Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have
to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue
in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Bill. A sailboat is still a sailboat, even if the motor is running. It
has to be in gear with the propulsion machinery in motion to be classified
as a power boat. There are many reasons for a sailboat to have the motor
running and not in gear. Recharging batteries, running a motor driven
pump
or other on board device not pertaining to the propulsion of the vessel.

You are still at fault for being too fast and too close if you collide
with
the sailboat. Do you not have enough brain power to comprehend this?

Jim C.



He was not a sailboat. Motor running, not a sailboat. If I put up a little
sail, and go along at 50 miles per hour in a gofast boat, and kick it in to
neutral just before I ram another boat, it is ok? I am now a sail boat.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Roger Derby" wrote in message
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Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved
in a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .


Then you clip the distribution list. I only reply all.

For Bill McKee
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have
to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue
in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Bill. A sailboat is still a sailboat, even if the motor is running.
It
has to be in gear with the propulsion machinery in motion to be
classified
as a power boat. There are many reasons for a sailboat to have the
motor
running and not in gear. Recharging batteries, running a motor driven
pump
or other on board device not pertaining to the propulsion of the vessel.

You are still at fault for being too fast and too close if you collide
with
the sailboat. Do you not have enough brain power to comprehend this?

Jim C.



He was not a sailboat. Motor running, not a sailboat. If I put up a
little
sail, and go along at 50 miles per hour in a gofast boat, and kick it in
to
neutral just before I ram another boat, it is ok? I am now a sail boat.

Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section os Scedual 1 (sestions
3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions" (c )

The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you, in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written "propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.

For Bill McKee
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have
to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue
in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Bill. A sailboat is still a sailboat, even if the motor is running.
It
has to be in gear with the propulsion machinery in motion to be
classified
as a power boat. There are many reasons for a sailboat to have the
motor
running and not in gear. Recharging batteries, running a motor driven
pump
or other on board device not pertaining to the propulsion of the
vessel.

You are still at fault for being too fast and too close if you collide
with
the sailboat. Do you not have enough brain power to comprehend this?

Jim C.



He was not a sailboat. Motor running, not a sailboat. If I put up a
little
sail, and go along at 50 miles per hour in a gofast boat, and kick it in
to
neutral just before I ram another boat, it is ok? I am now a sail boat.

Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb
this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section os Scedual 1
(sestions
3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions" (c )

The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you,
in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written "propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the
clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.



Do you understand that when the sailboats motor is running, it is in use.
Just because it is in neutral, does not negate that it is in use. You
better do a little case law research.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This


I guess most sailboaters are idiot then

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote ...

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed.

I generally agree, however there was one occasion when I felt justified passing
within several feet of another boat while on plane. Coming down the Rogue River
there was a drift boat anchored at the head of a pool just below a rapids.
Coming off plane would have meant hitting rocks and possibly the other boat.
Maintaining speed and control allowed safe passage.

-rick-

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This
with emphasis when there is a huge relative speed difference. You're
ignoring all the other bits of the Colregs - did you sound the
appropriate signals and get an acknowledgement? No? Were you travelling
at a speed that enabled you to avoid collision in the event of an
unexpected change of course? Only just and that by good luck. There are
a lot of reasons why a sailboat may change course, running into shoal
water being just one of them.

You are dangerously ignorant and a menace to other watercraft. I saw an
idiot just like you the other day go at high speed right between 2
boats drift fishing when he had some 5 nautical miles of width to pick
from. There is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. If I'd been on the
sailboat, I'd have reported you for endangering my vessel.

PDW

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

For Bill McKee
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb
this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section called Schedule 1
(sections 3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions"
Rule 3 part # ( c )
The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand
what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you,
in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written "propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend
what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in
your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the
clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.

Do you understand that when the sailboats motor is running, it is in use.
Just because it is in neutral, does not negate that it is in use. You
better do a little case law research.

Bill, go back and read what is written in the Collision Regulations. I
have tried to make your feeble brain understand what is written, but you are
too dense to comprehend the regulations. Admiralty Law, in this
definition of "sailing vessel" has been set by precedence. Period! There
is no argument with set law! Did you get that Bill? If not, keep
rereading until you can comprehend.

Jim C.

For Bill McKee
 

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb
this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section called Schedule 1
(sections 3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions"
Rule 3 part # ( c )
The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand
what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you,
in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written
"propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend
what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in
your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the
clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.

Do you understand that when the sailboats motor is running, it is in use.
Just because it is in neutral, does not negate that it is in use. You
better do a little case law research.

Bill, go back and read what is written in the Collision Regulations. I
have tried to make your feeble brain understand what is written, but you
are
too dense to comprehend the regulations. Admiralty Law, in this
definition of "sailing vessel" has been set by precedence. Period!
There
is no argument with set law! Did you get that Bill? If not, keep
rereading until you can comprehend.

There is always argument with law regardless of whether there is precedent
or "set law", whatever that means.

Too many times I have seen a "sailboat" with a sail kind of half assed up
but the motor is in the water and you can see the propellor's trail and
these idiots think they are "under sail." These are the people that give the
rest of you rag merchants a bad name.