Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants. Just keep him away from the legislators or else he will start
calling for direction signals (that he probably does not use in his pick
up) and brake lights (how we get brakes is yet to be determined).
If you think people like this are a not to be carefully watched over by
a competent adult, remember that in several states it is now non-lawful
to be on the foredeck underway.
Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licnesed Mariner and Congenital Sailor

Roger Derby wrote:
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
m...

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
...

Jeff wrote in
news:sLmdnZfD9Kl0rPHenZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast .com:


proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .

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Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

I give all boats I encounter as wide a berth as possible, and I'm always
conscious of my wake. If I think I am close enough to rock some guy
anchored in a fishing boat or trolling, I slow down. I usually cut
across the stern of sailboats. It doesn't cost anything to be careful
and courteous out on the water.

If only you could practice that kind of courtesy in this NG, rather than
restricting it to your cyberboating.

Not to worry, Adolf; I won't be driving, walking, or boating through the
roadside ditches of Derby, Kansas, anytime soon, so you and your rubber
ducky are safe.

I chose not to believe you've regressed into this confused,
mean-spirited, hate-filled bigot you present. I prefer to remember you
as that ill-informed fellow we all knew a few years ago. Witnessing your
fading skills is heart wrenching, Krause. Would like to see you recover
and talk boats once again...unrealistic as that hope might be.

--
Skipper

For Bill McKee
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb
this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section called Schedule 1
(sections 3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions"
Rule 3 part # ( c )
The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand
what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you,
in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written
"propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend
what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in
your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the
clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.

Do you understand that when the sailboats motor is running, it is in use.
Just because it is in neutral, does not negate that it is in use. You
better do a little case law research.

Bill, go back and read what is written in the Collision Regulations. I
have tried to make your feeble brain understand what is written, but you
are
too dense to comprehend the regulations. Admiralty Law, in this
definition of "sailing vessel" has been set by precedence. Period!
There
is no argument with set law! Did you get that Bill? If not, keep
rereading until you can comprehend.

Jim C.



So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the motor is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
"P Fritz" not only made a boating post, but it actually makes some sense!


15 feet might be a little close but...

Oh really? Do you think that passing another boat only 15 feet away is
perfectly safe & normal? Especially when you have hundreds of yards, if
not miles, of open water to pass much further away?

...the wake that a power boat on plane produces is smaller and faster,
the
sailboat gets a quick nudge when the wake hits the hull.
...the wake of a power boat pushes running a what most people assume to
be
no-wake speed will bounce the sail boat around much harsher.

Which wake do you want to encounter?


That depends very much on the boat, the boater, and the surrounding
conditions. On open water I don't see any reason at all for a motorboat to
come with 15 feet of me. It's rude.


P Fritz wrote:
It also depends on the size and displacement of the boat. A small ski
type
boat is going to throw up little wake on plane compared to a 35 ft
cruiser.


You got that right. It doesn't even have to be 35 feet... many planing
cuddy boats, especially deep-vee hulls, leave a steep & ugly wake at full
throttle. Yet the drivers are convinced that they are doing you a favor by
passing close at full speed instead of slowing down.

ALL boaters should remember that they are responsible... and for a
motorboat, the wake is part of that responsibility. You are as much
responsible for the wake made by your boat as you would be for a bullet
you fired from a gun.

Fair Skies
Doug King


Then why do sailboats come within 15' of a boat drift fishing? Or even
anchored?

For Bill McKee
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Jim Carter wrote:


Bill, go back and read what is written in the Collision Regulations. I
have tried to make your feeble brain understand what is written, but you
are
too dense to comprehend the regulations. Admiralty Law, in this
definition of "sailing vessel" has been set by precedence. Period!
There
is no argument with set law! Did you get that Bill? If not, keep
rereading until you can comprehend.

Jim C.


Maybe we should take a collection and send Bill to a Power Squadron
course.
I'm sure his fellow boaters would thank us.

Motor running, power boat. How is that sailboat going to prove he did not
have the motor in gear, or that any forward motion was not from the
propeller? In other words, under your definition, the sailboat kicks the
tranny into neutral, just before he hits another boat without sails. He is
not responsible as he was a sailboat? Better not try it.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

Bill McKee wrote:
So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the motor is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong.



I think I see where Bill M gets his wrong idea

Here
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ing/6_2_b1.htm

it says "Note: when a sailboat has its motor running, it is considered a
power driven vessel"

But that is not correct. If you look almost anywhere else

https://www.boater101.com/Course/doc...Manual2004.pdf

http://www.cruising.ca/docs/colreg.html
"A sailboat propelled by machinery is a Motorboat (including motorsailing)."

http://www.auxetrain.org/colregs.html
"(b) The term "power driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery.

(c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used."

And this is either the official wording or pretty darn close.

http://www.boats.com/reeds/jsp/rn_ch_1_i_a.jsp#a5

http://www.dirauxwest.org/NavRules/colregs.htm


Now pay attention... a power vessel is propelled by machinery. In other
words, engine running, in gear. A sailing vessel may be "using" her
engine for ballast if the thing hasn't run in 10 years, but it is NOT
propelling the boat.

In other words, if the engine of a sailboat is propelling the vessel,
whether her sails are up or not, she is a power vessel with regard to
the ColRegs. If the engine is running but out of gear, charging the
batteries, heating the water for a shower, making a smokescreen... if
the engine is not propelling the boat, in either forward or reverse, it
is a sailing vessel.

See
http://www.ansa.org/training/ROR-200...planations.pdf

You're welcome.

Doug King

PS I really don't expect any of the hard-core motorheads to admit
they're wrong, they never do. But that doesn't change the facts & I hope
they don't kill somebody trying to prove it.

For Bill McKee... Hey! Look Everybody
 

Bill McKee wrote:
Then why do sailboats come within 15' of a boat drift fishing? Or even
anchored?


When was the last time a sailboat did so at 20+ knots? When was the last
time a sailboat made a large wake too close to another boat? Obviously
part of your problem is resentment against sailboats.

Personally, as a curtesy I keep away from boats that are fishing. For
one thing, I don't like monofilament wrapped around my keel or rudder.
If our course is such that I have a reason to pass them close, like say
for example they pulled to a stop and thew lines out right in front of
me (which has happened dozens of times) then I will try to pass them to
leeward where the lines are not.

I have even given up a place in a race once or twice to give reasonable
passing distance for fishing boats, although I know a number of other
racers are far less curteous.

Now what do you suggest about fishermen who think that a racing mark
makes a handy place to tie up & fish a while, then scream bloody murder
at the sailboats as they zip by very close (6" is about right).

DSK

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the motor
is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong.



I think I see where Bill M gets his wrong idea

Here
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ing/6_2_b1.htm

it says "Note: when a sailboat has its motor running, it is considered a
power driven vessel"

But that is not correct. If you look almost anywhere else

https://www.boater101.com/Course/doc...Manual2004.pdf

http://www.cruising.ca/docs/colreg.html
"A sailboat propelled by machinery is a Motorboat (including
motorsailing)."

http://www.auxetrain.org/colregs.html
"(b) The term "power driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
machinery.

(c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used."

And this is either the official wording or pretty darn close.

http://www.boats.com/reeds/jsp/rn_ch_1_i_a.jsp#a5

http://www.dirauxwest.org/NavRules/colregs.htm


Now pay attention... a power vessel is propelled by machinery. In other
words, engine running, in gear. A sailing vessel may be "using" her
engine for ballast if the thing hasn't run in 10 years, but it is NOT
propelling the boat.

In other words, if the engine of a sailboat is propelling the vessel,
whether her sails are up or not, she is a power vessel with regard to
the ColRegs. If the engine is running but out of gear, charging the
batteries, heating the water for a shower, making a smokescreen... if
the engine is not propelling the boat, in either forward or reverse, it
is a sailing vessel.

See
http://www.ansa.org/training/ROR-200...planations.pdf

You're welcome.

Doug King

PS I really don't expect any of the hard-core motorheads to admit
they're wrong, they never do. But that doesn't change the facts & I hope
they don't kill somebody trying to prove it.

Thanks Doug. I just don't understand how Bill could not be able to
understand the Collision Regulations. Perhaps he has dyslexia. That
would explain his lack of comprehension.

Jim C.

For Bill McKee
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message news:zZ6df.7758
So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the motor is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong.


Bill, please cite the regulation where I am wrong.

Jim C.

For Bill McKee
 

The motor is running. The boater can easily put it in gear. Therefore
motor boat. Are you trying to say that a "powerboat" that has his engine
off is not a powerboat? Better look futher in to boatsafe.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message news:zZ6df.7758
So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the motor is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong.


Bill, please cite the regulation where I am wrong.

Jim C.

For Bill McKee... Hey! Look Everybody
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
Then why do sailboats come within 15' of a boat drift fishing? Or even
anchored?

When was the last time a sailboat did so at 20+ knots? When was the last
time a sailboat made a large wake too close to another boat? Obviously
part of your problem is resentment against sailboats.

Personally, as a curtesy I keep away from boats that are fishing. For one
thing, I don't like monofilament wrapped around my keel or rudder. If our
course is such that I have a reason to pass them close, like say for
example they pulled to a stop and thew lines out right in front of me
(which has happened dozens of times) then I will try to pass them to
leeward where the lines are not.

I have even given up a place in a race once or twice to give reasonable
passing distance for fishing boats, although I know a number of other
racers are far less curteous.

Now what do you suggest about fishermen who think that a racing mark makes
a handy place to tie up & fish a while, then scream bloody murder at the
sailboats as they zip by very close (6" is about right).

DSK


Lot of 10 knot boats in SF bay.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the
motor
is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong.



I think I see where Bill M gets his wrong idea

Here
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ing/6_2_b1.htm

it says "Note: when a sailboat has its motor running, it is considered a
power driven vessel"

But that is not correct. If you look almost anywhere else

https://www.boater101.com/Course/doc...Manual2004.pdf

http://www.cruising.ca/docs/colreg.html
"A sailboat propelled by machinery is a Motorboat (including
motorsailing)."

http://www.auxetrain.org/colregs.html
"(b) The term "power driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
machinery.

(c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used."

And this is either the official wording or pretty darn close.

http://www.boats.com/reeds/jsp/rn_ch_1_i_a.jsp#a5

http://www.dirauxwest.org/NavRules/colregs.htm


Now pay attention... a power vessel is propelled by machinery. In other
words, engine running, in gear. A sailing vessel may be "using" her
engine for ballast if the thing hasn't run in 10 years, but it is NOT
propelling the boat.

In other words, if the engine of a sailboat is propelling the vessel,
whether her sails are up or not, she is a power vessel with regard to
the ColRegs. If the engine is running but out of gear, charging the
batteries, heating the water for a shower, making a smokescreen... if
the engine is not propelling the boat, in either forward or reverse, it
is a sailing vessel.

See
http://www.ansa.org/training/ROR-200...planations.pdf

You're welcome.

Doug King

PS I really don't expect any of the hard-core motorheads to admit
they're wrong, they never do. But that doesn't change the facts & I hope
they don't kill somebody trying to prove it.

Thanks Doug. I just don't understand how Bill could not be able to
understand the Collision Regulations. Perhaps he has dyslexia. That
would explain his lack of comprehension.

Jim C.

Now you idiots know why there are admiralty courts. Your interpretation of
the rules, regulations and laws differs from Bill's and it isn't going to be
resolved here.

But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless of
whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Now you idiots know why there are admiralty courts. Your interpretation of
the rules, regulations and laws differs from Bill's and it isn't going to
be
resolved here.

But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless of
whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.


Good Morning Bert. Do you also have problems with reading the Collision
Regulations? Do you not have a copy of them so you could read it yourself?

The definitions of "sailing vessel" has been established by the Admiralty
Courts and their ruling is in place in the Collision Regulations for all to
see.

Jim C.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:

Now you idiots know why there are admiralty courts. Your interpretation of
the rules, regulations and laws differs from Bill's and it isn't going to be
resolved here.

But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless of
whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.


Is this still going on?
Unless I'm mistaken...the sailboat that got Bile Bill all in a tizzy was
a Hobie Cat...which doesn't usually carry an outboard.
If anyone has his full personal details, they should forward it to the
closest US Power Squadron. He's an accident waiting to happen on his
home waters. For the sake of fellow boaters everywhere...let's get this
character educated.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:

Now you idiots know why there are admiralty courts. Your interpretation
of the rules, regulations and laws differs from Bill's and it isn't going
to be resolved here.

