Jeff Rigby wrote:
Here is where the problem occurs, we are in Iraq for a number of good
reasons

Agreed. Should have been done a lot differently, but it's too late for
that now.

... we may NOT be doing a good job.

"May"??? There is no area in which the US is doing a good job in Iraq,
other than handing gazillions of dollars to the "rebuilding"
corporations (surprise surprise, they turn out to be heavy Bush-Cheney
sponsors).

Iraq is broken, probably at least as broken as any Palestinian state
could be.




... You seem to think that "we" give
Bush a pass on all things when "we" respond to the Bush bashing.

Well, you are. It's very simple.
President Bush has done a rotten job of running the country. Very few
(if any) of his policies have resulted in a benefit to the country.

... "YOU" focus
the arguments to areas that you think (because of the incestuous nature of
the news medias you watch) are a slam dunk.

1- what news media do you think I watch? It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are. It is
certainly true that *none* (and I mean zero, zip, nada, zilch-o) of the
Bush-Cheney Cheerleaders have shown any of the points I make here are
wrong, desptie their constant yapping about it.

2- It looks like a "slam dunk" to you because the facts are so uniformly
against you. An intelligent person observes the facts and bases his
opinions on reality, not twisting & spinning (and lying) to justify his
opinions regardless of fact.



... "We" have no argument with Bush
policy, just it's implementation (at times).


Really? You think it's a good idea to destroy the American education
system, to drive the US backwards in science, to push industry offshore
and encourage corporations to duck their taxes (as long as they make
political contributions to the right party), to destroy the environment
for the profit of a few, to eliminate Social Security (or at least, the
Security part), to drive away any country that may want to be our
allies, to increase US dependence on foreign oil now that we're past the
Hubbert peak, to increase military spending while not accomplishing any
military goals, to leave ouor borders largely unsecured... wait that's
enough for now.



Do you understand this???? You set the argument, You are ill informed about
policy goals of the administration,

Actually, the policy goals of this Administration make no sense at all.


... You do not listen to various news medias
and have a BIAS because of this.

How do you know what news medias I listen to?

... You assume others are biased because all
the news medias you listen to are agreed.

Wrong. You assume you know what I listen to (or watch) when you clearly
don't have a clue. Since you have stated your reliance ont Fox News,
stated by Vice President Cheney to be the best news source, we know that
you are both ill informed and heavily biased. Yet because they spoon
feed you a lot of flattery about how smart you are to watch Fox, you
believe it all.

And you have nice little support group of like minded Clinton-hating
Bush-Cheney cheerleaders right here. Must make you feel good, but it
doesn't change what you are.

DSK