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*JimH* wrote:
..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?

Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered.

First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on
the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA.

That brings us down to 30-feet.

Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured.
In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather
exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48"
swim step.

Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra
large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on
application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA.

No doubt they'll
catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the
model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they
look at the boat.


Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5
footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6".

So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for
$130,000.

How attractive it that?



Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that
describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat.

Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in
unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats.

If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck?



BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have
two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae
shoulders.


I never said anything to the contrary.

My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider.

*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:

..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?

Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered.

First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on
the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA.

That brings us down to 30-feet.

Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured.
In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather
exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48"
swim step.

Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra
large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on
application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA.


No doubt they'll

catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the
model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they
look at the boat.



Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5
footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6".

So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for
$130,000.

How attractive it that?



Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that
describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat.


Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in
unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats.

If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck?



BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have
two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae
shoulders.



I never said anything to the contrary.

My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider.



*Jim*, you might want to take another vacation. I don't think Chuck was
arguing with you.

He *did* address the use of a bowrider in "open water", etc. by simply
saying "Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather".

Why are you picking a fight here?

Dan

"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:

..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?

Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered.

First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on
the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA.

That brings us down to 30-feet.

Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured.
In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather
exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48"
swim step.

Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra
large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on
application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA.


No doubt they'll

catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the
model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they
look at the boat.



Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a
31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6".

So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all
for $130,000.

How attractive it that?



Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that
describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat.


Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in
unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats.

If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck?



BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have
two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae
shoulders.



I never said anything to the contrary.

My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider.



*Jim*, you might want to take another vacation. I don't think Chuck was
arguing with you.

He *did* address the use of a bowrider in "open water", etc. by simply
saying "Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather".


You are correct.

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?

Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered.

First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on
the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA.

That brings us down to 30-feet.

Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured.
In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather
exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48"
swim step.

Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra
large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on
application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA.

No doubt they'll
catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the
model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they
look at the boat.


Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5
footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6".

So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for
$130,000.

How attractive it that?



Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that
describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat.

Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in
unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats.

If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck?


Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather?

I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes
thing.


BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have
two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae
shoulders.


I never said anything to the contrary.

My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider.

And my point was that if you examine what you're being shown, it's
really a 26-foot boat with an oversized swimstep.

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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?

Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered.

First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on
the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA.

That brings us down to 30-feet.

Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured.
In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather
exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48"
swim step.

Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra
large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on
application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA.

No doubt they'll
catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the
model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they
look at the boat.


Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a
31.5
footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6".

So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all
for
$130,000.

How attractive it that?



Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that
describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat.

Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in
unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats.

If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck?


Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather?

I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes
thing.


Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY.

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?

Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered.

First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on
the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA.

That brings us down to 30-feet.

Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured.
In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather
exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48"
swim step.

Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra
large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on
application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA.

No doubt they'll
catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the
model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they
look at the boat.


Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a
31.5
footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6".

So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all
for
$130,000.

How attractive it that?



Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that
describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat.

Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in
unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats.

If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck?


Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather?

I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes
thing.


Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY.

Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not
rogue waves. The tourist boat tragedy in NY could have been prevented
if the boat were properly staffed. (The owner was trying to get by
cheap and not hire the two crew members the CG required him to have).
With two additional crew members, the skipper would have been more
likely to maintain adequate "situational awareness" and adjust course
so that he didn't take that huge wake directly on the beam. If nothing
else, the port or starboard watch could say, "You do see that huge wake
approacing, right?"

*JimH* wrote:

Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY.

That boat that capsized was a 30' bowrider???

If you keep it in a marina, you might pay for a few extra feet that
Crownline decided to market it as. I'd rather let a marina see the
number 261LS than 316LS before they quoted me a price. That piece of
bigger is better marketing might cost me 5 more feet or almost 20%
more.

John

My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider.


No, your problem *is* that you're a whiny little troll in desperate need of
a life. Was hoping your recent dramatic exit from here was the start of a
journey in pursuit of same. Apparently it was cut short. Suggest you
resume at earliest opportunity.

And, at very little risk of being out on a limb, I feel more than
comfortable believing that the marketing types at Crownline have a much more
accurate bead on the domestic boat market than you could ever hope to have,
based on the sum total of boating knowledge you have demonstrated to this
group.

*JimH* wrote:

..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!

http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg

http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg

A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking?



A little big for me, they make nice boats. i guess if someone wants a
big dayboat with some little cabin features it would appeal. Or if they
want a bowrider on a very busy like like Lake-of-the-Ozarks and don't
want to be beat to death on the weekends.

I had been by my local Crownline dealer a couple of times in the last
few months, they didn't have this there. Would have been interesting to
look at. But it way to big for my wants.

Capt Jack R..