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Terry Spragg November 4th 05 01:07 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.



What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn
from main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance
because a zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with
power, speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable
legal signal of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels
make horn signals adequate for listening and watching sailors
inaudible aboard kilowatt stereo disco boats? Or would such
unauthorized lighting distract starlet eyed go boaters from their
fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn
into the wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power
boat with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they
have forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered
birds of similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the
secret rabid detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions
and undeniable mad obsession with reach ramming power boats who so
foolishly come so close as to make possible such sweet, aching
temptation to chisel yet another notch in their stems, and well know
to stay away, as they should from a starved tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's
have topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates
deliver them to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual
horror overtake them, woe by tides and drift the planing challenged
fume less speed boater who dallies wake less long enough for the
long plotting sailors' pack to organize, isolate, surround and
subsume their deserving victims, should Poseidon aid them and grant
conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves,
surely their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without
trace, like diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and
gallopless killer whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of
triumph, the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K


Tony November 4th 05 02:52 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Hi Terry
I guess from your post that you dont like power boaters :-)

Power boaters are like car drivers who crash into buses when they stop at
bus stops and then complain that the bus should not have stopped!
Sailboats are always unpredictable by their nature so I can never understand
why so many powerboaters have to overtake sooo close even when there is
plenty of searoom

Tony uk


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.



What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K




Bill McKee November 4th 05 04:16 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.



What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K


And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 04:58 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
The colregs do. Did you actually go to the link? I bet you didn't.


Well, have a great evening... I'm outta here until tomorrow
evening. Guess I'll go sailing and see if there are any jetskiers out
there who know the rules of the road.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Better not get in front of a tanker. Your posting will come back to haunt
you.


Which posting is that?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 04:59 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. I did not go to the site.
AS YOU STATED BOTH Colregs and your "Rules of the Road" for legality. So
you "Rules of the Road" are nada as to concern. It may be a restatement or
interpretation of the Colregs, but other than that they are meaningless.


Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:10 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to name calling when it
suited his own purposes.


Poor Billy... he's got a lot of anger. Please join us in feeling sorry
for him.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:10 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.


He didn't. He's just trolling someone else from alt.sailing.asa.

Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118





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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:11 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.


Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

No, just stating the obvious.


Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:12 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.


No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:14 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?


Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:16 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Thank you for confirming what I thought was obvious. It's too bad that
Bill and many others have the mistaken belief that their power boats have
the "right of might" over sailing vessels.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield



The boat being overtaken has to continue in the same general direction,
allowing the safe passing. Review the Colregs. Maybe not an exact straigh
line.


Suggestion: read the colregs again. general direction????



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:18 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzt: Sailboat made a bad move. Prove I was not paying attention, and that
an illegal direction change while being overtaken did not cause the
accident.


Bzzzzt... it doesn't matter. You need to be prepared to avoid the
stand-on boat. Being 15 ft away at 25 MPH (and why are you using
MPH????) is being unprepared.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:19 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I may get a minority of the blame, but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT
OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT! He gets the majority of the fault.


Suggestion: Don't bet on it.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:21 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
DSK wrote:
Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:

Doug,
Do you have any idea how narrow many channels are?
Take a look at the majority of the St. Law. Seaway.


Actually, that's VERY wide as channels go. Are you suggesting that you
cannot manage to drive your boat along a course and keep it within 100
yards or so of where it should be?

Are you also suggesting that going SLOW when close to other boat traffic
is not an option?


Don't know about St. Lawrence, but were we sail, the channel can be
less than 30 ft. wide in spots.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:23 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article .com,
wrote:
I share these anecodtes in an ongoing effort to continue to try to
dispel and counteract the untrue, invalid, unfair, uninformed,
stereoptyped, outdated ideas about personal watercraft and their
operators, the things we do and the way we use our boats these days,
that are apparently being clung to and perpetrated by some posters here
and elsewhere. I don't know if it'll do any good, I don't know if some
of you guys have open-enough minds to admit that maybe you're wrong and
should give the issue an honest reconsideration, but it won't stop me
from trying.


Sure, and we've given assistance to them also. What does this have to
do with noise and pollution?

You really need to get a grip.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:25 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article . com,
wrote:
Huh? I don't, if you think that's some kind of angle.

richforman


Ding, Ding!!! You win the shortest-post- of-yours-for-this-thread
award!!

Keep up the good work!!



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:26 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

Was up to you to show the regs.


Done did it dude... you just didn't look.



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:27 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.

Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.


Bzzt. A tanker hit the San Raphael bridge earlier this year avoiding a
boat. The boat is and has been held liable. Look at the SFCG site, and you
will probably find the info.

Bzzt. A freighter ran aground somewhere back east avoiding a boat earlier
this year. You will have to google up that one.


Sure thing. I could be wrong. And, now, back to you to answer the many
questions you have chosen to avoid answering.....




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:29 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I assume you own a small, cheap sailboat. And the 40' was the fishing boat
if you go back and try to read for comprehension. And as to majority if
fault. The sailboat gets it. They did not continue in a line while being
overtaken. You better re read the Colregs.


