muslim. What are the after
affects? You are a morally bankrupt region in look what you let go on in
Serbia / Albania. My mom is 90 years old. Twice in her lifetime, your
region has let despots involve the world in massive wars. And you call
yourself superior? While the UN sanctions on Iraq were in force, which
countries were selling goods under the table, including chemical warfare
components? Seems as it was mostly Europe. England still has an official
church. We have Christians wanting freedom to celebrate their religion
publicly. Same as the Muslims, Jews, etc do. Great thing about a
representative republic. we get to vote for most of the rule us.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Smith Smithers" wrote in message
...

Jim C.
You are wearing blinders if you don't think Canada benefits from a strong

US

Military.

The only benefit that is possible is that Canada sells some excellent
military equipment to the USA.


Those are US companies doing a nice thing for our norther friends by keeping
you employed.



Well...aren't you the 'Sugar Daddy'!

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Bert Robbins wrote:



Why do 95% of the Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border?


So they can repel any war mongering, aggressors...such as Fenian
invasion of 1800's.

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


You asking me if I'd rather a missle land on a foreign country, or on my
own countries soil...? Give me 5 seconds to think about that...


Actually, I asked you "Most of Canada a few miles north of the US border
is desolate tundra. Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come
down on New York?"

So, is it remote tundra or New York where you'd prefer to see that
missile fall?

--
Skipper

I've been across the country a number of times, both flying and by
train. I've yet to see this tundra you keep talking about.

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:21:07 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:


"Len" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

I agree. What you presented are not fact.

Sigh.
Fact: Reagan was accidentally in office when a true leader like
Gorbatsjow entered the circustent.
Fact: It was Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka
Fact: It was Gorbatsjow who caused things to happen. Reagan-fans tend
to place the emphasis on Reagan but please, gimme a break Gorbatsjow
was the only one capable of setting things in motion.
Fact: Reagan started serious overspending to please the campaign
supporting industries (Star Wars).
Fact: simultaneously: large tax reduction that would (in his advisors
dreams) would deminish the deficit. "Supply side economics", remember?
AKA Voodoo economics.
Fact: the remaining large deficit still exists and the rich became
richer.
Fact: The rep's won't raise taxes
Fact/deduction: therefore the democrats wil have to raise taxes to
lessen the risk of a totally bankrupted american economy.
Fact: By devaluation of the dollar the whole world pays for the
expensive evangelical risk-game of mr Bush.
(excuse me for adding a biased term in the end of the last sentence)

Regards, Len.

Actually the whole piece was bias.

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:


Care to support your claims with some proof?
Just because you say so does not make it fact.

(Yawn)
Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question.
But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary
to go on....
These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts.
You can look 'm up....

I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii)
What is a fact?
Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and
grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all
respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last
days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov.
Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it
did.

I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is.
The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so
bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and
become friends with the great world leader".
My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who
actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I
guess.... ....



You report them as facts, so it is up to you to support your thesis.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Why don't you paint a picture for us of an "Ugly American."

We, "Ugly Americans", will then respond with a poratriat of an Ugly
Canadian
and an Ugly European.

There was a book all about "The Ugly American". Below is a short
description of the book which coined the phrase.


The Ugly American
The multi-million-copy bestseller that coined the phrase for tragic
American
blunders abroad.

First published in 1958, The Ugly American became a runaway national
bestseller for its slashing exposé of American arrogance, incompetence,
and
corruption in Southeast Asia. Based on fact, the book's eye-opening
stories
and sketches drew a devastating picture of how the United States was
losing
the struggle with Communism in Asia.



that was not the question and you appear to have neither read the book or
seen the movie.

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Bill McKee wrote:
snip...
Sort of like Europe at the present time. Basically bankrupt. You can
not afford
the cradle to grave socialism. In 20 years there will only be something
like 2 working for
everyone on pension.
snip...

I don't think you can afford what your gov't is spending...
what was your deficit last year?
how much money does the US owe?