Jeff Rigby wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:

Here is where the problem occurs, we are in Iraq for a number of good
reasons

Agreed. Should have been done a lot differently, but it's too late for
that now.


... we may NOT be doing a good job.

"May"??? There is no area in which the US is doing a good job in Iraq,
other than handing gazillions of dollars to the "rebuilding" corporations
(surprise surprise, they turn out to be heavy Bush-Cheney sponsors).

Iraq is broken, probably at least as broken as any Palestinian state could
be.





... You seem to think that "we" give Bush a pass on all things when "we"
respond to the Bush bashing.

Well, you are. It's very simple.
President Bush has done a rotten job of running the country. Very few (if
any) of his policies have resulted in a benefit to the country.


... "YOU" focus the arguments to areas that you think (because of the
incestuous nature of the news medias you watch) are a slam dunk.

1- what news media do you think I watch? It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are. It is certainly
true that *none* (and I mean zero, zip, nada, zilch-o) of the Bush-Cheney
Cheerleaders have shown any of the points I make here are wrong, desptie
their constant yapping about it.

2- It looks like a "slam dunk" to you because the facts are so uniformly
against you. An intelligent person observes the facts and bases his
opinions on reality, not twisting & spinning (and lying) to justify his
opinions regardless of fact.




... "We" have no argument with Bush policy, just it's implementation (at
times).


Really? You think it's a good idea to destroy the American education
system, to drive the US backwards in science, to push industry offshore
and encourage corporations to duck their taxes (as long as they make
political contributions to the right party), to destroy the environment
for the profit of a few, to eliminate Social Security (or at least, the
Security part), to drive away any country that may want to be our allies,
to increase US dependence on foreign oil now that we're past the Hubbert
peak, to increase military spending while not accomplishing any military
goals, to leave ouor borders largely unsecured... wait that's enough for
now.


The above is a perfect example of our difference in facts, take education.
CSPAN had a congressional hearing on the No Child Left Behind Act on Monday.
It appears from the majority of the testimony that it's working.

Working at what? Improving test scores? Yes, good. How much of that is
done by excluding certain groups of kids from the test pool?

The NCLB act is actually a program to reduce the effectiveness of
getting public school kids into college, where they can practice upward
social & political mobility, and the big goal is to reduce the political
influence of the teacher's unions (the last is not necessarily a bad
thing, but it is undertaken as a tactic to solidify Republican hegemony
which *is* a bad thing).

So, in short, your breezy & shallow assurances that the No Child Left
Behind Act is "working" is actually more sinister than you realize. Is
this the direction you really want the country to take?




I didn't state my reliance but that I thought that it's only 20% obviously
biased while I thought that the other news groups were 80% hidden agenda
biased.

Many are, yes. Many more are not, or (like the foreign media for
example) are biased in a direction that is not derived from US politics.

The presumption that the majority of media are liberal biased is a lot
of hooey.

... It's easier for me to see bias in Fox while I have to find the news
and data that is left out of the other national news media.


The great thing about the Internet is the huge variety of information
offered. Of course, that also means that you can always find somebody
who agrees with you, even if you are the type of sicko who is looking
for sex with goats.



AGAIN, YOU set the arguments we respond to errors in data

Well, you certainly haven't responded to any errors in any data that I
have posted here.


... Must make you feel good, but it
doesn't change what you are.


Your goal is to change me

Not at all. My goal is to present facts and 2ndarily to amuse myself
with what a pack of dishonest boneheads the Bush-Cheney Cheerleaders are.

... and my goal is to set the facts straight


You seem to be a bit above the average, but you share the self-delusion.
And it's clear that you're mightily offended by any criticism of
President Bush no matter how justified, and prefer to either ignore or
distort the "facts" you are determined to "set straight" since most of
them don't show the Bush-Cheney Administration in a favorable light.

DSK