You would assume wrong. I don't currently own a boat. Keep trying to
insult me. It might work, you never know. Typical PWCer.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz November 4th 05 05:30 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Jon "owned" a small cheap sailboat, but he didn't love sailing enough to even do
what it would have taken to keep that boat, which he got for FREE. He now has NO
boat. He's a talker.


Nope. Cost me $75. Wrong again.

Please tell us why you're so angry. It's really hurtful for you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:33 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?


Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:34 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. I did not go to the
site.
AS YOU STATED BOTH Colregs and your "Rules of the Road" for legality.
So
you "Rules of the Road" are nada as to concern. It may be a restatement
or
interpretation of the Colregs, but other than that they are meaningless.


Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



I see why you are a "Duhhh". First, you refer to both the Colregs and a
separate "rules of the road". Now you try to state there are only one set
of rules of the road. Get your act together.



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:36 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

No, just stating the obvious.


Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:39 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the
biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they
are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.


No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim. You
do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change
lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:40 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Thank you for confirming what I thought was obvious. It's too bad that
Bill and many others have the mistaken belief that their power boats
have
the "right of might" over sailing vessels.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield



The boat being overtaken has to continue in the same general direction,
allowing the safe passing. Review the Colregs. Maybe not an exact
straigh
line.


Suggestion: read the colregs again. general direction????



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Read the Colregs. Article 13 section a) i) I think from memory.



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:41 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.

Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.


Bzzt. A tanker hit the San Raphael bridge earlier this year avoiding a
boat. The boat is and has been held liable. Look at the SFCG site, and
you
will probably find the info.

Bzzt. A freighter ran aground somewhere back east avoiding a boat earlier
this year. You will have to google up that one.


Sure thing. I could be wrong. And, now, back to you to answer the many
questions you have chosen to avoid answering.....




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



You are always wrong.



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:42 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I assume you own a small, cheap sailboat. And the 40' was the fishing
boat
if you go back and try to read for comprehension. And as to majority if
fault. The sailboat gets it. They did not continue in a line while being
overtaken. You better re read the Colregs.


You would assume wrong. I don't currently own a boat. Keep trying to
insult me. It might work, you never know. Typical PWCer.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Such anger. The judge prohibit you from boat ownership?



Bill McKee November 4th 05 06:43 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Jon "owned" a small cheap sailboat, but he didn't love sailing enough to
even do
what it would have taken to keep that boat, which he got for FREE. He now
has NO
boat. He's a talker.


Nope. Cost me $75. Wrong again.

Please tell us why you're so angry. It's really hurtful for you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.



Dr. Dr. Smithers November 4th 05 11:50 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Bill,

If there was an accident and you were doing 25 mph within 15 ft. of another
boat, in a narrow channel, even if the other boat changed direction on a
whim, you would most likely be found partially responsibility for the
accident.


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the
biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they
are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.


No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim.
You do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You
change lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?




Jeff November 4th 05 01:03 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Bill McKee wrote:
....

And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

And where do the ColRegs assign any "rights" to a vessel being
paddled? Are you one of those who think kayaks have some special
rights over other boats?

(And yes, I know that a number of states do give this privilege to
human powered vessels in waters not covered by the ColRegs and Inland
Rules.)




Brian Whatcott November 4th 05 01:10 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:34:43 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. ////

Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.


"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



I see why you are a "Duhhh".



Hmmm...I am not thrilled by this thread. Reminds me of the obsessive
compulsive style sometimes attributed to too early or strict toilet
training. I even heard that too much participation in this kind of
thing, leads to the desire to sit the LSAT - then, before you know
what hit you, you are in a two year evening class law school, and you
have a JD after your names, counsellors.

You have been warned.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Jeff November 4th 05 01:45 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

....

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?


Happens all the time in narrow channels.


Are you Crazy??? Please tell us which waterway its customary to do 25
mph within 15 feet of another vessel underway. I've seen pwc's do
this, but that could explain why they are reviled by most other boaters.


And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim. You
do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change
lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?


Bad analogy, Bill. On the highway everyone has the same purpose, and
traveling in a consistent manner serves the collective purpose.
Boaters have to remember that every other boater has a different
agenda and is seeing the world in a different way. When that sailboat
started preparing to turn you were half a mile away, possibly even on
a different course. Your insistence that he turned 15 feet in front
of you simply proves that that you're the one who was cluelessly
assuming that the world revolves around your desires.



Don White November 4th 05 01:54 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Bill McKee wrote:


And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?


Bill..wouldn't you be happier getting rid of that boat and buying an
ATV? You could tear around the desert with no rules to follow, no one
to answer or whine to. Think about it.

DSK November 4th 05 01:57 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Bill McKee wrote:
And if they are all going in the same direction, there is no problem.
It is when an idiot like you decides that the world revolves around
you and can change direction on a whim.


Nobody is changing directions "on a whim." The fact that you don't
understand a thing about sailboats, sailing, or indeed much of anything
apparently, makes it all very mysterious & whimsical to you.


... You do this on the freeway
also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change lanes on a whim? On
your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?



Jeff wrote:
Bad analogy, Bill.


