It could happen to you.
 

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:03:57 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote in message
...
JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html




The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the "word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Amen.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

I think the woman should have been stopped at security before she boarded
the plane. Maybe the employees that she slipped by were as morally
challenged as you and didn't think anything of it. I feel badly for the poor
airline personnel that had to deal with this problem.
The lady got what she deserved.


wrote in message
ups.com...

JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL"
wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt
with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

This woman was interviewed by a local radio station. As always, there
are two sides to the question.

Yes, she was wearing a shirt that said "Meet the F*ckers". She was
wearing that shirt when she bought her ticket, checked in at the gate,
sat for an hour or two waiting to board the plane and nobody said a
word to her about "airline standards" or whether the shirt was
appropriate attire for flying. She claims that she engaged in a
personal conversation with one of the stewardesses at the gate, and
that nothing was said about her shirt.

Apparently after she boarded the plane a couple of women passengers
happened to notice the T shirt and complained to the stewardess that
they found the slogan offensive. The stewardess approached the
passenger, and asked her if she had a jacket she could put on, or some
other means of covering the shirt. The passenger agreed to cover the
shirt with one of the airline blankets, as she was planning to take a
nap anyway. According to the passenger's story on the radio, she
covered the shirt with a blanket and went to sleep. While she was
sleeping, the blanket "slipped" enough to expose at least part of the
shirt.

She was kicked off the plane when it landed at in intermediate stop.
According to the passenger, the stewardess who told her she would have
to get off the plane also assured her she would get a refund for her
ticket. (Her fare has never been refunded).

As a private business, the airline has the right to set standards for
its passengers. The woman was wrong, but the airline brewed a tempest
in a tea pot.
Had she been given the oppportunity to "adjust" the blanket to restore
coverage of the offensive shirt, I think she porbably would have done
so. If the airline want to say, "We won't sell you a ticket unless you
swear you'll vote a straight
Republican ballot in the next election", that would be its right and
privilege to do so.

It could happen to you.
 

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:35:52 GMT, Don White wrote:

Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.


The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing
helps equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.

Sometimes. Many times, in a rapid ascent or descent, simply swallowing will not
equalize. It's very hard to get a kid to close mouth, hold nose and pop
eardrums.

I flew back from Korea (14 hours) on a plane with 25 infants on their way to
meet there adoptive parents in the USA. The infants were cared for by about 5 or
6 ladies who tried their hardest to keep them satisfied. But, if one started
crying, the rest started crying. It was not a fun flight.

When the plane landed, we all gave the poor women a big round of applause. They
deserved it!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

JohnH,
It looked like your fellow passengers understood the situation much better
than Harry.


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:35:52 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable
of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own
crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy
your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these
two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.


The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing
helps equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.

Sometimes. Many times, in a rapid ascent or descent, simply swallowing
will not
equalize. It's very hard to get a kid to close mouth, hold nose and pop
eardrums.

I flew back from Korea (14 hours) on a plane with 25 infants on their way
to
meet there adoptive parents in the USA. The infants were cared for by
about 5 or
6 ladies who tried their hardest to keep them satisfied. But, if one
started
crying, the rest started crying. It was not a fun flight.

When the plane landed, we all gave the poor women a big round of applause.
They
deserved it!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:48:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like that
in mixed company including young children old enough to read and senior
citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda. Whew,
it stinks!

Eisboch


Thanks. That's appreciated.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:10:17 -0400, "Starbuck's Words of Wisdom"
wrote:

JohnH,
It looked like your fellow passengers understood the situation much better
than Harry.


Yup!


--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 09:55:58 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Your freedon of speech ends when you move from your property or public
property to someone's private property.

The airline is private property, being that it is not owned by the/a
government, and the airline can make the rules and regulations
regarding
how its customers present themselves and conduct themselves while on
the
airline's private property.

A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private
property",
and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think not,
think
if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The question is one
of
obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have been, it *is*
probably protected speech.

Not all speech is protected under all circumstances.

A "public accomodation" is still private property, and the owners have
the right to set standards.......otherwise you would not be able to have
dress codes etc.........as usual the liebrals are barking up the wrong tree

It could happen to you.
 

