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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Just curious. Some of the Ivy league schools are quite liberal...and
some
are quite conservative. If you went to Dartmouth, you were likely very
lonely. If you went to Brown or Princeton, you probably fit right in.
If
you went to Yale, you are bitter for not being selected into the order
of
Skull and Bones.



Absurd. The Ivy schools are hotbeds of intellectual and philsophical
diversity.

That's the same thing U of C Berkeley always claims about itself, too. Many
of its students have quite a different view, however.

http://www.gofast.org/TheDiversityHoax.htm

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Just curious. Some of the Ivy league schools are quite liberal...and
some
are quite conservative. If you went to Dartmouth, you were likely very
lonely. If you went to Brown or Princeton, you probably fit right in.
If
you went to Yale, you are bitter for not being selected into the order
of
Skull and Bones.



Absurd. The Ivy schools are hotbeds of intellectual and philsophical
diversity.

That's the same thing U of C Berkeley always claims about itself, too. Many
of its students have quite a different view, however.

http://www.gofast.org/


If they have a different view, that only proves the existence of diversity.







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"Jamce1" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

My former fishing partner is both black and liberal.

do you get a tax writeoff for that?

chris

Nope, but I do get a tax write off if I donate to Conservative politicians

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That's Calif Bill. Us really great engineers demand capitalization.

"Jamce1" wrote in message
...
Subject: OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
From: "Bill Cole"
Date: 8/11/03 2:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

When you see people such as Harry and Basslicker spending so much time
telling you their credentials, it makes you wonder if they are really
lying
or just very very insecure. My guess is both.

throw calif bill in that too. dont let your political affiliation blind
you of
displays of arrogance.

chris

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

By the time Dubya was at Yale, Skull was mostly nothing more than a
booze club.

My school had some "booze clubs"...but none of 'em had members who became
Presidents (Bush), US Senators (Kerry), US Ambassadors (Austin), Directors
of the NIMH (Cowdry),etc.

And all of 'em were in Bush's 1968 class.

If Kerry is the nominee, I wonder if they'll have an election...or just a
gentleman's duel.

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

By the time Dubya was at Yale, Skull was mostly nothing more than a
booze club.

My school had some "booze clubs"...but none of 'em had members who became
Presidents (Bush), US Senators (Kerry), US Ambassadors (Austin), Directors
of the NIMH (Cowdry),etc.

And all of 'em were in Bush's 1968 class.

If Kerry is the nominee, I wonder if they'll have an election...or just a
gentleman's duel.




I'd prefer to see and hear them each read aloud unrehearsed a page
chosen at random from Moby Dick. Listening to Dubya stumble through
passages of what many consider the greatest American novel would be
worth the price of admission.

The only conclusion that might be drawn from such a duel? Bush is a dummy.



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"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Rural Knight" wrote in message
link.net...

"Joe" wrote in message
...


You can not say your a Licensed Engineer in 27 states if you are
not
personally licensed in each state.

That would be in those states which actually have a license
procedure
for being an engineer - which are few.

Later,

Tom

As far as I know, every state has a requirement that you have your
P.E.
to
be able to call yourself a "licensed engineer", "professional
engineer"
"consulting engineer", or offer engineering services to the public.

Not true. Only a PE requires some sort of licensure at the state
level in Connecticut.

I have been an engineer and consulting engineer for most of my
30 plus years in the field and have never been licensed by anybody.

Later,

Tom

I'm all with you on not having to be a P.E. to be an "engineer" but I
thought every state had the same requirement that you must be a P.E. to
work
directly to the public as an engineer, or to submit building plans.

Does Connecticut not regulate the titles "professional engineer"
consulting
engineer" or "licensed engineer"?

I have never worked for the "public". Most of my work was in
the world of mathematics mainly fluid, thermo and mechanical
dynamics as it relates to materials applications unless you count
the early days when I actually accomplished something by being
a Communications Engineer.

As to the title PE, yes, they regulate that, but as far as I'm aware,
there is not a requirement consulting or having to have a license
as an engineer. Again, I've been retired for ten years, so I may
not be aware of any changes that some no nothing may have
perpetrated in the legislature.