A very bad analogy, and one that further proves my point that Bill & "Dr
Dr" and most of the rest are hopeless. They think driving a boat is like
driving a car. Any point based on seamanship, maritime principles, etc
etc, are all far above their comprehension.

I wonder how long they spent looking for the brake pedal in their boat.


... Your insistence that he turned 15 feet in front of
you simply proves that that you're the one who was cluelessly assuming
that the world revolves around your desires.


And that he was too close & too fast in the first place, but he's
already dismissed that inconvenient fact. Besides, there aren't any
yellow or white lines painted on the water, so who's to know which way
you're supposed to go? That darn sailboat didn't even have his turn
signal on!

DSK


Skipper November 4th 05 02:01 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Funny story: I called tech support for a bit of help and before I got
the tech guy, I got a bit of bilingual voice mail. Well, the English
was fine, but the French wasn't even recognizable as French. In fact,
I thought it was some Scandinavian language.


Perhaps it was Harryspeak, 10% blather and 90% bull schit.

--
Skipper

Don White November 4th 05 02:25 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bill McKee wrote:

And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries
sails, he should have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my
powerboat, should I not have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill..wouldn't you be happier getting rid of that boat and buying an
ATV? You could tear around the desert with no rules to follow, no one
to answer or whine to. Think about it.



I'm betting $1.00 he has an ATV and does just that.

BTW, my NAD amp arrived. Canadian company. Funny story: I called tech
support for a bit of help and before I got the tech guy, I got a bit of
bilingual voice mail. Well, the English was fine, but the French wasn't
even recognizable as French. In fact, I thought it was some Scandinavian
language.


Oh oh! I have trouble with the 'regular French'. I know the Acadian
version is slightly different from the Quebec version, which might be a
bit different from Parisian French.

Skipper November 4th 05 02:32 PM

Lobsta Boat Revelations
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps it was Harryspeak, 10% blather and 90% BS.


Speaking of b.s. (and that is your first language), several years ago
you claimed you sold your old Crappyliner so you and the missus could
move to the left coast, buy a bluewater trawler and spend your days
carrying tostitos from Mexico to Alaska. But you're still living in
Dumfoch, Kansas. Care to explain?


Perhaps we can work at trade. Post a picture of that fab lobster boat or
admit you've been lying about it for years and I'll tell you about the
boat.

--
Skipper

Skipper November 4th 05 02:39 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Don White wrote:

Oh oh! I have trouble with the 'regular French'. I know the Acadian
version is slightly different from the Quebec version, which might be a
bit different from Parisian French.


The Parisian version is easy; nous nous rendons!

--
Skipper

Skipper November 4th 05 02:44 PM

Lobsta Boat Revelations
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps we can work at trade. Post a picture of that fab lobster boat or
admit you've been lying about it for years and I'll tell you about the
boat.


My answer is the same as it has been for years, and it isn;t going to
change.


As soon as I see a genuine obituary for you in the Wichita paper, I'll
publish the photo.


Why did you change the subject, Jerkbait?

--
Skipper

Dr. Dr. Smithers November 4th 05 03:34 PM

Skippy's Fantasies
 
Harry,
How is your fabulous Lobster Boat? There's no need for you to answer. You
don't have a Lobster Boat, you have never had a Lobster Boat, you are never
going to buy a Lobster Boat, and you will die without ever even walking on a
Lobster Boat.

The difference between Skipper and you, is Skipper has never claimed to have
purchased a Trawler, has never posted pictures of his trawler being built,
has never posted a sound wave of a Truck Horn saying it was on the Lobster
Boat, and then make up a fictitious individual to verify you actually owned
and were using your Lobster Boat on the Chesapeake Bay. The problem is you
are too stupid to understand your IP remains the same, even if you log on
under a different name.

Harry, you have relished in proving people wrong, whenever they make an
incorrect assumption concerning you, you went as far as mailing Chuck a copy
of your bill of sale on your Parker. When you and JohnH were buddies, you
invited him onto your Parker, but even though he said he would enjoy seeing
your Lobster Boat, you keep that hidden from him.

Only an idiot would believe you actually own a Lobster Boat, and while they
may not admit it, I am sure Don and Chuck don't believe your Lobster Boat
story anymore than anyone else.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps it was Harryspeak, 10% blather and 90% BS.


Speaking of b.s. (and that is your first language), several years ago
you claimed you sold your old Crappyliner so you and the missus could
move to the left coast, buy a bluewater trawler and spend your days
carrying tostitos from Mexico to Alaska. But you're still living in
Dumfoch, Kansas. Care to explain?


Perhaps we can work at trade. Post a picture of that fab lobster boat or
admit you've been lying about it for years and I'll tell you about the
boat.

--
Skipper


My answer is the same as it has been for years, and it isn;t going to
change.

As soon as I see a genuine obituary for you in the Wichita paper, I'll
publish the photo.

There's no need for you to answer. You don't have a boat, you haven't
moved to the coast, you aren't going to be buying a trawler, and you'll
die in Derby, Kansas.

Derby, Kansas. Jesus. How did you end up in the Wichita metro area? I
mean, I know it is a great place for bigots, but was that the draw?





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