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otnmbrd wrote:
On my boat, I would frequently start the engine to warm it up for anticipated maneuvers. However, because the shift lever tended to be a knee knocker and would get in the way, I would leave it stowed until the engine was needed for propulsion ...... so, yes, if the engine is not being used for actual propulsion, it's just that ..... an engine. Careful, you may have Bill M and some of the other motorheads ramming you and then suing you. DSK |
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DSK wrote in
: otnmbrd wrote: On my boat, I would frequently start the engine to warm it up for anticipated maneuvers. However, because the shift lever tended to be a knee knocker and would get in the way, I would leave it stowed until the engine was needed for propulsion ...... so, yes, if the engine is not being used for actual propulsion, it's just that ..... an engine. Careful, you may have Bill M and some of the other motorheads ramming you and then suing you. DSK BG Nowadays, I would be considered a "motorhead". Common sense says that until you know for an absolute certainty that a "sailboat" is also being propelled by machinery, assume it's a pure sailboat that's apt to tack and stay clear of it. (I'd always rather be the "giveway" boat, as I know what I'll do). otn |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . otnmbrd wrote: On my boat, I would frequently start the engine to warm it up for anticipated maneuvers. However, because the shift lever tended to be a knee knocker and would get in the way, I would leave it stowed until the engine was needed for propulsion ...... so, yes, if the engine is not being used for actual propulsion, it's just that ..... an engine. Careful, you may have Bill M and some of the other motorheads ramming you and then suing you. DSK It is the sailboat motor heads you need to worry about. |
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article et, otnmbrd wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message .net... "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right of way" over large ships. Mebbe, mebbe not. otn Who has "right of way"? Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the circumstances. EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC ......... depends on the circumstances............... Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was..... PDW Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments. |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article et, otnmbrd wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "otnmbrd" wrote in message thlink.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message arthlink.net... Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right of way" over large ships. Mebbe, mebbe not. otn Who has "right of way"? Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the circumstances. EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC ......... depends on the circumstances............... Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was..... PDW Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments. Video on a jetski? Fat chance, and the video we get will be of a mosquito running into our bow eye, and then dissapearing below the waves. The tape will probably follow. A sail boat cannot catch or get away from a jetski, and a dog would do better to not catch a car. Harrassment is harrassment. Why do you think we have a requirement for boat licenses, now? PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers. Old sailors know how to stay away from tankers, mostley. How do you think they got old? Tankers don't bother reporting smashed sailboats, or PWCs, even if they do notice. Got the picture? As Red Green says "Keep your stick on the ice." As I say, "Don't tug on Superman's cape, and don't mess around with Jim." Your widow will have to explain your stupidity to substantiate and justify her claim for your rightfully lost income. My insurance will probably cover it. Go ahead, be an ass hole. Don't, for heavan's sake, even consider taking your smart pills. I tell you this in the hope you will stubbornly and stupidly disobey me, for your own good. We all love you, honest. If you run between a sailboat and a side channel, the sailboat has the right to turn from the main to the side channel, when and how appropriate, considering currents and shallows and winds local to the sailboat, of which you are probably completely unaware, and you better keep out of the way, well clear overtaking, auxiliary engine charging batteries or not. The wind steers a sailboat, and if you can't undersand that, you will wind up in the Darwin Award list, along with all the other mental midgets. Food for sea worms, Billy. Right, or just dead right, it probably won't matter much to me. An auxiliary engine in a sail boat cannot propel or control the boat in the same way as do the sails in a wind. Engine on idle and neutral, charging a radio battery, or running full blast foreward to assist navigating a boat in the teeth of a gust, the sailor is struggling with the wind, stealing a free ride for pleasure, and you are not allowed to choose to try to slide by close and fast, unconcious in the hope that nothing untoward will happen. A sailboat's auxiliary engine may have 15 HP, but the wind has thousands of wild horesepower available. As Captain of your vessel, you are expected to undertand the realities of maritime navigation, deep or shallow, sail and power, flying fish, whale, deadhead or pedestrian swimmer / survivor. It is your responsibility to undertand and act appropriately to avoid a collision if at all possible, right or wrong, now and well in advance. The Logic Of The Universe will prevail. Disobey Poseidon and die. Die anyway. Dead or alive, sailboats have the right to essentially ignore most pleasure power boats. Most of us would never purpously fly into cumulus granitus, staute or mobile, afloat or sunk. Try it before you decry it. Oh, I give up. Common sense isn't, and as a Samurai up against the impossible, for relief, I invoke Godwin's law. You are a nazi asshole, you are, and an insistant and stubborn, stupid, bullet headed one, to boot. I quit. I didn't care, anyway. What's one more or less PWC? Walk the plank. Kiss the gunner's mate. Suck the ocean. Feed the fish. Marry Davey Jones. Say "Goodbye, Yank." H'Ri-Kiri would be such a relief, please try it. But at least it was on topic! Buy me a saki, you foreign devil, you;-) NI! Terry K |