"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
Harry,
Since babies do have trouble equalizing and can be in pain when flying,
it
appears you are doing a bit of projecting.

They probably took one look at harry, and realized he was going to be on
the flight ;-)



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
...
JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


The woman was right; the airline was wrong.
Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was
the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines
can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i
to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple
incapable
of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all
the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup.
I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either
control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane.
She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more
offense
than anyone's shirt.

Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to
you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own
crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy
your own
jet.

Eisboch


Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these
two brats would not shut up the entire trip.

Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.

No, the most likely explanation is that they have incompetent parents.

It could happen to you.
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like that
in mixed company including young children old enough to read and senior
citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda. Whew,
it stinks!

Eisboch

In a private residence or business, there are limitations to the right
of free speech. While the Constitution allows one to speak freely in a
public place, a householder or a private business does have a right to
set standards for speech and other forms of expression within the
environs of the home, private club, or business.

This was the same principle used during the last campaing for POTUS.
The R's declared all of their political rally's "private" events, and
therefore had (and excercised) the right to prohibit protest at
campaign rallys. This whole story seems faintly similar to that
incident where a guy was thrown out of a Bush rally for wearing a "John
Kerry" T-shirt. When asked to cover it up, he did- but shortly
thereafter was thrown out anyway........

It could happen to you.
 

It could happen to you.
 

PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

It could happen to you.
 

On 9 Oct 2005 17:31:20 -0700, wrote:


Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like that
in mixed company including young children old enough to read and senior
citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda. Whew,
it stinks!

Eisboch

In a private residence or business, there are limitations to the right
of free speech. While the Constitution allows one to speak freely in a
public place, a householder or a private business does have a right to
set standards for speech and other forms of expression within the
environs of the home, private club, or business.

This was the same principle used during the last campaing for POTUS.
The R's declared all of their political rally's "private" events, and
therefore had (and excercised) the right to prohibit protest at
campaign rallys. This whole story seems faintly similar to that
incident where a guy was thrown out of a Bush rally for wearing a "John
Kerry" T-shirt. When asked to cover it up, he did- but shortly
thereafter was thrown out anyway........

As he should have been.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

Eisboch wrote:
Did you notice the survey results on the referenced web site? When I
checked it, 51% agreed with the airline, 49% agreed with the woman (out of
over 6,000 respondents).

What was the popular vote percentages of the last POTUS election? Sounds
familiar.


Sounds like a mandate to boot the woman off the plane at 35,000 feet.

DSK

It could happen to you.
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Did you notice the survey results on the referenced web site? When I
checked it, 51% agreed with the airline, 49% agreed with the woman (out
of
over 6,000 respondents).

What was the popular vote percentages of the last POTUS election? Sounds
familiar.


Sounds like a mandate to boot the woman off the plane at 35,000 feet.

As long as you are pre-breathing O2 for one our before takeoff.

It could happen to you.
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that.


And the mudrats on your plane were simply exercising their right to free
speech and expression.

So what's the problem?

Eisboch

Also, you don't have to look at a tee-shirt; it is easy enough to avoid.

Not necessarily so.

You cannot avoid the damned noise these brats made. I would have stuck one
of the parents and both kids in the rest room after an hour of non-stop
whining and crying.

Even before I had kids of my own, I was sympathetic to the parents of
children who had difficulty flying. I was never sympathetic to cranky old
men who interact socially as if they had to carry a mouthful of tart lemon
wherever they go. I'm sorry you had a rough flight. I'm also sorry for the
parents of the crying children who probably had a rougher flight based on
your description.

It could happen to you.
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.
The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing helps
equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.

I swear I'm not attacking you personally, Harry, but I can't pass this one
by, .... maybe the parents should have given Harry a drink or two.

It could happen to you.
 

PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

It could happen to you.
 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:40:41 GMT, "Bryan" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that.


And the mudrats on your plane were simply exercising their right to free
speech and expression.

So what's the problem?

Eisboch

Also, you don't have to look at a tee-shirt; it is easy enough to avoid.

Not necessarily so.

You cannot avoid the damned noise these brats made. I would have stuck one
of the parents and both kids in the rest room after an hour of non-stop
whining and crying.

