Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:58:50 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:06 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Karl Denninger wrote:

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Yes, there are. And a lot more than just mine.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 15 Jul 2004 03:58:55 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Wow, I should have paid more attention to Jax's ramblings, they ARE
quite humorous! Now, in context, did he REALLY say that the earth's
surface was planar? The rest I can put off to just not knowing, but
that one is just foolish!

Here's the original reference, which, ironically, was in another thread
back in 2001 where Jox was also confused over Junger's description in
"The Perfect Storm".

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...0mb-fz.aol.com

Excerpt:

In his book, "The Perfect Storm", Sabastian Junger makes note that the
(nervous) crew of doomed fishing vessel "cleaned the spark plugs" in the boat's
diesel engine before they set off. That single line instantly branded the
story as fiction and Junger as someone portraying himself as an expert he most
definitely was not. I understand that his portrayal of the thoughts of someone
near to drowning were also substantially at variance with reality. I
understand quite number of other variances exist in Junger's book as well.

I'm not sure Sabastian Junger is a mariner you'd want to go to sea with. I
know for an absolute fact that I wouldn't trust the navigational abilities of
anyone who claimed (nay, insisted) that vectors are "3 dimensional".

btw, if vectors are "3 dimensional", just how can they be used at a point on
the Earth's surface (which by definition is planer).

Spark plugs in a diesel = three dimensions for a vector. Tain't right, Marsha.
Tain't right.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 15 Jul 2004 13:02:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

no, base kisser, the statement was made that across the distance from NYC to
Phildelphia the surface of the Earth is less than a meter or so from planer and
therefore there is no need to calculate curvature to know the distance to sail
a boat. "steve" didn't understand that .

As usual, Jox is wrong. The statement was made in the discussion about
3d vectors, where Jox made the general statement:

btw, if vectors are "3 dimensional", just how can they be used at a
point on the Earth's surface (which by definition is planer).

Anyway you look at it, it's a stupid statement. A "point on the Earth's
surface" is a point, not planar. And the Earth's surface itself hasn't
been described as planar for a long time.

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

According to Jox, a bullet does not travel a ballistic path because it's
guided by the barrel for the initial portion of it's flight. According
to Jox, an ICBM doesn't have a guidance system even though the rest of
the world knows that's not true. According to Jox, the earth's magnetic
field is not an outside reference that the compass reads when you're
doing ded reckoning. He's just full of stupidity.

no does "steve" have any rational clew what cost accounting is (nevermind it
has been a thoroughly understood business principal for more than forty years),
nor does he have anyremote clew that differences (there are many, many, many)
between a generator and an alternator.

And Jox still doesn't believe that the voltage produced by an alternator
isn't related to the rpm. He's easily confused because he may be
thinking of ones with a builtin regulator, which not all have.

no does he have an rational clew how a gyroscope works.

Ah, I see Jox still doesn't believe there's such a thing as a north
seeking gyro even after the principles of how it works were explained to
him and he was shown commercial examples of them. What a moron.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:49:49 GMT, (Steven Shelikoff)
wrote:

On 15 Jul 2004 13:02:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

According to Jox, a bullet does not travel a ballistic path because it's
guided by the barrel for the initial portion of it's flight. According
to Jox, an ICBM doesn't have a guidance system even though the rest of
the world knows that's not true.

I should have said that according to Jox, a bullet, after it leaves the
barrel, does not travel a ballistic path because it was guided down the
barrel. Just like an ICBM must not travel a ballistic path during the
final portion of it's flight because it was guided by it's guidance
system during it's initial portion of it's flight. He just doesn't
understand that an ICBM does, indeed have a navigation system. Inertial
and GPS are the usual ones.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

dude, I sold services for ARPANET back in the days when only universities and
defense contractor's cared.

JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

That's arguably true, but irrelevant. ARPANET and UUCPNET were completely
different networks. ARPANET came long before UUCPNET but was significantly
more advanced. ARPANET was an inter-network from the very beginning, using
packet switching and automated routing, whereas UUCPNET was a
point-to-point network with multi-hop routing being done manually (with
bang paths). The underlying communications were different as well:
UUCPNET was primarily a loose collection of computers tied together with
dialup whereas ARPANET was on leased lines, from the very beginning.
Protocols were also different: ARPANET originally used NCP and then
switched to TCP/IP in the early 80s. UUCPNET used the UUCP protocol (it's
actually more accurate to say that the collection of computers using UUCP
was called UUCPNET). Eventually, UUCPNET merged into
ARPANET/NSFNet/Internet by transporting UUCP data streams in TCP, but that
was a fairly quick-n-dirty way to combine the networks, and UUCP was pretty
much phased out. It's still occasionally used for transferring files, by
people who don't care about security or performance.

Basically, UUCPNET was a poor solution (though one remembered with
fondness), and was quickly replaced by the TCP/IP-based ARPANET, which
eventually grew into what we now call the Internet. The morphing of
ARPANET into Internet was less a technological change and more of an
administration and funding change, so people can and do disagree about
whether or not ARPANET really is gone, or if it's just been renamed.

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Karl, there you go being rational and what all. You are going to confuse those
what think that "naturally aspired" 2-stroke diesels don't have a supercharger
installed.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

guys, "IP" ------------- means --------------Internet Protocol and has not a
thing with how the beast was connected.


customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

not one of you clowns knows what IP, or what intenet connection, or data
communication means. go to MacDonalds and have an Egg McMuffin and tell each
what telecom geniuses you are.

From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/15/2004 7:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:06 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Karl Denninger wrote:

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Yes, there are. And a lot more than just mine.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it
up,
you lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb question again.


Have at it, genius, pick one....


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=defmore&q=def
ine:reference

... but none of them satisfy your usage's requirements.


What is a "specimin" ?

Of course someone that can't spell "specimen" should be expected to
express themselves using the proper word, either. Therefore, your
ignorant and inaccurate postings are understood, though not
necessarily forgiven.

Please try harder....
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