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[email protected] October 3rd 05 05:16 PM

OT Let the Spinning Begin!
 
NOYB and a few others will be spinning so much, people will think
they're Whirling Dervishes!

Sources Say Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

In September 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan had this to
say about the CIA leak scandal: "The President has set high standards,
the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it
very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to
adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this
administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this
administration." (McClellan added, "[T]here's been nothing, absolutely
nothing, brought to our attention to suggest any White House
involvement, and that includes the Vice President's office.") Since
July, we've known that top administration officials -- including Karl
Rove and Scooter Libby -- were involved, speaking to reporters about
Joe Wilson's wife and her role at the CIA. Over the weekend, startling
new evidence emerged that suggested direct involvement in the scandal
by Vice President Cheney and President Bush.

SOURCE -- BUSH DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN LEAK SCANDAL: On ABC's This Week,
George Stephanopolous said the leak scandal could become unmanageable
for the White House if "as a source close to this told me this week,
President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some
of these discussions." This would help explain why Bush spent more than
an hour answering questions about the leak with special prosecutor
Patrick Fitzgerald. But it would also explode the notion, carefully
maintained by the White House, that Bush is merely a bystander who
wants to "get to the bottom" of what happened.

SOURCE -- CHENEY DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN LEAK SCANDAL: The New York Times
reported Saturday that "a lawyer who knows Mr. Libby's account said
the administration efforts to limit the damage from Mr. Wilson's
criticism extended as high as Mr. Cheney." Specifically, on July 12,
2003, "Mr. Libby consulted with Mr. Cheney about how to handle
inquiries from journalists about the vice president's role in sending
Mr. Wilson to Africa in early 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq was
trying to acquire nuclear material there for its weapons program." The
leaking of Cheney's role by a source who appears sympathetic to the
White House may be an effort to manage the story. Similarly, the first
details about Karl Rove's role were released by his own lawyer.

TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS MAY BE INDICTED FOR CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY:
The public defense of both Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the CIA leak
scandal have focused on the specific claim they they didn't know
Valerie Plame's name. But even if Patrick Fitzgerald is unable to
prove a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, Rove,
Libby and others could still be charged with perjury if they lied to
investigators. The Washington Post reports another possibility:
"Fitzgerald is considering whether he can bring charges of a criminal
conspiracy perpetrated by a group of senior Bush administration
officials." Significantly, "To prove a criminal conspiracy, the actions
need not have been criminal, but conspirators must have had a criminal
purpose."


NOYB October 3rd 05 05:30 PM

What is there to spin? As the article points out, it doesn't appear that
there was any violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. So,
instead, the article goes on to *speculate* that Fitzgerald may be
considering charges of perjury or criminal conspiracy.

At this point, it's nothing more speculation and wishing on the part of
whichever left-wing conspiracy site you lifted this from.




wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB and a few others will be spinning so much, people will think
they're Whirling Dervishes!

Sources Say Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

In September 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan had this to
say about the CIA leak scandal: "The President has set high standards,
the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it
very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to
adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this
administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this
administration." (McClellan added, "[T]here's been nothing, absolutely
nothing, brought to our attention to suggest any White House
involvement, and that includes the Vice President's office.") Since
July, we've known that top administration officials -- including Karl
Rove and Scooter Libby -- were involved, speaking to reporters about
Joe Wilson's wife and her role at the CIA. Over the weekend, startling
new evidence emerged that suggested direct involvement in the scandal
by Vice President Cheney and President Bush.

SOURCE -- BUSH DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN LEAK SCANDAL: On ABC's This Week,
George Stephanopolous said the leak scandal could become unmanageable
for the White House if "as a source close to this told me this week,
President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some
of these discussions." This would help explain why Bush spent more than
an hour answering questions about the leak with special prosecutor
Patrick Fitzgerald. But it would also explode the notion, carefully
maintained by the White House, that Bush is merely a bystander who
wants to "get to the bottom" of what happened.

SOURCE -- CHENEY DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN LEAK SCANDAL: The New York Times
reported Saturday that "a lawyer who knows Mr. Libby's account said
the administration efforts to limit the damage from Mr. Wilson's
criticism extended as high as Mr. Cheney." Specifically, on July 12,
2003, "Mr. Libby consulted with Mr. Cheney about how to handle
inquiries from journalists about the vice president's role in sending
Mr. Wilson to Africa in early 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq was
trying to acquire nuclear material there for its weapons program." The
leaking of Cheney's role by a source who appears sympathetic to the
White House may be an effort to manage the story. Similarly, the first
details about Karl Rove's role were released by his own lawyer.

TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS MAY BE INDICTED FOR CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY:
The public defense of both Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the CIA leak
scandal have focused on the specific claim they they didn't know
Valerie Plame's name. But even if Patrick Fitzgerald is unable to
prove a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, Rove,
Libby and others could still be charged with perjury if they lied to
investigators. The Washington Post reports another possibility:
"Fitzgerald is considering whether he can bring charges of a criminal
conspiracy perpetrated by a group of senior Bush administration
officials." Significantly, "To prove a criminal conspiracy, the actions
need not have been criminal, but conspirators must have had a criminal
purpose."




P Fritz October 3rd 05 05:35 PM


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
What is there to spin? As the article points out, it doesn't appear that
there was any violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

So,
instead, the article goes on to *speculate* that Fitzgerald may be
considering charges of perjury or criminal conspiracy.

At this point, it's nothing more speculation and wishing on the part of
whichever left-wing conspiracy site you lifted this from.


Yeah.....WAPO, NYT, and Boy George..........there are three dependable news
sources......LMAO






wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB and a few others will be spinning so much, people will think
they're Whirling Dervishes!

Sources Say Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

In September 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan had this to
say about the CIA leak scandal: "The President has set high standards,
the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it
very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to
adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this
administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this
administration." (McClellan added, "[T]here's been nothing, absolutely
nothing, brought to our attention to suggest any White House
involvement, and that includes the Vice President's office.") Since
July, we've known that top administration officials -- including Karl
Rove and Scooter Libby -- were involved, speaking to reporters about
Joe Wilson's wife and her role at the CIA. Over the weekend, startling
new evidence emerged that suggested direct involvement in the scandal
by Vice President Cheney and President Bush.

SOURCE -- BUSH DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN LEAK SCANDAL: On ABC's This Week,
George Stephanopolous said the leak scandal could become unmanageable
for the White House if "as a source close to this told me this week,
President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some
of these discussions." This would help explain why Bush spent more than
an hour answering questions about the leak with special prosecutor
Patrick Fitzgerald. But it would also explode the notion, carefully
maintained by the White House, that Bush is merely a bystander who
wants to "get to the bottom" of what happened.

SOURCE -- CHENEY DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN LEAK SCANDAL: The New York Times
reported Saturday that "a lawyer who knows Mr. Libby's account said
the administration efforts to limit the damage from Mr. Wilson's
criticism extended as high as Mr. Cheney." Specifically, on July 12,
2003, "Mr. Libby consulted with Mr. Cheney about how to handle
inquiries from journalists about the vice president's role in sending
Mr. Wilson to Africa in early 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq was
trying to acquire nuclear material there for its weapons program." The
leaking of Cheney's role by a source who appears sympathetic to the
White House may be an effort to manage the story. Similarly, the first
details about Karl Rove's role were released by his own lawyer.

TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS MAY BE INDICTED FOR CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY:
The public defense of both Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the CIA leak
scandal have focused on the specific claim they they didn't know
Valerie Plame's name. But even if Patrick Fitzgerald is unable to
prove a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, Rove,
Libby and others could still be charged with perjury if they lied to
investigators. The Washington Post reports another possibility:
"Fitzgerald is considering whether he can bring charges of a criminal
conspiracy perpetrated by a group of senior Bush administration
officials." Significantly, "To prove a criminal conspiracy, the actions
need not have been criminal, but conspirators must have had a criminal
purpose."






[email protected] October 3rd 05 05:57 PM


NOYB wrote:

At this point, it's nothing more speculation and wishing on the part of
whichever left-wing conspiracy site you lifted this from.



hehe!! Thank you for making my point, spinboy!


[email protected] October 3rd 05 05:58 PM


P Fritz wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
What is there to spin? As the article points out, it doesn't appear that
there was any violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

So,
instead, the article goes on to *speculate* that Fitzgerald may be
considering charges of perjury or criminal conspiracy.

At this point, it's nothing more speculation and wishing on the part of
whichever left-wing conspiracy site you lifted this from.


Yeah.....WAPO, NYT, and Boy George..........there are three dependable news
sources......LMAO

Proves what you know.......NOTHING. You are dead wrong.


[email protected] October 3rd 05 06:54 PM

Sources Say Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

"Sources"?

Wow, Guzzi-boy! ! You finally made the big times!


Dan J.S. October 3rd 05 08:29 PM

NY Times has one of the largest subscription decreases ever. I wonder why?
:)



Doug Kanter October 3rd 05 08:45 PM


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
NY Times has one of the largest subscription decreases ever. I wonder why?
:)


Don't read much news, eh? Print newspapers everywhere are losing readership
for a number of reasons, none of which you're likely to be aware of.



NOYB October 3rd 05 09:16 PM


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
NY Times has one of the largest subscription decreases ever. I wonder
why? :)


Don't read much news, eh? Print newspapers everywhere are losing
readership for a number of reasons, none of which you're likely to be
aware of.


I use Mozilla Firefox and a plug-in called BugMeNot when "logging" into any
of the online newspapers that require free registration.

It won't work on pay sites like the Wall Street Journal. Yet, surprisingly,
the Journal isn't seeing the same large decrease in readership.



thunder October 3rd 05 09:23 PM

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:30:32 +0000, NOYB wrote:

What is there to spin? As the article points out, it doesn't appear that
there was any violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
So, instead, the article goes on to *speculate* that Fitzgerald may be
considering charges of perjury or criminal conspiracy.

At this point, it's nothing more speculation and wishing on the part of
whichever left-wing conspiracy site you lifted this from.


I don't know if any charges will come from the Plame investigation, but I
will point out, it wasn't the Watergate burglary that brought Nixon down,
it was the cover-up. If anyone in the Bush administration is charged, it
will be another nail in this lame duck's coffin. Bush is already wounded,
additional bleeding will put his numbers in the Carter area. Can you say
failed Presidency?

http://uspolitics.about.com/library/...l_approval.htm


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