"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to
be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a
PWC
......... depends on the circumstances...............

Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was.....

PDW

Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and
someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your
investments.

Video on a jetski? Fat chance, and the video we get will be of a mosquito
running into our bow eye, and then dissapearing below the waves. The tape
will probably follow.

A sail boat cannot catch or get away from a jetski, and a dog would do
better to not catch a car.

Harrassment is harrassment. Why do you think we have a requirement for
boat licenses, now?

PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers.

Old sailors know how to stay away from tankers, mostley. How do you think
they got old? Tankers don't bother reporting smashed sailboats, or PWCs,
even if they do notice. Got the picture?

As Red Green says "Keep your stick on the ice." As I say, "Don't tug on
Superman's cape, and don't mess around with Jim."

Your widow will have to explain your stupidity to substantiate and justify
her claim for your rightfully lost income. My insurance will probably
cover it. Go ahead, be an ass hole.

Don't, for heavan's sake, even consider taking your smart pills. I tell
you this in the hope you will stubbornly and stupidly disobey me, for your
own good. We all love you, honest.

If you run between a sailboat and a side channel, the sailboat has the
right to turn from the main to the side channel, when and how appropriate,
considering currents and shallows and winds local to the sailboat, of
which you are probably completely unaware, and you better keep out of the
way, well clear overtaking, auxiliary engine charging batteries or not.
The wind steers a sailboat, and if you can't undersand that, you will wind
up in the Darwin Award list, along with all the other mental midgets. Food
for sea worms, Billy. Right, or just dead right, it probably won't matter
much to me.

An auxiliary engine in a sail boat cannot propel or control the boat in
the same way as do the sails in a wind. Engine on idle and neutral,
charging a radio battery, or running full blast foreward to assist
navigating a boat in the teeth of a gust, the sailor is struggling with
the wind, stealing a free ride for pleasure, and you are not allowed to
choose to try to slide by close and fast, unconcious in the hope that
nothing untoward will happen. A sailboat's auxiliary engine may have 15
HP, but the wind has thousands of wild horesepower available. As Captain
of your vessel, you are expected to undertand the realities of maritime
navigation, deep or shallow, sail and power, flying fish, whale, deadhead
or pedestrian swimmer / survivor. It is your responsibility to undertand
and act appropriately to avoid a collision if at all possible, right or
wrong, now and well in advance. The Logic Of The Universe will prevail.
Disobey Poseidon and die. Die anyway.

Dead or alive, sailboats have the right to essentially ignore most
pleasure power boats. Most of us would never purpously fly into cumulus
granitus, staute or mobile, afloat or sunk. Try it before you decry it.

Oh, I give up. Common sense isn't, and as a Samurai up against the
impossible, for relief, I invoke Godwin's law. You are a nazi asshole, you
are, and an insistant and stubborn, stupid, bullet headed one, to boot. I
quit. I didn't care, anyway. What's one more or less PWC?

Walk the plank. Kiss the gunner's mate. Suck the ocean. Feed the fish.
Marry Davey Jones. Say "Goodbye, Yank." H'Ri-Kiri would be such a relief,
please try it.

But at least it was on topic! Buy me a saki, you foreign devil, you;-)

NI!

Terry K


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned.

"Bill McKee" wrote
sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned.


Bill's rule #132.43 ?

Bill McKee wrote:

Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing
30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us
the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?

Would you care to tell us
the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?

As with all jet BOATS (PWC or otherwise)... when you completely let off of
the throttle you lose the majority of your steering capability. Not all..
but most. That's why PWC riders match their throttle position to their
speed, to maintain steering capability. Of course, the PWC manufacturers
realized that this was a shortcoming and invented things like OPAS
(Off-Power Steering Assist).

Sailboats on the other hand... well that's a sad story. When they become
becalmed or lose sail they lose all navigational abilities (short of firing
up their engines.. if they have them). They're nothing more than floating
buoys at the whim and will of the currents. And that's why, on a sadly
regular basis, they block navigation channels, run into piers and moorings,
and go aground. And that's also why I spend a substantial portion of my
boating season tugging these poor guys around the lake.... with my lowly
PWC.

After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:

Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world
be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control
it if you release the throttle?

Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a
credit rating.

Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water
lice were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman)
didn't know any better.

By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master
fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast
Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder
he had on board.

Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner



Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world
be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control
it if you release the throttle?


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is
not propelling equipment?

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a credit
rating.

Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water lice
were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman) didn't know
any better.

By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master
fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast
Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder
he had on board.

Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner



Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the
world be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your
motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn
According to Admiralty Law, and the Collision Regulations, you are correct
in saying that your vessel is a sailboat when the engine is running but not
propelling the vessel.

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield