Rick wrote:
otnmbrd wrote:

Not really. There are a good number of "reefers" and "break bulk" in
this size range still running about the world going to all the ports
those big box boats and ULCC's can't get near.


"Not really" what? Like I wrote, that 550 footer is probably in feeder
service, what used to be called "coasting" or "short sea trading." Ships
in the liner trades nearly all have crew sizes ranging from 11 to 30
with an average around 18.

The "Not really" referred to the fact that the ship mentioned (certified
for 6) or others of like size were probably feeders or coasters.
There are still a multitude of ships of this size, trading world wide.

No arguments here as to crew sizes..... they vary considerably.

otn

MarAd has done several recent studies of manning levels and the results
are available on the net.

Unmanned enginerooms are common, though one man bridge watches are
less so, but growing in numbers.


A manned engine room is the exception these days except on older
vessels. Even our (US flag) steamships have gone from a 3-man watch to a
single engineer after 1700. The unlicensed engineer is a day worker.
Nearly all our motorboat enginerooms are unmanned after 1700 except for
maneuvering.

Rick

What I was getting at was that you can get wavered from the State Pilot
requirement, but that it may require federal pilotage. I don't know of a
State Pilot Association that isn't required Federal Pilotage for their
members. Then there are some ports, especially in the oilfield like
Fourchon, Morgan City, Cameron, Galveston... That as long as you are US
Flagged and hold a USCG license appropriate to the vessel, you are not
required a pilot.

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
link.net...


HLAviation wrote:
Look under the Port State Pilot requirements. Typically a vessel with
greater than XX draft or XXX tonnage will require a state licensed pilot
when entering and leaving port regardless of flag or use. These
requirements
are sometimes wavered for US flag vessels (in the US of course) if
certain
requirements are met. Generally licensing is required along with a
certain
number of trips along the route, typically 25, sometimes a Federal
Pilotage
Exam is required.

I don't know of any "State Pilot" organization that doesn't also require
that their members also hold "Federal Pilot" (USCG issued) licenses for
the port, though there may be..... would take some research.
Also, not all ports have "State Pilot" organizations, some work with
just "Federal Pilots" and frequently require pilotage of any vessel over
300 GT.

otn

Subject: Captain's License
From: "HLAviation"
Date: 07/24/2004 12:51 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

What I was getting at was that you can get wavered from the State Pilot
requirement, but that it may require federal pilotage. I don't know of a
State Pilot Association that isn't required Federal Pilotage for their
members. Then there are some ports, especially in the oilfield like
Fourchon, Morgan City, Cameron, Galveston... That as long as you are US
Flagged and hold a USCG license appropriate to the vessel, you are not
required a pilot.


The rules for pilotage are as varied as there are ports to vary them, with some
ports stiffening these requirements in the past years.
Take your last sentence. There are also ports where no matter what your flag
and license, if you are over 330 GT you'll have a pilot. Needless to say, some
supply boats fall into this category.

Shen