Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you miserable yo-yo, what is the street? what is the lighthouse?

or, maybe gene --
licensed-by-the-US-Government-Mechanic-After-Only-20-Years-of-Practise that you
are -- you don't know what the word "reference" means?

either that or you are one miserably dumb specimin.

If you can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you are...

"steve", who is not known for rational thought, makes that claim that the
above
statement is false, in essence saying that if you can see where you are you
still don't know where you are.

why "steve" says that is anybody's guess.

Let's try a practical application of this statement. Going on what I
can currently see; assuming that three points are necessary for
accurate triangulation, assuming the veracity of your statement:

"If you can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you
are..."

and,

If you see a light house that has no marking and no light, and
If you see a major street leading directly away from you towards the
NW, and
If you see two range markers in line.

Where are you?
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it up,
you lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb question again.

gene, you miserable yo-yo, what is the street? what is the lighthouse?

or, maybe gene --
licensed-by-the-US-Government-Mechanic-After-Only-20-Years-of-Practise that
you
are -- you don't know what the word "reference" means?

either that or you are one miserably dumb specimin.


Me? Me??? You are the one that made the idiotic statement, "If you
can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you are..."

I only gave you a practical example of the idiocy of your own
statement... Do you finally see how stupid your statement is?

What is a "specimin" ?


--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Shawn, you be confusin' "steve" wiffin facts, now.

Nice to have you aboard Shawn.

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

That's arguably true, but irrelevant. ARPANET and UUCPNET were completely
different networks. ARPANET came long before UUCPNET but was significantly
more advanced. ARPANET was an inter-network from the very beginning, using
packet switching and automated routing, whereas UUCPNET was a
point-to-point network with multi-hop routing being done manually (with
bang paths). The underlying communications were different as well:
UUCPNET was primarily a loose collection of computers tied together with
dialup whereas ARPANET was on leased lines, from the very beginning.
Protocols were also different: ARPANET originally used NCP and then
switched to TCP/IP in the early 80s. UUCPNET used the UUCP protocol (it's
actually more accurate to say that the collection of computers using UUCP
was called UUCPNET). Eventually, UUCPNET merged into
ARPANET/NSFNet/Internet by transporting UUCP data streams in TCP, but that
was a fairly quick-n-dirty way to combine the networks, and UUCP was pretty
much phased out. It's still occasionally used for transferring files, by
people who don't care about security or performance.

Basically, UUCPNET was a poor solution (though one remembered with
fondness), and was quickly replaced by the TCP/IP-based ARPANET, which
eventually grew into what we now call the Internet. The morphing of
ARPANET into Internet was less a technological change and more of an
administration and funding change, so people can and do disagree about
whether or not ARPANET really is gone, or if it's just been renamed.

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ps.com,
rock_doctor wrote:



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

A rebuild is done when necessary (obviously). I have heard that a 2-stroke
Detroit will last around 2500 to 3000 hrs (according to a specific owner).

Depends on the Detroit.

2-cycle DDs that are naturally aspirated will often run well past 10,000
hours with nothing more than routine maintenance and perhaps an injector
change or two.

Turboed engines are another matter. The basic rule of thumb appears to be:

0.5hp/cid or less - 5,000+ hours (10k is not unreasonable)
0.7hp/cid - 5,000 hours is reasonable to expect.
0.8hp/cid - 2,500 hours is reasonable to expect.
0.9hp/cid - 1,500 hours is reasonable to expect.
1.0hp/cid+ - You have grenades with the pins out in your bilge.
Do not drop the spoon.

A 6-71 has 426cid, and a 6V92 has 552cid. Do the math.

I know of one guy who claims 2,500 hours on 625HP DDEC-II 6V92, and is
****ed off that he's smoking a lot at this point and is generally exhibiting
signs that the engines are worn out. My reply to him is that he's been damn
fortunate and that a lot of engines of that size at that rating don't make
1,000 hours before they go "bang".

--
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http://www.denninger.net My home on the net
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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ,
Steven Shelikoff wrote:


On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:42:53 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

Heheheeh.

I find this amusing beyond words considering that at one time I moved the
majority (in terms of bytes/day) of the Usenet traffic through the greater
Chicago area, and had only Telebit Trailblazer modems to do it with :)

--
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http://www.denninger.net My home on the net
http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING!
http://boaterforum.com Talk about Boating online - any topic, any time!
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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ,
Shawn Willden wrote:


Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Shawn.

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

--
--
Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist
http://www.denninger.net My home on the net
http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING!
http://boaterforum.com Talk about Boating online - any topic, any time!
http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME!

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Karl Denninger wrote:

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 15 Jul 2004 12:48:10 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

Another non-sequitor and stupid statement by you. Usenet did not depend
on arpanet either. You could read and post to usenet newgroups without
an arpanet or what it has become (internet) connection, and still can.

Steve


Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve