I wrote regarding a friend who permanently loaned me a kicker because I took
him fishing:

I have feeling he will
never ask for it back and he's got first seat on all major fishing trips.
Plus, he pays 1/2 of the gas and oil.

I meant to say he always offers to pay, but I don't let him but sometimes he
figures out a way to do it anyway. I don't argue the point because
sometimes I figure people just feel better paying. I know I do.

DJ

I agree with one of the previous posters. I am going out anyways and
the extra weight of the people I invite really doesn't make my boat
use much more gas. But that said, it is nice to get an offer, but I
always refuse. Maybe insted of gas it may be easier for you to get him
to by the bait and beer?

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:29:30 -0400, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Amazing. I have always paid for ALL of the gas, bait, food, beer, etc.
when I could get away with it. The boat owner is paying for the boat,
trailer, taxes, registration(s), interest, maintenance, and the other
endless expenses. Seems like a hell of a deal to me! A buddy of mine
often used to take me fishing up north in his "walleye" boat. His
kicker crapped out so I picked up a new one for less than $1000. This
is maybe 3-4 boat payments. He was shocked but he was the one really
shelling out the big money.

Now that I have two boats, I have never expected any money but my
friends, to this point, seem to have followed the same philosophy as
me. I never give it much thought since it all works out in the end.

Dan


Paul Dougherty wrote:

Hello Group,
I have a friend who I take out on my boat very often fishing. Grant
it, it is a small boat 16' 6". But it still runs on fuel. He never has
offered to pay for fuel or help to wash all the crude out of it from
fishing. I did invite him to go so I do not feel right asking him. For
example yesterday we went fishing at small lake. I drove my truck,
towing my boat 140+ miles round trip, used 6 gallons of fuel on the
lake. I know that is not a lot since some people here have boats that
use 6 gallons just to start. But, he could offer.
Another example last year we went to Canada for a "guys" week. We used
60-70 gallons of fuel running around a much bigger lake (Bobs Lake if
anyone knows where that is) that week. That is not including the 70-80
gallons to get there and back. He did not offer cash for gas. But, he
did pay his share of the house and food. My brother and his friend
shared a boat that week and split everything 50/50 and made comments
about sharing the cost in front of my friend. But, he was still
clueless.
My brother's father in-law has a boat at the Jersey shore. When he
invites me down, even though he has more money than I will ever see, I
offer and intend to pay part of the $100-150 fuel bill. But he always
refuses. But I always offer.
Does anyone have or has had this issue? What did you or are you going
do?

Paul

This has been an interesting thread, thanks for starting it.

Paul Dougherty wrote:

Hello Group,
I have a friend who I take out on my boat very often fishing. Grant
it, it is a small boat 16' 6". But it still runs on fuel. He never has
offered to pay for fuel or help to wash all the crude out of it from
fishing.

Your friend is either a dunce or a deadbeat. You and the other guys talked
it over in front of him, right? He didn't offer a dime when everybody else
chipped in, right?

I've had several friends who were deadbeats. After noticing their pattern,
and confirming it, I either quit doing things with them, or (if their
company was worth it) only did things with them that the cost would not
bother me. One of my best friends during and after college was a
deadbeat... part of it was that he had been poor most of his life, and
even after landing a good job could not bring himself to spend money (I
think... we never talked about it and he's dead now).

You have to decide for yourself whether to 1- stop inviting him or 2-
discuss the issue with him with as much humor and grace as you can
(preferably before inviting him again) or 3- just putting up with his
deadbeat ways.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

When they board my little 16' yellow jetboat, they see a sign I bought
at West Marine which is really funny, but pointedly hinting.....It
says:

THIS BOAT RUNS ON GAS - NOT THANKS

Works great!.....and everyone gets a smile....

"Ass, gas or grass.....NOBODY rides for free."



On 7 Aug 2003 14:27:27 -0700, (Paul Dougherty)
wrote:

Hello Group,
I have a friend who I take out on my boat very often fishing. Grant
it, it is a small boat 16' 6". But it still runs on fuel. He never has
offered to pay for fuel or help to wash all the crude out of it from
fishing. I did invite him to go so I do not feel right asking him. For
example yesterday we went fishing at small lake. I drove my truck,
towing my boat 140+ miles round trip, used 6 gallons of fuel on the
lake. I know that is not a lot since some people here have boats that
use 6 gallons just to start. But, he could offer.
Another example last year we went to Canada for a "guys" week. We used
60-70 gallons of fuel running around a much bigger lake (Bobs Lake if
anyone knows where that is) that week. That is not including the 70-80
gallons to get there and back. He did not offer cash for gas. But, he
did pay his share of the house and food. My brother and his friend
shared a boat that week and split everything 50/50 and made comments
about sharing the cost in front of my friend. But, he was still
clueless.
My brother's father in-law has a boat at the Jersey shore. When he
invites me down, even though he has more money than I will ever see, I
offer and intend to pay part of the $100-150 fuel bill. But he always
refuses. But I always offer.
Does anyone have or has had this issue? What did you or are you going
do?

