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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:11:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Jeff Rigby wrote:
Here is where the problem occurs, we are in Iraq for a number of good
reasons

Agreed. Should have been done a lot differently, but it's too late for
that now.

... we may NOT be doing a good job.

"May"??? There is no area in which the US is doing a good job in Iraq,
other than handing gazillions of dollars to the "rebuilding"
corporations (surprise surprise, they turn out to be heavy Bush-Cheney
sponsors).

Iraq is broken, probably at least as broken as any Palestinian state
could be.

... You seem to think that "we" give
Bush a pass on all things when "we" respond to the Bush bashing.

Well, you are. It's very simple.
President Bush has done a rotten job of running the country. Very few
(if any) of his policies have resulted in a benefit to the country.

... "YOU" focus
the arguments to areas that you think (because of the incestuous nature of
the news medias you watch) are a slam dunk.

1- what news media do you think I watch? It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are. It is
certainly true that *none* (and I mean zero, zip, nada, zilch-o) of the
Bush-Cheney Cheerleaders have shown any of the points I make here are
wrong, desptie their constant yapping about it.

2- It looks like a "slam dunk" to you because the facts are so uniformly
against you. An intelligent person observes the facts and bases his
opinions on reality, not twisting & spinning (and lying) to justify his
opinions regardless of fact.

... "We" have no argument with Bush
policy, just it's implementation (at times).

Really? You think it's a good idea to destroy the American education
system, to drive the US backwards in science, to push industry offshore
and encourage corporations to duck their taxes (as long as they make
political contributions to the right party), to destroy the environment
for the profit of a few, to eliminate Social Security (or at least, the
Security part), to drive away any country that may want to be our
allies, to increase US dependence on foreign oil now that we're past the
Hubbert peak, to increase military spending while not accomplishing any
military goals, to leave ouor borders largely unsecured... wait that's
enough for now.

Do you understand this???? You set the argument, You are ill informed about
policy goals of the administration,

Actually, the policy goals of this Administration make no sense at all.

... You do not listen to various news medias
and have a BIAS because of this.

How do you know what news medias I listen to?

... You assume others are biased because all
the news medias you listen to are agreed.

Wrong. You assume you know what I listen to (or watch) when you clearly
don't have a clue. Since you have stated your reliance ont Fox News,
stated by Vice President Cheney to be the best news source, we know that
you are both ill informed and heavily biased. Yet because they spoon
feed you a lot of flattery about how smart you are to watch Fox, you
believe it all.

And you have nice little support group of like minded Clinton-hating
Bush-Cheney cheerleaders right here. Must make you feel good, but it
doesn't change what you are.

DSK

Fox News has been stating for a long time that Iraq is 'broken'. Does that, in
your opinion, mean that Iraq *isn't* broken?

When you've watched one side of the news for your whole life, seeing both sides
will naturally give the impression that you are seeing 'biased' news.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:38:56 -0400, DSK wrote:

P Fritz wrote:

The typical arrogance of the brain dead liebral is once again on display
"It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are."

Is it brain-dead or arrogant to have posted plain fact and proven many
right-wingers here to be wrong, and yet none of them has ever once...
not the first time... proven any of the facts I post to be incorrect?

Is it arrogant or brain-dead to continually proclaim oneself always
right, and smarter than "the other guys" when you are in fact the one
who is always wrong?

And they wonder why they keep losing elections?

I've never lost an election once.

BTW the subject here is BOATS. Do you have a boat?

DSK

When have you ever posted 'plain fact'?

You post opiniated, name-calling statements with little basis in fact.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

PocoLoco wrote:
Fox News has been stating for a long time that Iraq is 'broken'. Does that, in
your opinion, mean that Iraq *isn't* broken?

No I think it's a case of admitting the obvious.

When you've watched one side of the news for your whole life, seeing both sides
will naturally give the impression that you are seeing 'biased' news.

Yep. Funny how that works, and how it directly feeds the whole "liberal
biased media" delusion.

DSK

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:33:21 -0400, DSK wrote:

PocoLoco wrote:
Fox News has been stating for a long time that Iraq is 'broken'. Does that, in
your opinion, mean that Iraq *isn't* broken?

No I think it's a case of admitting the obvious.

Well! At least you agree they are being truthful.

When you've watched one side of the news for your whole life, seeing both sides
will naturally give the impression that you are seeing 'biased' news.

Yep. Funny how that works, and how it directly feeds the whole "liberal
biased media" delusion.

Again we agree, except that you're confusing 'delusion' and 'reality'. Hopefully
you'll learn.

DSK

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:38:56 -0400, DSK wrote:

P Fritz wrote:

The typical arrogance of the brain dead liebral is once again on
display
"It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are."

Is it brain-dead or arrogant to have posted plain fact and proven many
right-wingers here to be wrong, and yet none of them has ever once...
not the first time... proven any of the facts I post to be incorrect?

Is it arrogant or brain-dead to continually proclaim oneself always
right, and smarter than "the other guys" when you are in fact the one
who is always wrong?

And they wonder why they keep losing elections?

I've never lost an election once.

BTW the subject here is BOATS. Do you have a boat?

DSK

When have you ever posted 'plain fact'?

To a liebral...."I believe" = fact

You post opiniated, name-calling statements with little basis in fact.

Then the "do you have a boat" dodge when he is losing the debate.

BTW, I've posted in the past what type of boat I own, it is not my problem
if so many of the liebrals lack reading comprehension.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
The typical arrogance of the brain dead liebral is once again on display
"It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are."

And they wonder why they keep losing elections?

DSK is well informed but tends to give weight to arguments that are the
exception rather than look at the whole. For example his response to my
Statement about NCLB was that certain students were left out of the figures,
he didn't mention that some districts are also encourging dropouts to
improve test scores. This was mentioned in the CSPAN coverage of the NCLB
act. He obviously watched it (or selected parts from a biased news network)
but came out of it with a totally different impression than I did. I
actually heard many say that it's working regardless of some districts being
under so much pressure to perform that they cheat.

That's an interesting thought, did he see it in it's entirety or just
selected parts from a biased new media????? Hmmm.

Jeff Rigby wrote:
DSK is well informed

Thanks

... but tends to give weight to arguments that are the
exception rather than look at the whole.

Which is still better (if it were true) than simply making stuff up.

... For example his response to my
Statement about NCLB was that certain students were left out of the figures,
he didn't mention that some districts are also encourging dropouts to
improve test scores.

Which is more common?

... This was mentioned in the CSPAN coverage of the NCLB
act. He obviously watched it (or selected parts from a biased news network)
but came out of it with a totally different impression than I did.

Actually, I skimmed it on the internet. Marvelous invention.

... I
actually heard many say that it's working regardless of some districts being
under so much pressure to perform that they cheat.

???
Better think this over one more time... the program is working so well
that some school districts are holding kids back from taking the tests,
and others are cheating... yep it's working!

That's an interesting thought, did he see it in it's entirety or just
selected parts from a biased new media????? Hmmm.

Neither.

DSK