But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless
of whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.
Is this still going on?
Unless I'm mistaken...the sailboat that got Bile Bill all in a tizzy was a
Hobie Cat...which doesn't usually carry an outboard.
If anyone has his full personal details, they should forward it to the
closest US Power Squadron. He's an accident waiting to happen on his home
waters. For the sake of fellow boaters everywhere...let's get this
character educated.

You are wrong on engine running not being a power boat and the type of
sailboat that nearly hit me. Was an about 25' boat, coming out of a side
channel on the motor. Putting up sails and motor is still running and makes
a 90 degree turn almost into me. Get your facts straight!

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Matt Colie
wrote:

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants.

Yeah, ok. I was going to ask him where on the planet you're allowed to
drive at 200 to 300 mph a couple feet away from a vehicle travelling at
50 mph, but that'd no doubt go over his head too.

Let's hope he argues with a big ship.

PDW

Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right
of way" over large ships.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless of
whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.


Hmm... and if a sailboat has an engine in working order, it can be
started by turning the key to avoid a collision.

A sailboat with an engine that doesn't work should get it fixed, so a
collision that could have been avoided by using it is (according to your
stupid theory) *still* at fault.

A sailboat with no engine installed and no possible way to have one
whould be banned from the water, since clearly having an engine is vital
for avoiding collisions, therefor they can be run down with impunity.

In other words, you're wrong.

If the boat's engine is running *and in gear* the according to the
rules, it is a powerboat.

DSK

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right
of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bert Robbins wrote:
But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless
of
whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.


Hmm... and if a sailboat has an engine in working order, it can be
started by turning the key to avoid a collision.

A sailboat with an engine that doesn't work should get it fixed, so a
collision that could have been avoided by using it is (according to your
stupid theory) *still* at fault.

A sailboat with no engine installed and no possible way to have one
whould be banned from the water, since clearly having an engine is vital
for avoiding collisions, therefor they can be run down with impunity.

In other words, you're wrong.

If the boat's engine is running *and in gear* the according to the
rules, it is a powerboat.

DSK


Bert and Bill = dumb and dumber.

Jim C.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article , Matt Colie
wrote:

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants.

Yeah, ok. I was going to ask him where on the planet you're allowed to
drive at 200 to 300 mph a couple feet away from a vehicle travelling at
50 mph, but that'd no doubt go over his head too.

Let's hope he argues with a big ship.

PDW

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bert Robbins wrote:
But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless
of whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.

Hmm... and if a sailboat has an engine in working order, it can be started
by turning the key to avoid a collision.

No.

A sailboat with an engine that doesn't work should get it fixed, so a
collision that could have been avoided by using it is (according to your
stupid theory) *still* at fault.

Yes, it the boat has the equipment aborard it should be in working
condition.

A sailboat with no engine installed and no possible way to have one whould
be banned from the water, since clearly having an engine is vital for
avoiding collisions, therefor they can be run down with impunity.

That is a possibility :)

In other words, you're wrong.

NO, "wrong" is the operator of a sailboat that has an engine running and is
pretending to be sailing trying to operate under the rules of being a
sailboat. Either your are a sailboat operating under sail or you are a
sailboat operating with an running engine, in this case you are a powerboat
regardless as to how many sails you have deployed.


If the boat's engine is running *and in gear* the according to the rules,
it is a powerboat.

I agree with this statement.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bert Robbins wrote:
But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless
of
whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.


Hmm... and if a sailboat has an engine in working order, it can be
started by turning the key to avoid a collision.

A sailboat with an engine that doesn't work should get it fixed, so a
collision that could have been avoided by using it is (according to your
stupid theory) *still* at fault.

A sailboat with no engine installed and no possible way to have one
whould be banned from the water, since clearly having an engine is vital
for avoiding collisions, therefor they can be run down with impunity.

In other words, you're wrong.

If the boat's engine is running *and in gear* the according to the
rules, it is a powerboat.

DSK


Bert and Bill = dumb and dumber.

Jim = Frozen Brain.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

If the boat's engine is running *and in gear* the according to the rules,
it is a powerboat.


Bert Robbins wrote:
I agree with this statement.


Hey, you're half way there.

DSK

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
I agree with this statement.

The only thing that you got right!
Jim c.

For Bill McKee... is your motor running?
 