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In article et,
otnmbrd wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message .net... "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right of way" over large ships. Mebbe, mebbe not. otn Who has "right of way"? Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the circumstances. EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC ......... depends on the circumstances............... Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was..... PDW |
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Bill McKee wrote:
.... Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments. Actually there was such a case in Maine a few years ago. The judge threw it out and the CG lost a lot of respect from the boating community. The sailor ended up with probation for "illegal storage." |
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Why do you think we have a requirement
for boat licenses, now? We do? Who does? Where? (Seriously, I missed that.) PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers. Well, I know that we non-stupid ones have campaigned successfully for mandatory education and certification for pwc operators, the results have been terrific (lower accident and injury statistics in the states that have these laws now, and better-informed, less-clueless newbies on the water, plus far fewer renters which are the source of a a huge proportion of pwc problems)....and that we also support and campaign for (less successfully so far) similar requirements for all other boaters as well for the same reasons. So, where is the boat licensing requirement in effect - and don't you think it's a good idea? Seems like a no-brainer to me. richforman |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message .. . Bill McKee wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article et, otnmbrd wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message link.net... "otnmbrd" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right of way" over large ships. Mebbe, mebbe not. otn Who has "right of way"? Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the circumstances. EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC ......... depends on the circumstances............... Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was..... PDW Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments. Video on a jetski? Fat chance, and the video we get will be of a mosquito running into our bow eye, and then dissapearing below the waves. The tape will probably follow. A sail boat cannot catch or get away from a jetski, and a dog would do better to not catch a car. Harrassment is harrassment. Why do you think we have a requirement for boat licenses, now? PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers. Old sailors know how to stay away from tankers, mostley. How do you think they got old? Tankers don't bother reporting smashed sailboats, or PWCs, even if they do notice. Got the picture? As Red Green says "Keep your stick on the ice." As I say, "Don't tug on Superman's cape, and don't mess around with Jim." Your widow will have to explain your stupidity to substantiate and justify her claim for your rightfully lost income. My insurance will probably cover it. Go ahead, be an ass hole. Don't, for heavan's sake, even consider taking your smart pills. I tell you this in the hope you will stubbornly and stupidly disobey me, for your own good. We all love you, honest. If you run between a sailboat and a side channel, the sailboat has the right to turn from the main to the side channel, when and how appropriate, considering currents and shallows and winds local to the sailboat, of which you are probably completely unaware, and you better keep out of the way, well clear overtaking, auxiliary engine charging batteries or not. The wind steers a sailboat, and if you can't undersand that, you will wind up in the Darwin Award list, along with all the other mental midgets. Food for sea worms, Billy. Right, or just dead right, it probably won't matter much to me. An auxiliary engine in a sail boat cannot propel or control the boat in the same way as do the sails in a wind. Engine on idle and neutral, charging a radio battery, or running full blast foreward to assist navigating a boat in the teeth of a gust, the sailor is struggling with the wind, stealing a free ride for pleasure, and you are not allowed to choose to try to slide by close and fast, unconcious in the hope that nothing untoward will happen. A sailboat's auxiliary engine may have 15 HP, but the wind has thousands of wild horesepower available. As Captain of your vessel, you are expected to undertand the realities of maritime navigation, deep or shallow, sail and power, flying fish, whale, deadhead or pedestrian swimmer / survivor. It is your responsibility to undertand and act appropriately to avoid a collision if at all possible, right or wrong, now and well in advance. The Logic Of The Universe will prevail. Disobey Poseidon and die. Die anyway. Dead or alive, sailboats have the right to essentially ignore most pleasure power boats. Most of us would never purpously fly into cumulus granitus, staute or mobile, afloat or sunk. Try it before you decry it. Oh, I give up. Common sense isn't, and as a Samurai up against the impossible, for relief, I invoke Godwin's law. You are a nazi asshole, you are, and an insistant and stubborn, stupid, bullet headed one, to boot. I quit. I didn't care, anyway. What's one more or less PWC? Walk the plank. Kiss the gunner's mate. Suck the ocean. Feed the fish. Marry Davey Jones. Say "Goodbye, Yank." H'Ri-Kiri would be such a relief, please try it. But at least it was on topic! Buy me a saki, you foreign devil, you;-) NI! Terry K Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill's rule #132.43 ? |
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Bill McKee wrote:
Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control it if you release the throttle? |
