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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
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Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'm probably a prude, but I don't think a shirt emblazoned with the 'F...' word
is appropriate public wear either!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

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Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


I'm probably a prude, but I don't think a shirt emblazoned with the 'F...'
word
is appropriate public wear either!

I agree.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."

Love the sig. line.

Ronald Reagan

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"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Your freedon of speech ends when you move from your property or public
property to someone's private property.

The airline is private property, being that it is not owned by the/a
government, and the airline can make the rules and regulations regarding how
its customers present themselves and conduct themselves while on the
airline's private property.

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Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
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The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the "word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can set
their own standards.

Eisboch

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
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The woman was right; the airline was wrong.
The airline was right; the woman was a liberal whacko who didn't have the
brains to keep her political views and her foul mouth to herself when out in
public. She got what she deserved.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
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The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Yes..........I would defend the idiot woman's right to wear a shirt like
that in any public space, but a private company has the right to establish
their own standards......no different that demanding a coat and tie......no
shorts etc.

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Harry Krause wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you, are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your own
jet.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



I see harry is part of the "tolerant" left..........LMAO

His true colors show once again.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
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The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

In my opinion, the airline was correct in their decision to not allow the
woman on the flight. It's the airline's plane and it is privately owned.
In a public place, the woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants to
wear.

Jim

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Jim Carter wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html
The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

In my opinion, the airline was correct in their decision to not allow the
woman on the flight. It's the airline's plane and it is privately owned.
In a public place, the woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants
to
wear.

Jim



Did you notice the survey results on the referenced web site? When I
checked it, 51% agreed with the airline, 49% agreed with the woman (out of
over 6,000 respondents).

What was the popular vote percentages of the last POTUS election? Sounds
familiar.

Eisboch

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JiminFl,
she was not kicked off for her political statement, she was kicked off for
profanity. I could care less if she wanted to look like trailer trash, but
she would have offended just as many democrats as republicans.


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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 09:55:58 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Your freedon of speech ends when you move from your property or public
property to someone's private property.

The airline is private property, being that it is not owned by the/a
government, and the airline can make the rules and regulations regarding
how its customers present themselves and conduct themselves while on the
airline's private property.

A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private property",
and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think not, think
if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The question is one of
obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have been, it *is*
probably protected speech.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can set
their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to San
Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the way
back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I asked
one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control their
brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.

I've got a topper for you. Just after takeoff from Las Vegas to Atlanta the
woman behind me thru up all over the back of my seat. Fortunately it didn't
reach me but the smell was horrible. As soon as the flight attendant was
free I asked her to talk to the (copilot flight engineer) and turn up the
exchange for the air conditioning system to get the smell out of the cabin
as I and I'm sure others were feeling queasy. She explained that there was
no air exchange from outside air for the entire 5 hour trip. I bit my
tongue, thought about how to put it so I wouldn't embarrass her and couldn't
think of a way to explain that we were all going to die in about 40 minutes
as that's all the oxygen the cabin had. sigh Needless to say I'm still
alive.

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Does that include nothing?
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html
The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

In my opinion, the airline was correct in their decision to not allow the
woman on the flight. It's the airline's plane and it is privately owned.
In a public place, the woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants
to
wear.

Jim

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"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Does that include nothing?

Yes it does! Well, that is if you live in Ontario Canada. It is not
illegal to appear nude, in public, in this province.

Jim in Canada.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Been on a plane lately? Many airlines have cut back on their schedules and
have every set on every plane pretty much packed or even oversold. On each
leg of our flights to and from Hawai'i, passengers were asked if they
would be willing to give up their seats for a "bonus," and then take a
later flight. And the planes are configurated to pack as many of them on
as possible. We were on an Airbus 320 for much of the way out to the
islands, and it was just plain miserable in terms of passenger room.

We packed our own food for the trip out to Hawai'i. Two homemade
sandwiches each, fresh fruit, cookies, and an assortment of drinks, all
packed into a portable softside cooler that stashed in the overhead. The
airline was selling nondescript sandwiches for $5 each, and they didn't
look all that good.

It would be nice if the airlines concentrated on being decent quality
service industries, instead of worrying about the shirts their passengers
wear.


No debate there. I haven't flow commercially in over three years and,
unless it was an emergency and I had no other choice, I don't ever intend to
fly commercially again. It's not just the lousy seats and service. I
don't trust the planes and the people that operate and maintain them, even
though I realize that US based airlines have an excellent safety record.

Pilots don't "fly" a modern airplane. They manage the flight plan and
automated cockpit operations.

Mrs. E has no problem hopping on a plane to fly to Florida. I either drive
or don't go.

