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If you read this thread you can see one self absorbed person wants to get a
tshirt that says "Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:
F*ck the F*cking Republicans".


"Tom" wrote in message
t...
I also think that those who wear items like this in public places are self
absorbed with little respect for others or for standards of social
behavior.


Personally, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment -
best one I've read in this thread.

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Harry,

You have an a preferred method of dealing with those your political
opponents. It surprised me when you stated:

"It's based on my political beliefs and my sincere opinion that society
would be better off if most of today's "conservacrooks" were euthanized.
Preferably in Texas. By the usual methods."

Is it possible that is not what our founding fathers had in mind?

You are concerned about GWB's reducing our personal liberties, you have
expressed a desire to bring them to an ultimate end. ;)


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like
that in mixed company including young children old enough to read and
senior citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda.
Whew, it stinks!

Eisboch

I am not overly concerned about non-violent expression of political ideas.
I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that. I do not think it appropriate to
wear a tee shirt that urges violence upon Bush.

I am concerned about the actual obscenities perpetrated on the people of
the United States and the world by Bush and his administration of
criminals.

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Harry,

You have an a preferred method of dealing with your political
opponents. It surprised me when you stated:

"It's based on my political beliefs and my sincere opinion that society
would be better off if most of today's "conservacrooks" were euthanized.
Preferably in Texas. By the usual methods."

Is it possible that is not what our founding fathers had in mind?

You are concerned about GWB's reducing our personal liberties, you have
expressed a desire to bring them to an ultimate end. ;)


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like
that in mixed company including young children old enough to read and
senior citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda.
Whew, it stinks!

Eisboch

I am not overly concerned about non-violent expression of political
ideas. I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that. I do not think it appropriate to
wear a tee shirt that urges violence upon Bush.

I am concerned about the actual obscenities perpetrated on the people of
the United States and the world by Bush and his administration of
criminals.

It could happen to you.
 

Harry is just your typical intolerant liebral

"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
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Harry,

You have an a preferred method of dealing with those your political
opponents. It surprised me when you stated:

"It's based on my political beliefs and my sincere opinion that society
would be better off if most of today's "conservacrooks" were euthanized.
Preferably in Texas. By the usual methods."

Is it possible that is not what our founding fathers had in mind?

You are concerned about GWB's reducing our personal liberties, you have
expressed a desire to bring them to an ultimate end. ;)


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like
that in mixed company including young children old enough to read and
senior citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being
led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda.
Whew, it stinks!

Eisboch

I am not overly concerned about non-violent expression of political
ideas.
I think it perfectly appropriate to wear clothing that says
F*ck Bush, if one feels like doing that. I do not think it appropriate
to
wear a tee shirt that urges violence upon Bush.

I am concerned about the actual obscenities perpetrated on the people of
the United States and the world by Bush and his administration of
criminals.

It could happen to you.
 

Eisboch wrote:
The tee-shirt printing made a political statement, which is fine, but also
included a profanity that, to social standards supported by numerous court
findings, is not fine in a public venue. I did a long google on this one.
In every case that I found where a person who was refused entry or service
because of a printed profanity on their clothing, who then filed a civil
complaint to protect their " right to free expression" --- lost.


Which is as it should be, assuming that one trusts the courts to follow
community standards.


Practically, it is a common sense issue to me. Profanity is not shocking or
particularly offensive to me personally, however I don't think it is
appropriate around young children, my wife or others who may be influenced
or offended.


Personally, I don't care who gets offended. But the over use of
profanity shows a small vocabulary, and it's unpleasant to listen to...
or to see plastered in large print in a public place.

I also think that those who wear items like this in public places are self
absorbed with little respect for others or for standards of social behavior.


Or they're insecure and want to attract attention to themselves.

However, it is certainly a free speech issue, and a community standards
issue. It should be pointed out that any time political opinions are
supressed, it doesn't matter why. And any time one person loses freedom
of speech, we all lose it.

Many of the regular political posters here would have stood up and
cheered if 6 ~ 14 years ago they saw a person wearing a T-shirt saying
'F**K CLINTON' and now they are insisting that a similar expression
regarding our current President cannot be allowed. That's childish
partisan malarkey, pure & simple. And if this sentiment prevails in our
gov't then we have lost the freedom of speech, pure and simple.

As a matter of community standards of behavior, that's entirely a
different kettle of fish. It's entirely up to you if you vote to outlaw
Pepsi T-shirts because you like Coke, or Rolling Stones T-shirts because
you like the Beatles. It's dumb & intolerant, but it's pretty much
standard human nature. And that's why we need to draw the line carefully
about protecting free speech.

DSK

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Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:35:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Depends on the business, but if it's one of public accommodation,
restaurant, bars, hotels, theaters, and such, you better hire better
security, because you can't ban an entire class of people. And let's
be honest, not every purple haired person has robbed you. I know quite
a few purple haired people that are fine, upstanding, hard-working
Americans.

There are some workout centers in my area that don't allow a certain
class
of people. Would you like to join me in demonstrating against them?

Wouldn't let you in, huh? ;-) I'm not a lawyer, but I would suspect you
are talking about workout centers that have a membership, as in a "club".
They would be under a completely different standard. An example:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/...gay.boyscouts/

Nice try. These businesses refuse to let me use their facilities.

Seriously- under what pretext?

If these are "private" athletic clubs then surely all non-members would
be barred from using the facilities. You start to get some traction on
this issue if the opportunity to join isn't available to anybody caring
to apply *and* if the club has advertised, "Join Hercules Health Club,
only $99 a month!" Some clubs, like the popular "Curves" franchises,
are for women only.

If the club doesn't advertise that membership will be granted to
anybody willing to pay $99 amonth, as a private organization it has the
right to include or exclude anybody and for a wide variety of arbitrary
factors.

I got some legal advice on this issue a few years ago when I was
serving as the Board Chairman of a local yacht club. We had a mess in
which an extremely conservative board member "pressured" (as we later
discovered)one of the general membership to write a letter to the board
objecting to the sexuality of a third member in good standing. The
author of the letter was an extremely well liked individual, and the
letter contained a threat to withdraw from the club because he felt
that having a person of non-traditional sexuality cross dressing at
club functions was exerting a terrible influence on his kids. By a
1-vote margin the board voted to have the Board Chairman confront this
member and pressure him to resign.

Leary of a lawsuit based on "sexual discrimination", I sought legal
advice and learned that as a private club that didn't publicly offer
memberships, the club was free to discriminate against anybody it
pleased.

(I had a discussion with the person of non-traditional sexuality, and
requested that the person come dressed as a man to club functions as he
had been introduced as Mr. So-and-so when he had joined the club and
the members had a right to make the assumption that he was a man. He
was very willing to comply, as long as he could be allowed to dress as
a woman when he was aboard his private boat or not at a club function.
Not satisfied with this arrangement, the original person who had
pressured the letter writer made a big stink and demanded that the
cross-dressing transsexual be involuntarily removed from club
membership- comments included "It's a question of standing up for your
own principles!". I don't know how that finally resolved itself, I was
disgusted with the whole hateful affair and my term as Board Chairman
was ending, so I just dropped out and haven't been back for several
years)

So, Bert, under what grounds are you being exluded from a local club?
Is it a black club that won't admit a white person? A white club that
won't admit a black person? Is it "Curves" or one of the clubs that
advertise they are only for women? Odds are, if they are a private
organization, they have the right to invite you in or keep you out for
any arbitrary reason they might select.

BTW, you personally don't want to protest against the club if it's
"Curves". My wife looked into joining that club, but did not and will
not. The owner of the parent corporation is an ardent right winger who
makes huge donations to conservative candidates and is a major-league
supporter of "right to life"
groups. (My spouse and I disagree on abortion issues- a subject where I
am more in step with most conservatives).

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"JIMinFL" wrote in message

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


120 posts about the wrong thing, carrying on the fine left wing tradition of
changing the subject. This ditzy broad wasn't yanked for bush-bashing; she
was tossed for wearing a demonstrably vulgar piece of clothing in a public
place in which other patrons complained. She, and others of both sides who
pull stunts like this, are merely clamoring for attention, shouting 'see how
clever and irreverent i am!!!' She got exactly what she wanted, and
exactly what she deserved.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

It was a tee-shirt. It wasn't as if she authorized the bombing of a nation
not at war with us, or lied about the presence of WMDs.

Changing the subject?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

......Some things are important, some are not.

I agree. And you need to get them sorted out in your mind.

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Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
...
JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html




The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the "word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can set
their own standards.

Eisboch

Then, if someones rights disappear when they enter someone elses
private property, our government should quit subsidizing them. Also, if
the above is true, would it mean that if someone enters my property,
that they have instantly 100% lost all of their rights as afforded by
the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, etc? I'll bet that while still on
private property, she was read her Miranda RIGHTS!!!!!