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Would you care to tell us the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control it if you release the throttle? As with all jet BOATS (PWC or otherwise)... when you completely let off of the throttle you lose the majority of your steering capability. Not all.. but most. That's why PWC riders match their throttle position to their speed, to maintain steering capability. Of course, the PWC manufacturers realized that this was a shortcoming and invented things like OPAS (Off-Power Steering Assist). Sailboats on the other hand... well that's a sad story. When they become becalmed or lose sail they lose all navigational abilities (short of firing up their engines.. if they have them). They're nothing more than floating buoys at the whim and will of the currents. And that's why, on a sadly regular basis, they block navigation channels, run into piers and moorings, and go aground. And that's also why I spend a substantial portion of my boating season tugging these poor guys around the lake.... with my lowly PWC. After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control it if you release the throttle? Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. |
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Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a
credit rating. Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water lice were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman) didn't know any better. By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder he had on board. Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner Bill McKee wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control it if you release the throttle? Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. |
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And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is
not propelling equipment? "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a credit rating. Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water lice were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman) didn't know any better. By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder he had on board. Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner Bill McKee wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control it if you release the throttle? Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in
ink.net: "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. Show proof as to why. otn |
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"Bill McKee" wrote Better do a little research. OH , THE IRONY !!!!!!!! SBV |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn According to Admiralty Law, and the Collision Regulations, you are correct in saying that your vessel is a sailboat when the engine is running but not propelling the vessel. James D. Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
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at least it was on topic!
NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K |
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Terry,
Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K |
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"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. But, that's not what the rules actually say. They are quite explicit, the propulsion machinery must be used. A sailboat warming up its engine, or running it to charge batteries, is still a sailboat. OTOH, if they failed to use it to avoid a collision, they'd have some explaining to do. But that's the case whether or not it was running. Further, the sailboat's responsibilities are its concern. It's your responsibility to treat a vessel that looks like a sailboat as a sailboat. That includes not passing within 15 feet at 25 mph. |
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next.victim wrote:
.. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request Bill is one of those 'know it alls' that can never admit their own ignorance. Captain Nemo himself couldn't convince him the difference between 'stand on' and 'giveway'. The only safe solution is a lifelong ban from operating a power boat on public waterways. He should think about re-locating to Derby, Kansas where he'd have all the roadside ditches and farm ponds to himself....that is unless Skipper decides to buy another boat. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net... "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Read the nav rules.... you're wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Read the nav rules.... you're wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com And the motor is not a propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
LOL! here's one of my favorite threads about boaters AND jet-ski'rs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...77853f26 193c |
Jet Ski overheating problem
Wow - this is amazing.
Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
Wow - this is amazing.
Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Wow - this is amazing. Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Bill, like I said before, you need to read the Collision Regulations before you ask dumb questions like you are asking. All of the answers for your questions can be found in the Collision Regulations. You, perhaps, should take a Power Squadron course so that they can help you understand how to read the regulations so that your questions don't even need to be asked. Well, anyway Bill, read Rule 18 for the answer to your question. If you don't understand rule 18, then perhaps you might give up boating and just watch it on TV. Jim C. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Technically correct, but, once again I send you to rule 2 otn |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Jim Carter" wrote in message .. . "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn And a stupid guy who is motoring with his sails up is going to run day signals or lights? LOL! |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? How old are you Bill? Are you still in grade school? Do you have trouble reading? Are you a little bit stupid? Do you have a copy of the Collision Regulations in front of you so you can actually read them? If you do, try this. Go to the page where is shows "Rule 3". Then read section (a) Got that Bill? Tell me what is written there. Then tell me if you understand what that means. Now go to section (b), and tell me what you see in this section. Do you understand what this means? Finally, go to section (c) and read this. Understand what you have just read and can you explain it to your simple brain? If not, then go take a safe boating course, because, you need one. Jim C. |
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