Jim Carter wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Bert Robbins wrote:

But, if the rag merchant has sails up and the engine running regardless

of

whether it is in neutral or not he is a powerboat due to the fact that
propelling machinery can be used to avoid the collision.


Hmm... and if a sailboat has an engine in working order, it can be
started by turning the key to avoid a collision.

A sailboat with an engine that doesn't work should get it fixed, so a
collision that could have been avoided by using it is (according to your
stupid theory) *still* at fault.

A sailboat with no engine installed and no possible way to have one
whould be banned from the water, since clearly having an engine is vital
for avoiding collisions, therefor they can be run down with impunity.

In other words, you're wrong.

If the boat's engine is running *and in gear* the according to the
rules, it is a powerboat.

DSK



Bert and Bill = dumb and dumber.

Jim C.


Quite the odd couple!

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Bill McKee wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
hlink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn



Who has "right of way"?


Need more info.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Bill McKee" wrote

And I am not a sailboater


That is blatantly obvious.

SBV

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Bill McKee" wrote


Who has "right of way"?


No one.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Gary" wrote in message
news:Qyaef.503816$1i.444733@pd7tw2no...
Bill McKee wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
thlink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn



Who has "right of way"?
Need more info.

Trick question. There is no "right of way".

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Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC
.......... depends on the circumstances...............

otn

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote


Who has "right of way"?


No one.



Bingo!

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Who has "right of way"?


No one.



Bill McKee wrote:
Bingo!


Is that your excuse for running into sailboats?

DSK

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DSK wrote:


Is that your excuse for running into sailboats?

DSK

Bile Bill appears to be one of those boaters who thinks might is
right...that whoever has the biggest engine claims 'right of way'.

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Don White wrote:
DSK wrote:


Is that your excuse for running into sailboats?

DSK

Bile Bill appears to be one of those boaters who thinks might is
right...that whoever has the biggest engine claims 'right of way'.

Its all a matter of perspective. Powerboats doing 30 knots are
looking a mile ahead, and since that's only 120 seconds of their time,
they assume that the relationships are fixed at that point. The
sailors doing 4 knots are only looking 200 yards ahead and never see
the powerboat. Bill keeps talking about the other boat turning 15
feet in front of him, but doesn't consider that when the turn started
he was probably a half mile away.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
Don White wrote:
DSK wrote:

Is that your excuse for running into sailboats?

DSK

Bile Bill appears to be one of those boaters who thinks might is
right...that whoever has the biggest engine claims 'right of way'.

Its all a matter of perspective. Powerboats doing 30 knots are looking a
mile ahead, and since that's only 120 seconds of their time, they assume
that the relationships are fixed at that point. The sailors doing 4
knots are only looking 200 yards ahead and never see the powerboat. Bill
keeps talking about the other boat turning 15 feet in front of him, but
doesn't consider that when the turn started he was probably a half mile
away.


That's a damned good explanation.



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If you voted for Bush, you are to blame.

Actually the sailboat was a powerboat. And did a 90 degree in about a boat
length. And if you are a sailboat on San Francisco bay, you better be
looking more than 200 yards.

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Bill McKee wrote:
Actually the sailboat was a powerboat.

Not unless it's propelling machinery was in use.

This is not the same thing as the engine running & out of gear.

.... And did a 90 degree in about a boat
length.

What were you doing passing him within a boat length at such a speed
that you could not avoid him? Sounds pretty unsafe.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
Actually the sailboat was a powerboat.

Not unless it's propelling machinery was in use.

This is not the same thing as the engine running & out of gear.


It's motor is propelling machinery. And you are going to argue that as long
as the gear shift is in neutral, it is not propelling machinery.

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Bill McKee wrote:
It's motor is propelling machinery.

Does the motor running, all by itself, make the boat move?

DSK

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"Bill McKee" wrote in
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
Actually the sailboat was a powerboat.

Not unless it's propelling machinery was in use.

This is not the same thing as the engine running & out of gear.


It's motor is propelling machinery. And you are going to argue that
as long as the gear shift is in neutral, it is not propelling
machinery.



On my boat, I would frequently start the engine to warm it up for
anticipated maneuvers.
However, because the shift lever tended to be a knee knocker and would get
in the way, I would leave it stowed until the engine was needed for
propulsion ...... so, yes, if the engine is not being used for actual
propulsion, it's just that ..... an engine.

otn