Or take a boat.

Eisboch

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JIm,
But I bet Air Canada would not allow one to fly nude.


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"JIMinFL" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Does that include nothing?

Yes it does! Well, that is if you live in Ontario Canada. It is not
illegal to appear nude, in public, in this province.

Jim in Canada.

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JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

This woman was interviewed by a local radio station. As always, there
are two sides to the question.

Yes, she was wearing a shirt that said "Meet the F*ckers". She was
wearing that shirt when she bought her ticket, checked in at the gate,
sat for an hour or two waiting to board the plane and nobody said a
word to her about "airline standards" or whether the shirt was
appropriate attire for flying. She claims that she engaged in a
personal conversation with one of the stewardesses at the gate, and
that nothing was said about her shirt.

Apparently after she boarded the plane a couple of women passengers
happened to notice the T shirt and complained to the stewardess that
they found the slogan offensive. The stewardess approached the
passenger, and asked her if she had a jacket she could put on, or some
other means of covering the shirt. The passenger agreed to cover the
shirt with one of the airline blankets, as she was planning to take a
nap anyway. According to the passenger's story on the radio, she
covered the shirt with a blanket and went to sleep. While she was
sleeping, the blanket "slipped" enough to expose at least part of the
shirt.

She was kicked off the plane when it landed at in intermediate stop.
According to the passenger, the stewardess who told her she would have
to get off the plane also assured her she would get a refund for her
ticket. (Her fare has never been refunded).

As a private business, the airline has the right to set standards for
its passengers. The woman was wrong, but the airline brewed a tempest
in a tea pot.
Had she been given the oppportunity to "adjust" the blanket to restore
coverage of the offensive shirt, I think she porbably would have done
so. If the airline want to say, "We won't sell you a ticket unless you
swear you'll vote a straight
Republican ballot in the next election", that would be its right and
privilege to do so.

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As bad as it is, it is still the safest mode of transportation.


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wrote:


Been on a plane lately? Many airlines have cut back on their schedules
and have every set on every plane pretty much packed or even oversold. On
each leg of our flights to and from Hawai'i, passengers were asked if
they would be willing to give up their seats for a "bonus," and then take
a later flight. And the planes are configurated to pack as many of them
on as possible. We were on an Airbus 320 for much of the way out to the
islands, and it was just plain miserable in terms of passenger room.

We packed our own food for the trip out to Hawai'i. Two homemade
sandwiches each, fresh fruit, cookies, and an assortment of drinks, all
packed into a portable softside cooler that stashed in the overhead. The
airline was selling nondescript sandwiches for $5 each, and they didn't
look all that good.

It would be nice if the airlines concentrated on being decent quality
service industries, instead of worrying about the shirts their passengers
wear.


No debate there. I haven't flow commercially in over three years and,
unless it was an emergency and I had no other choice, I don't ever intend
to fly commercially again. It's not just the lousy seats and service. I
don't trust the planes and the people that operate and maintain them, even
though I realize that US based airlines have an excellent safety record.

Pilots don't "fly" a modern airplane. They manage the flight plan and
automated cockpit operations.

Mrs. E has no problem hopping on a plane to fly to Florida. I either
drive or don't go.

Or take a boat.

Eisboch

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Chuck,
You do have a tendency to go to the extremes when reviewing a situation.


wrote in message
ups.com...
.. If the airline want to say, "We won't sell you a ticket unless you
swear you'll vote a straight
Republican ballot in the next election", that would be its right and
privilege to do so.

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According to the airline spokeswoman, Heasley was asked to leave after she
refused to cover up her T-shirt, an account that conflicts with Heasley's
version in the Gazette-Journal.

Heasley told the newspaper that she agreed to cover her shirt with a
sweatshirt, but it slipped as she slept. After she was ordered to wear her
T-shirt inside-out or leave, she and her husband chose to leave, the paper
said.

The 32-year-old lumber saleswoman said in the report that no one from
Southwest said anything about the shirt while she waited near the gate at
Los Angeles International Airport, nor did anyone mention the shirt as she
boarded the aircraft.

"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
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Chuck,
You do have a tendency to go to the extremes when reviewing a situation.


wrote in message
ups.com...
. If the airline want to say, "We won't sell you a ticket unless you
swear you'll vote a straight
Republican ballot in the next election", that would be its right and
privilege to do so.

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"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
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As bad as it is, it is still the safest mode of transportation.



Statistically speaking only, meaning number of passengers moved times miles
traveled. Airlines have a huge mathematical advantage in miles traveled.

The safest is crawling backwards on your hands and knees from the departure
gate with your ticket refund in your teeth.

The most efficient (not necessarily safest) mode of transportation is a bus.

Eisboch

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"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
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JIm,
But I bet Air Canada would not allow one to fly nude.

You would win the bet!

Jim

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:38:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



The most efficient (not necessarily safest) mode of transportation is a
bus.


How do you define, "efficient?"

--


Fuel used to move X passengers X miles.

I should have been more specific.

Eisboch

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"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL"
wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


I'm probably a prude, but I don't think a shirt emblazoned with the
'F...' word
is appropriate public wear either!

I find public displays of the f word extremely offensive. She didn't "think
it would bother anyone." What f-ing planet does she live on! Forget the
politics, it's an inappropriate display that can incite conflict between
passengers. I wouldn't say anything to the dumbass, but I'd sure want to.
Someone else might not keep their mouth shut and therein lies the potential
for conflict over dumbass behavior. The airline has a right to set the
limits of social behavior on their flights. It's not a freedom of speech
issue. It's a flight safety issue. And even if someone decides it's a
freedom of speech issue, she's still a dumbass.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
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The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

That's backwards.

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Richard,
What is the most efficient mode of transportation?


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:38:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



The most efficient (not necessarily safest) mode of transportation is a
bus.


How do you define, "efficient?"

--


Fuel used to move X passengers X miles.

I should have been more specific.

Eisboch

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Walking is efficient.

Hmmm ....

Assuming things work out, it's a long walk back from FL to CT.

Or were you planning to stay for the winter?

Eisboch

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


The woman was right; the airline was wrong.
Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.

Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:37:46 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

I
don't trust the planes and the people that operate and maintain them, even
though I realize that US based airlines have an excellent safety record.

Yeah, but will it continue with maintenance being outsourced.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...intenance.html

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like that
in mixed company including young children old enough to read and senior
citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda. Whew,
it stinks!

Eisboch

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"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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In a public place, the woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants
to
wear.

Jim




Does that include nothing?

Technically, that should be the case. Simple nudity should be considered as
nothing special, but there's no such thing as simple nudity. So the
practical answer should be no. Personally, I don't want to see most of us
naked in public; but that's just me.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 09:55:58 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Your freedon of speech ends when you move from your property or public
property to someone's private property.

The airline is private property, being that it is not owned by the/a
government, and the airline can make the rules and regulations regarding
how its customers present themselves and conduct themselves while on the
airline's private property.

A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private property",
and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think not, think
if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The question is one of
obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have been, it *is*
probably protected speech.

Not all speech is protected under all circumstances.

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It is very common for babies to have trouble equalizing when flying.


"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


The woman was right; the airline was wrong.
Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.

Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.

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Harry,
Since babies do have trouble equalizing and can be in pain when flying, it
appears you are doing a bit of projecting.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


The woman was right; the airline was wrong.
Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable
of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.

Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own
crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy
your own
jet.

Eisboch


Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these
two brats would not shut up the entire trip.

Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.

No, the most likely explanation is that they have incompetent parents.

It could happen to you.
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that.


And the mudrats on your plane were simply exercising their right to free
speech and expression.

So what's the problem?

Eisboch

It could happen to you.
 

Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.


The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing
helps equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.

It could happen to you.
 

Harry,
Are you encouraging the use of corporal punishment?
Sounds very "liberal" of you.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines
can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i
to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable
of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all
the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either
control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more
offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own
crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy
your own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these
two brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.

The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing helps
equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.


You're assuming the kids were in pain, and the parents did give them
plenty to drink. I'm assuming the parents were obnoxious. In fact, they
were on the continuation of the flight to Minneapolis, and the person who
was sitting next to them INSISTED that her seat be moved far away from the
brats. The mother of the kids said in a snarly voice, "This woman has an
issue with my children." At that point, I piped up and said, "You're the
issue, mother of the year. Control your kids."

If I had carried on like that for as long as those kids did, my father
would have threatened to put me into low-earth orbit. My father never hit
me, but he was a sturdy fellow and very strong. I took him seriously.

These weren't infants, by the way. They were toddlers. And they were
whining in the terminal too, before the continuation of the flight.

It could happen to you.
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 09:55:58 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Your freedon of speech ends when you move from your property or public
property to someone's private property.

The airline is private property, being that it is not owned by the/a
government, and the airline can make the rules and regulations regarding
how its customers present themselves and conduct themselves while on the
airline's private property.

A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private property",
and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think not, think
if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The question is one of
obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have been, it *is*
probably protected speech.

If everytime someone with purple hair walks into my business he robs me then
what I am I to do? Keep letting people with purple hair into my business?