Paul

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

Paul- It's your fault for letting it go this long, you have to speak up,
the longer you drag it out the worst it gets, SPEAK UP! It's the same
with boat duties, putting the bumpers/fenders out, loading-unloading the
tackle and gear, cleaning up, covering the boat, trailer duty, you're
the captain. SPEAK UP! Tom.

In article ,
says...
Paul- It's your fault for letting it go this long, you have to speak up,
the longer you drag it out the worst it gets, SPEAK UP! It's the same
with boat duties, putting the bumpers/fenders out, loading-unloading the
tackle and gear, cleaning up, covering the boat, trailer duty, you're
the captain. SPEAK UP! Tom.


Damn, if the guy has to drive 140 miles round trip to use his boat he
should consider moving!

"Bchbound" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Paul- It's your fault for letting it go this long, you have to speak up,
the longer you drag it out the worst it gets, SPEAK UP! It's the same
with boat duties, putting the bumpers/fenders out, loading-unloading the
tackle and gear, cleaning up, covering the boat, trailer duty, you're
the captain. SPEAK UP! Tom.


Damn, if the guy has to drive 140 miles round trip to use his boat he
should consider moving!

For those of use who live in the woods, it's necessary.

And I wouldn't move for anything. ;)

Later,

Tom

Bchbound wrote in message t...
In article ,
says...
Paul- It's your fault for letting it go this long, you have to speak up,
the longer you drag it out the worst it gets, SPEAK UP! It's the same
with boat duties, putting the bumpers/fenders out, loading-unloading the
tackle and gear, cleaning up, covering the boat, trailer duty, you're
the captain. SPEAK UP! Tom.


Damn, if the guy has to drive 140 miles round trip to use his boat he
should consider moving!

I normally do not drive 140 mile round trip. I can drive 4 miles to
boat and fish in The Schuylkill River. But, I like a change in scenery
once in a while.
Paul

I have the same situation, but I've come not to expect anyone I entertain on
my boat to pony up gas money. I love going out on my boat, tubing etc, and
the consumption of gas is part of having fun. My friends are all close and
good and they usually offer to pay for gas, or do other things for me that
make up for it. We often go to islands or nice little bays and have bbq
picnics and stuff which are usually pot luck. Works out great.

On the other hand, if I was low on cash... and someone offered to help pay
for gas, I'd most definitely take them up on the offer.

Mike


"Paul Dougherty" wrote in message
om...
Hello Group,
I have a friend who I take out on my boat very often fishing. Grant
it, it is a small boat 16' 6". But it still runs on fuel. He never has
offered to pay for fuel or help to wash all the crude out of it from
fishing. I did invite him to go so I do not feel right asking him. For
example yesterday we went fishing at small lake. I drove my truck,
towing my boat 140+ miles round trip, used 6 gallons of fuel on the
lake. I know that is not a lot since some people here have boats that
use 6 gallons just to start. But, he could offer.
Another example last year we went to Canada for a "guys" week. We used
60-70 gallons of fuel running around a much bigger lake (Bobs Lake if
anyone knows where that is) that week. That is not including the 70-80
gallons to get there and back. He did not offer cash for gas. But, he
did pay his share of the house and food. My brother and his friend
shared a boat that week and split everything 50/50 and made comments
about sharing the cost in front of my friend. But, he was still
clueless.
My brother's father in-law has a boat at the Jersey shore. When he
invites me down, even though he has more money than I will ever see, I
offer and intend to pay part of the $100-150 fuel bill. But he always
refuses. But I always offer.
Does anyone have or has had this issue? What did you or are you going
do?

Paul

As our mothers would say, "Some people were raised in a barn", which is an
insult to the pigs, cows, goats and chickens. Even my own son offers to buy
the potato chips when we stop to gas up the truck. (I let him because it
makes him feel good, but I help fund his skateboard exploits and movies).

Last night, I went to an orientation for his 9th grade class. Five seats
away in the auditorium, there was a mother and 3 kids, all at least 12 years
old. All four were talking at normal conversation volume for a loud
restaurant, while school people were giving presentations. I told the mother
that she and her kids were being obnoxious, so they moved to new seats and
continued talking.

Raised in a barn.