Even before I had kids of my own, I was sympathetic to the parents of
children who had difficulty flying. I was never sympathetic to cranky old
men who interact socially as if they had to carry a mouthful of tart lemon
wherever they go. I'm sorry you had a rough flight. I'm also sorry for the
parents of the crying children who probably had a rougher flight based on
your description.


Be nice. Imagine being Harry and unable to call anyone names or bash Bush all
the way from Honolulu to Minneapolis.

That was probably worse than my first overseas flight after they banned smoking
on airplanes. I'm still surprised I didn't try to disable the smoke detector in
the restroom!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

On 9 Oct 2005 18:51:21 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

My original post to you was about your choice of verbiage in your single phrase.
Why do you consider a persons disapproval of a 'F...er' T-shirt 'right
wingers...getting their rocks off'? Do you not think there are some left wing
moms and dads who would find that shirt offensive?

Sounds a little crude to me.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

Chuck,
You throw out insults and derogatory comment one after the other instead of
discussing the issue. When John points that out, you attack the messenger.
It seems you have a non fail system of debating an issue.


wrote in message
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PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL"
wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same
shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a
liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above.
But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not
'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus
operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

It could happen to you.
 

PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 18:51:21 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

My original post to you was about your choice of verbiage in your single phrase.
Why do you consider a persons disapproval of a 'F...er' T-shirt 'right
wingers...getting their rocks off'? Do you not think there are some left wing
moms and dads who would find that shirt offensive?

Sounds a little crude to me.

--
John H


The shirt was very crude and offensive.

Follow the thread, please.

First post: A known right-winger describing the problem as one of "Bush
Bashing."

A following post: Same right-winger comments that "trash talk" is the
sole domain of liberals.

The intent of the OP was not to complain about the language on the
shirt, but to gloat that a "Bush basher" had been kicked off a plane.

It could happen to you.
 

On 9 Oct 2005 19:50:32 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 18:51:21 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

My original post to you was about your choice of verbiage in your single phrase.
Why do you consider a persons disapproval of a 'F...er' T-shirt 'right
wingers...getting their rocks off'? Do you not think there are some left wing
moms and dads who would find that shirt offensive?

Sounds a little crude to me.

--
John H


The shirt was very crude and offensive.

Follow the thread, please.

First post: A known right-winger describing the problem as one of "Bush
Bashing."

A following post: Same right-winger comments that "trash talk" is the
sole domain of liberals.

The intent of the OP was not to complain about the language on the
shirt, but to gloat that a "Bush basher" had been kicked off a plane.

Throwing out the 'right wingers...getting their rocks off' was also crude and
offensive.

I know you have better means to get your point across than falling into the same
pattern as some of the other 'characters' here.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

Chuck,
Your good buddy is always trolling this NG gloating about something or
other, so I must have missed this persons gloat, or is it possible you
misinterpreted the comment?


wrote in message
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PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 18:51:21 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL"
wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same
shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a
liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of
them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to
get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment
above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the
group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like
this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that
included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a
charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck,
not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus
operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant:
It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

My original post to you was about your choice of verbiage in your single
phrase.
Why do you consider a persons disapproval of a 'F...er' T-shirt 'right
wingers...getting their rocks off'? Do you not think there are some left
wing
moms and dads who would find that shirt offensive?

Sounds a little crude to me.

--
John H


The shirt was very crude and offensive.

Follow the thread, please.

First post: A known right-winger describing the problem as one of "Bush
Bashing."

A following post: Same right-winger comments that "trash talk" is the
sole domain of liberals.

The intent of the OP was not to complain about the language on the
shirt, but to gloat that a "Bush basher" had been kicked off a plane.

It could happen to you.
 

PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 19:50:32 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 18:51:21 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--

You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

My original post to you was about your choice of verbiage in your single phrase.
Why do you consider a persons disapproval of a 'F...er' T-shirt 'right
wingers...getting their rocks off'? Do you not think there are some left wing
moms and dads who would find that shirt offensive?

Sounds a little crude to me.

--
John H


The shirt was very crude and offensive.

Follow the thread, please.

First post: A known right-winger describing the problem as one of "Bush
Bashing."

A following post: Same right-winger comments that "trash talk" is the
sole domain of liberals.

The intent of the OP was not to complain about the language on the
shirt, but to gloat that a "Bush basher" had been kicked off a plane.

Throwing out the 'right wingers...getting their rocks off' was also crude and
offensive.

I know you have better means to get your point across than falling into the same
pattern as some of the other 'characters' here.

--
John H

Every time we cruise to up to Port Townsend, my wife picks up a chunk
of granite or two from a beach up there. Souveniers, if you will. First
thing we do when we get back to the dock in Seattle and begin unloading
he boat is to get those rocks off. How could that be offensive? :-)

It could happen to you.
 

wrote in message
...
Would you all feel the same way if it was one of those Monica white
mustache "got cum" T shirts?

I'm not sure that one is as likely to create a physical conflict on the
flight as the political statement, but I sure would be ****ed off that
someone is stupid enough to wear such crap in the general public venue.

It could happen to you.
 

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:32:16 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private
property", and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think
not, think if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The
question is one of obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have
been, it *is* probably protected speech.

If everytime someone with purple hair walks into my business he robs me
then what I am I to do? Keep letting people with purple hair into my
business?

Depends on the business, but if it's one of public accommodation,
restaurant, bars, hotels, theaters, and such, you better hire
better security, because you can't ban an entire class of people. And
let's be honest, not every purple haired person has robbed you. I know
quite a few purple haired people that are fine, upstanding, hard-working
Americans.

It could happen to you.
 

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:24:43 -0400, P. Fritz wrote:


A "public accomodation" is still private property, and the owners have
the right to set standards.......otherwise you would not be able to have
dress codes etc.........as usual the liebrals are barking up the wrong
tree

Try reading for content, I never said they couldn't set standards. I said
they are limited in the rules they can set. If the airline wanted to ban
the wearing of all tee-shirts, that would probably be legally acceptable,
business suicide, but legally acceptable. But that's not what they did
now, is it? They refused service to someone who was wearing a particular
tee-shirt, a tee-shirt that clearly was making a political statement, a
tee-shirt that is *probably* protected speech. Very subjective, and, IMO
that is where the problem lies.

And, yes, airlines are "private property", but they are also "public
accommodations" and if you think the government has no say in how they are
used, you are just plain wrong.

It could happen to you.
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...

Try reading for content, I never said they couldn't set standards. I said
they are limited in the rules they can set. If the airline wanted to ban
the wearing of all tee-shirts, that would probably be legally acceptable,
business suicide, but legally acceptable. But that's not what they did
now, is it? They refused service to someone who was wearing a particular
tee-shirt, a tee-shirt that clearly was making a political statement, a
tee-shirt that is *probably* protected speech. Very subjective, and, IMO
that is where the problem lies.



The tee-shirt printing made a political statement, which is fine, but also
included a profanity that, to social standards supported by numerous court
findings, is not fine in a public venue. I did a long google on this one.
In every case that I found where a person who was refused entry or service
because of a printed profanity on their clothing, who then filed a civil
complaint to protect their " right to free expression" --- lost.

Practically, it is a common sense issue to me. Profanity is not shocking or
particularly offensive to me personally, however I don't think it is
appropriate around young children, my wife or others who may be influenced
or offended.

I also think that those who wear items like this in public places are self
absorbed with little respect for others or for standards of social behavior.

Eisboch

It could happen to you.
 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:11:55 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
...

Try reading for content, I never said they couldn't set standards. I
said they are limited in the rules they can set. If the airline wanted
to ban the wearing of all tee-shirts, that would probably be legally
acceptable, business suicide, but legally acceptable. But that's not
what they did now, is it? They refused service to someone who was
wearing a particular tee-shirt, a tee-shirt that clearly was making a
political statement, a tee-shirt that is *probably* protected speech.
Very subjective, and, IMO that is where the problem lies.



The tee-shirt printing made a political statement, which is fine, but also
included a profanity that, to social standards supported by numerous court
findings, is not fine in a public venue. I did a long google on this one.
In every case that I found where a person who was refused entry or service
because of a printed profanity on their clothing, who then filed a civil
complaint to protect their " right to free expression" --- lost.

I can believe that. There is a difference when obscenity is involved. To
compound the problem, in my reading, some have asterisks placed. While
"Meet the Folkers" is clearly OK, is "Meet the F**kers"? Beats me, and to
be honest, I haven't been able to definitively find what the tee-shirt
actually said.

Practically, it is a common sense issue to me. Profanity is not shocking
or particularly offensive to me personally, however I don't think it is
appropriate around young children, my wife or others who may be influenced
or offended.

Nor do I, and the woman had options. She could have worn tee-shirt inside
out, and remained on the plane. In some ways, she chose to make this an
issue. Personally, I wouldn't have worn the tee-shirt, but then again, I
wouldn't have complained about her wearing either.

I also think that those who wear items like this in public places are self
absorbed with little respect for others or for standards of social
behavior.

Agreed, but . . . Freedom of Speech isn't important for speech that fits
into "standards of social behavior", it is important for speech that does
not.

It could happen to you.
 

wrote in message
...
Would you all feel the same way if it was one of those Monica white
mustache "got cum" T shirts?

This is the first time I have heard about those T-shirts.

It could happen to you.
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:32:16 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private
property", and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think
not, think if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The
question is one of obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have
been, it *is* probably protected speech.

If everytime someone with purple hair walks into my business he robs me
then what I am I to do? Keep letting people with purple hair into my
business?

Depends on the business, but if it's one of public accommodation,
restaurant, bars, hotels, theaters, and such, you better hire
better security, because you can't ban an entire class of people. And
let's be honest, not every purple haired person has robbed you. I know
quite a few purple haired people that are fine, upstanding, hard-working
Americans.

There are some workout centers in my area that don't allow a certain class
of people. Would you like to join me in demonstrating against them?

It could happen to you.
 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:35:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Depends on the business, but if it's one of public accommodation,
restaurant, bars, hotels, theaters, and such, you better hire better
security, because you can't ban an entire class of people. And let's
be honest, not every purple haired person has robbed you. I know quite
a few purple haired people that are fine, upstanding, hard-working
Americans.

There are some workout centers in my area that don't allow a certain class
of people. Would you like to join me in demonstrating against them?

Wouldn't let you in, huh? ;-) I'm not a lawyer, but I would suspect you
are talking about workout centers that have a membership, as in a "club".
They would be under a completely different standard. An example:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/...gay.boyscouts/

It could happen to you.
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:35:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Depends on the business, but if it's one of public accommodation,
restaurant, bars, hotels, theaters, and such, you better hire better
security, because you can't ban an entire class of people. And let's
be honest, not every purple haired person has robbed you. I know quite
a few purple haired people that are fine, upstanding, hard-working
Americans.

There are some workout centers in my area that don't allow a certain
class
of people. Would you like to join me in demonstrating against them?

Wouldn't let you in, huh? ;-) I'm not a lawyer, but I would suspect you
are talking about workout centers that have a membership, as in a "club".
They would be under a completely different standard. An example:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/...gay.boyscouts/

Nice try. These businesses refuse to let me use their facilities.

It could happen to you.
 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:37:30 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


Fascinating subject isn't it?

And not an easy one. The courts have been dealing with variations of this
for years.

I think back to when I can first identify thoughts expressed in a fashion
that normally would be considered offensive - boot camp. I had experience
with "blue" language through various coaches and the occasional bout of
faux concern about something or the other, but that was the first time I
had ever run into it as an art form.

Later on, when I went to NCO School, I learned that it is indeed an art
form and has it's place in settings other than public. Believe this or
not, even since that time I have refrained, or tried mightily to, not
swear in public. My wife actually swears more than I do.

Having said that, I do use substitutes, but I honestly try to refrain from
doing that also.

It is a personal choice because it's way too easy to, as jps might put it,
to ****ing this or f'ing that. It lacks a certain panache if you will - a
lack of wit or understanding of basic social rules.

It also loses it's effect. Some people use f* as an common adjective,
becoming more than trite in it's application. But, a well placed F***,
from someone who rarely if ever cusses, will get your attention.


I find it interesting that a person like the one described wearing the
T-shirt is most likely disdainful of a "red-neck" or "southern hick" who
most likely wouldn't be caught dead wearing something like that in public.
:) This same person probably feels that the Confederate Battle Flag is
offensive, yet doesn't feel that her T-shirt is offensive in any way.

It truly is a matter of perspective and POV.

What I find fascinating, is how easily our stands on issues can change
because of POV. For instance, if it was Clinton's face, not Bush's, the
issues would be the same, but would our various positions? It's sometimes
quite telling about the quality of a politician, do they remain consistent
on the issues, regardless of their POV.

It could happen to you.
 

On 9 Oct 2005 20:51:13 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 19:50:32 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 18:51:21 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 17:41:45 -0700, wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

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You think none of the conservatives would ever troll a thread like this
through a boating NG, just to get his/her rocks off by dissing "Bush
bashers"?

ROTFLAMO

I would just *swear* that is exactly what happened here. :-)

But then again I could be wrong, as one of the polite, well-mannered,
non-trash talking conservatives responded to my comments (that included
an opinion that the woman was "wrong" to wear that shirt) with a charge
that I'm morally deficient.
Probably too morally deficient to recognize a polite, constructive,
conciliatory
post when I see one.

Oddball set of standards you guys use over there in Rightieville.

Most folks were discussing the wording on the gal's T-shirt, Chuck, not 'getting
their rocks off'. You're quickly approaching the Harry/Kevin modus operandi.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan


Excellent technique, John. When you can't counter the basic argument,
object to the verbiage used in a single phrase. Conclude with a
derogatory personal comment.
Of course, this hasn't been effective in a couple of thousand years of
debating issues- but any port in a storm, I suppose.

My original post to you was about your choice of verbiage in your single phrase.
Why do you consider a persons disapproval of a 'F...er' T-shirt 'right
wingers...getting their rocks off'? Do you not think there are some left wing
moms and dads who would find that shirt offensive?

Sounds a little crude to me.

--
John H


The shirt was very crude and offensive.

Follow the thread, please.

First post: A known right-winger describing the problem as one of "Bush
Bashing."

A following post: Same right-winger comments that "trash talk" is the
sole domain of liberals.

The intent of the OP was not to complain about the language on the
shirt, but to gloat that a "Bush basher" had been kicked off a plane.

Throwing out the 'right wingers...getting their rocks off' was also crude and
offensive.

I know you have better means to get your point across than falling into the same
pattern as some of the other 'characters' here.

--
John H

Every time we cruise to up to Port Townsend, my wife picks up a chunk
of granite or two from a beach up there. Souveniers, if you will. First
thing we do when we get back to the dock in Seattle and begin unloading
he boat is to get those rocks off. How could that be offensive? :-)

You're *both* right-wingers??

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

It could happen to you.
 

"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that.


And the mudrats on your plane were simply exercising their right to
free
speech and expression.

So what's the problem?

Eisboch

Also, you don't have to look at a tee-shirt; it is easy enough to avoid.

Not necessarily so.

You cannot avoid the damned noise these brats made. I would have stuck
one
of the parents and both kids in the rest room after an hour of non-stop
whining and crying.

Even before I had kids of my own, I was sympathetic to the parents of
children who had difficulty flying. I was never sympathetic to cranky old
men who interact socially as if they had to carry a mouthful of tart lemon
wherever they go. I'm sorry you had a rough flight. I'm also sorry for
the
parents of the crying children who probably had a rougher flight based on
your description.


Harry is just proving how tolerant he is...............LMAO

It could happen to you.
 

Harry Krause wrote:


Perhaps if you bathed...

There was a case reported in the news up here last month concerning a
man who wanted to join a ladies fitness club. He claimed their refusal
to let him join violated his human rights.
Maybe Bertie just wanted to hang out with the girls.

It could happen to you.
 

The tee-shirt printing made a political statement, which is fine, but also
included a profanity that, to social standards supported by numerous court
findings, is not fine in a public venue. I did a long google on this one.
In every case that I found where a person who was refused entry or service
because of a printed profanity on their clothing, who then filed a civil
complaint to protect their " right to free expression" --- lost.

Practically, it is a common sense issue to me. Profanity is not shocking or
particularly offensive to me personally, however I don't think it is
appropriate around young children, my wife or others who may be influenced
or offended.

I also think that those who wear items like this in public places are self
absorbed with little respect for others or for standards of social behavior.


Personally, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment -
best one I've read in this thread.