Later,

Tom

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
You can not say your a Licensed Engineer in 27 states if you are not
personally licensed in each state.

That would be in those states which actually have a license procedure
for being an engineer - which are few.

Later,

Tom

As far as I know, every state has a requirement that you have your P.E. to
be able to call yourself a "licensed engineer", "professional engineer"
"consulting engineer", or offer engineering services to the public.

Well, hell, JoeTechnician, you tried to say you were an engineer.
Would this not be offering "engineering services"?

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"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net...
Bingo!

Atlantacad, KevinCad, JimDandy, etc.

All the same guy.
Heehee!!! What a dummy!

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OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Joe" wrote in message ...
Boy are you going over the edge.

I'm going over the edge? Seems that you, JoeTechnician, are the
one
who has GONE over! You don't know whether or not you need a
license in
Florida. You don't know whether you HAVE a license in Florida, you
don't know whether or not you need a license in Georgia, you don't
know whether or not you HAVE a license in Georgia, you don't know
whether or not you have reciprocity in Georgia.

Once again, Dummy-
http://tinyurl.com/jpwb

Why don't you explain how you were licensed in 27 states last year
and
now
your licensed in only 4.
Did you fail the drug screening process?
Did 23 of states recently enact mental health requirements?

The company I WORKED FOR....big difference.

Your so full of ****. If *you* don't personally hold the license in each
state, *you* are not licensed in each state.
Big difference between stating that "I'm now licensed in 27 states" and
the
"company I worked for" is licensed in 27 states.

http://tinyurl.com/jrla


So, are you going to ignore everything you can't respond to?

When you said that "I'm now licensed in 27 states" you broke the law in (at
least) 23 states.
Probably the other 4 also.

You can not say your a Licensed Engineer in 27 states if you are not
personally licensed in each state.


Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
Why don't you explain how you were licensed in 27 states last year
and
now
your licensed in only 4.
Did you fail the drug screening process?
Did 23 of states recently enact mental health requirements?

The company I WORKED FOR....big difference.

Your so full of ****. If *you* don't personally hold the license in each
state, *you* are not licensed in each state.
Big difference between stating that "I'm now licensed in 27 states" and
the
"company I worked for" is licensed in 27 states.

http://tinyurl.com/jrla

Now, again, if you DON'T need to be licensed.....what IS the
reciprocity, that you say you have in GA for?

Very simple Assslicker, It is a contractors license for when I contract
directly to the public.

Name calling is so school girlish.

BWAAAAHAAAA!!!! Did you, or did you not say, that you were NOT
licensed in GA, because you didn't have to be?

That's right, *IF* I am contracting on my own, my Florida Limited Energy
License is accepted by GA.

Then, did you not turn around and say that, yes you were licensed as
an engineer in GA?

No, NEVER did I say I was a Licensed Engineer in GA or Fl

Then, did you not turn around and say that you were licensed in GA
through reciprocity?

Again, Limited Energy License.

No such animal in Georgia. Show proof.


There is NO reciprocity for a contractor's license in GA.

As usual, you are wrong.
From Florida Department of Business Regulation-

Let's see, I said there is no reciprocity for a contractor's license
in GA, and you give me crap about FL!!!! What a stupid man,
JoeTechnician.

2. Q. Does Florida endorse with other states?
A. Yes. Florida has endorsement agreements with Georgia and North Carolina.

An indorsement for a common contractors license is in NO WAY
reciprocity. Please prove reciprocity with GA.

The following is an endorsement matrix listing the license categories:
Florida Unlimited (EC) = North Carolina Unlimited
Florida Unlimited (EC) = Georgia Class II plus LV-U
Florida Alarm I (EF) = Georgia LV- U
Florida Alarm II (EG) = Georgia LV-A
Florida Residential Specialty (ES) = Georgia Class I
Florida (Low Voltage) Limited Energy (ES) = Georgia LV-T or LV-G

So freaking what??? This shows that you can get a CONTRACTOR'S license
in Georgia. ANYBODY can!!! Let's get back to the part where you claim
to be an engineer. I could care less whether you can pull wire in the
ceiling of an office building. I originally said you weren't an
engineer in GA and you aren't.

Also, a contractor's license is a LONG way from a license to practice
engineering.

Again, since I don't need it, I don't have it.
When I *do* Engineer systems my plans are incorporated into the Division 16
plans and stamped by a P.E.

You mean when you pull wire?

Anybody with any type of trade, from leaf picker, to lawn service can
get a contractor's license.

And obviously any idiot can get a P.E license.
That's if you really have one.

Sure, let's see, I COULD be one, but, I choose NOT to, I don't want to
be too educated.....JoeTechnician.....

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

By the time Dubya was at Yale, Skull was mostly nothing more than a
booze club.

My school had some "booze clubs"...but none of 'em had members who
became
Presidents (Bush), US Senators (Kerry), US Ambassadors (Austin),
Directors
of the NIMH (Cowdry),etc.

And all of 'em were in Bush's 1968 class.

If Kerry is the nominee, I wonder if they'll have an election...or just
a
gentleman's duel.




I'd prefer to see and hear them each read aloud unrehearsed a page
chosen at random from Moby Dick.

Yeah, that'd be a real manly way to "duke it out". What a fag...

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Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

Here's your post-
From: (JimDandy)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: OT--That terrific school U of C, Berkeley
Date: 6 Mar 2002 10:13:45 -0800
You sound like most of the Calif. people I've met when working out
there. Nose stuck in the air, acting like you're great, when in fact,
you're the same as every other working stiff. I also passed the EIT
first try. But, unlike you, I PUT myself in a position to take the PE,
which I passed first try also. I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design. I
have a very good job. I'm employed as a professional engineer, which
you are NOT. So, before you start knocking me, a person you don't know
at all, get your facts straight. I think maybe YOU should be the one
sweeping at wally world, after all, you're (so you claim) schooled in
engineering, but don't have a PE.
http://tinyurl.com/jrla

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Then, did you not turn around and say that, yes you were licensed as
an engineer in GA?

No, NEVER did I say I was a Licensed Engineer in GA or Fl

Then, did you not turn around and say that you were licensed in GA
through reciprocity?

Again, Limited Energy License.

No such animal in Georgia. Show proof.

Your right, in Ga it is called Georgia LV-T or LV-G

There is NO reciprocity for a contractor's license in GA.

As usual, you are wrong.
From Florida Department of Business Regulation-

Let's see, I said there is no reciprocity for a contractor's license
in GA, and you give me crap about FL!!!! What a stupid man,
JoeTechnician.

Call it want you want. If I want to contract in Ga, I can.
Takes nothing more than providing a copy of my Fl license and $20 or $30
dollars.


2. Q. Does Florida endorse with other states?
A. Yes. Florida has endorsement agreements with Georgia and North
Carolina.

An indorsement for a common contractors license is in NO WAY
reciprocity. Please prove reciprocity with GA.

What's an "indorsement" Dummy?


The following is an endorsement matrix listing the license categories:
Florida Unlimited (EC) = North Carolina Unlimited
Florida Unlimited (EC) = Georgia Class II plus LV-U
Florida Alarm I (EF) = Georgia LV- U
Florida Alarm II (EG) = Georgia LV-A
Florida Residential Specialty (ES) = Georgia Class I
Florida (Low Voltage) Limited Energy (ES) = Georgia LV-T or LV-G

So freaking what??? This shows that you can get a CONTRACTOR'S license
in Georgia. ANYBODY can!!!

Think so? You're getting dumber by the minute, Dummy

Let's get back to the part where you claim
to be an engineer. I could care less whether you can pull wire in the
ceiling of an office building. I originally said you weren't an
engineer in GA and you aren't.

I am currently employed as a Telecommunications Engineer.
I have never said I was a Licensed Engineer in Ga. You are the one that is
stuck on the notion that to be a "Engineer" you MUST be a "Licensed
Engineer" or a "Professional Engineer".

You never answered my question concerning the Engineers at NASA that do not
hold P.E.'s.
Do you think they're Engineers?

My Limited Energy License is not so *I* can pull wire in buildings, it so I
can hire people to install communications cabling, and equipment in
buildings. You do not personally need any license to install, only the
contracting company does.
I ONLY use/need this license when I contract out to the public. At the
moment I am under contract in an Engineering role and not contracting out to
the public.


Also, a contractor's license is a LONG way from a license to practice
engineering.

Again, since I don't need it, I don't have it.
When I *do* Engineer systems my plans are incorporated into the Division
16
plans and stamped by a P.E.

You mean when you pull wire?

Please keep it a secret that I pull wire.
I wouldn't want my current employer to know that a "wire puller" is
designing their new long haul SONET network.

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Bingo!

Atlantacad, KevinCad, JimDandy, etc.

All the same guy.
Heehee!!! What a dummy!

Yeah, he forgot to include OnLanier.

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
Bingo!

Atlantacad, KevinCad, JimDandy, etc.

All the same guy.
Heehee!!! What a dummy!

Yeah, he forgot to include OnLanier.

Awe, what's the matter, JoeTechnician? No cable pulling today?

JoeTechnician has said:
Yes, I am, an engineer, no, wait, I'm not. Yes, I am, I'm licensed in
Fl. and GA. No, wait, I don't need a license in GA. Oh, I have
reciprocity in GA. Um, I have reciprocity, but don't have a license. I
forget what the reciprocity is for. Oh, I have a CONTRACTORS license
in GA. Yeah, that's it. I got a GA contractor's license through
reciprocity. Although they don't offer contractor's licenses through
reciprocity. All in all you've been busted, lying through your teeth.
And you KNOW it.

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
Then, did you not turn around and say that, yes you were licensed as
an engineer in GA?

No, NEVER did I say I was a Licensed Engineer in GA or Fl

Then, did you not turn around and say that you were licensed in GA
through reciprocity?

Again, Limited Energy License.

No such animal in Georgia. Show proof.

Your right, in Ga it is called Georgia LV-T or LV-G

There is NO reciprocity for a contractor's license in GA.

As usual, you are wrong.
From Florida Department of Business Regulation-

Let's see, I said there is no reciprocity for a contractor's license
in GA, and you give me crap about FL!!!! What a stupid man,
JoeTechnician.

Call it want you want. If I want to contract in Ga, I can.
Takes nothing more than providing a copy of my Fl license and $20 or $30
dollars.

Yes, as I said, anybody with a few bucks can get a contractor's
license in GA. Now, just what WAS that Georgia reciprosity for? Huh?
You've come a long way in your lie. First, you were an engineer in FL,
and GA. Now you are a contractor, with a normal every day contractor's
license. NOW you've just eluded to the fact that you don't HAVE a
license in GA, but can get one for $20. So, what WAS that reciprosity
for??


2. Q. Does Florida endorse with other states?
A. Yes. Florida has endorsement agreements with Georgia and North
Carolina.

An indorsement for a common contractors license is in NO WAY
reciprocity. Please prove reciprocity with GA.

What's an "indorsement" Dummy?

Gone so far in your LIE that you have to correct spelling? How about
some REAL questions:
Where are you licensed as an engineer again? OH, FL and GA.
Reciprosity in GA. But now you are claiming that you can get a
contractors license. ANYBODY can. Now you are saying you CAN get a GA
contractor's license. Reciprosity was for???


The following is an endorsement matrix listing the license categories:
Florida Unlimited (EC) = North Carolina Unlimited
Florida Unlimited (EC) = Georgia Class II plus LV-U
Florida Alarm I (EF) = Georgia LV- U
Florida Alarm II (EG) = Georgia LV-A
Florida Residential Specialty (ES) = Georgia Class I
Florida (Low Voltage) Limited Energy (ES) = Georgia LV-T or LV-G

So freaking what??? This shows that you can get a CONTRACTOR'S license
in Georgia. ANYBODY can!!!

Think so? You're getting dumber by the minute, Dummy

Let's get back to the part where you claim
to be an engineer. I could care less whether you can pull wire in the
ceiling of an office building. I originally said you weren't an
engineer in GA and you aren't.

I am currently employed as a Telecommunications Engineer.
I have never said I was a Licensed Engineer in Ga. You are the one that is
stuck on the notion that to be a "Engineer" you MUST be a "Licensed
Engineer" or a "Professional Engineer".

You never answered my question concerning the Engineers at NASA that do not
hold P.E.'s.
Do you think they're Engineers?

No. They are scientists. They may be educated as engineers. They may
or may not be licensed as engineers.

My Limited Energy License is not so *I* can pull wire in buildings, it so I
can hire people to install communications cabling, and equipment in
buildings. You do not personally need any license to install, only the
contracting company does.
I ONLY use/need this license when I contract out to the public. At the
moment I am under contract in an Engineering role and not contracting out to
the public.


Also, a contractor's license is a LONG way from a license to practice
engineering.

Again, since I don't need it, I don't have it.
When I *do* Engineer systems my plans are incorporated into the Division
16
plans and stamped by a P.E.

You mean when you pull wire?

Please keep it a secret that I pull wire.
I wouldn't want my current employer to know that a "wire puller" is
designing their new long haul SONET network.

Yeah, sure, JoeTechnician. You've been caught in a very long winded
lie. Should I recap just exactly what you've claimed, and then backed
away from, thus far?

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"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

By the time Dubya was at Yale, Skull was mostly nothing more than a
booze club.

My school had some "booze clubs"...but none of 'em had members who
became
Presidents (Bush), US Senators (Kerry), US Ambassadors (Austin),
Directors
of the NIMH (Cowdry),etc.

And all of 'em were in Bush's 1968 class.

If Kerry is the nominee, I wonder if they'll have an election...or just
a
gentleman's duel.




I'd prefer to see and hear them each read aloud unrehearsed a page
chosen at random from Moby Dick.

Yeah, that'd be a real manly way to "duke it out". What a fag...

Wow, I didn't know until now what a stupid, idiotic oaf you were.

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
I'm all with you on not having to be a P.E. to be an "engineer" but I
thought every state had the same requirement that you must be a P.E. to
work
directly to the public as an engineer, or to submit building plans.

Shows just what you know! Now you say you must be an engineer to
"submit building plans"???? What a stupid, stupid man!!!

Stamp plans.

Now are you saying you must be a P.E. to "stamp plans"? You're getting
dumber and dumber, I think because you are trying to worm out of your
lie.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
...
Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

You ignorant putz!!!! Can you take ANYTHING in context, JoeTechnician?

this is what I said:
I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design.

Now, I could see how someone could take this to me that me, myself was
licensed in 27 states, I'll grant you that. BUT, the meaning was the
COMPANY is licensed in 27 states. Now, where is it that you are
licensed to practice engineering? Florida and Georgia, with
reciprosity in Georgia, right?

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
...
Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

You ignorant putz!!!! Can you take ANYTHING in context, JoeTechnician?

this is what I said:
I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design.

Now, I could see how someone could take this to me that me, myself was
licensed in 27 states, I'll grant you that. BUT, the meaning was the
COMPANY is licensed in 27 states. Now, where is it that you are
licensed to practice engineering? Florida and Georgia, with
reciprosity in Georgia, right?

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

Typical in Georgia is around $100.00. Test is simple, takes about 1
1/2 hours. No experience necessary. Very UNLIKE the P.E. Exam. This is
from the State of Georgia website:

Q. How can I obtain a state license?
A. To obtain a state license as a conditioned air contractor,
electrical contractor, low voltage contractor, master plumber, or
journeyman plumber or a state certificate as a utility manager, you
must:

1. submit a completed application and non-refundable fee with
documentation of the qualifications and reference information,
2. submit a completed examination scheduling form with fee, and
3. pass the examination.

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Please keep it a secret that I pull wire.
I wouldn't want my current employer to know that a "wire puller" is
designing their new long haul SONET network.

Yeah, sure, JoeTechnician. You've been caught in a very long winded
lie. Should I recap just exactly what you've claimed-

Dont bother, I'll do it for you.
Here is exactly what I stated, in order from" The Bush Economy Stinks...and
Sinks" thread

1- I am an Engineer.

2- My title is "Telecommunications Infrastructure Engineer". I am licensed
in
Fl and Ga as a Limited Energy Specialist, and hold the professional
designation of RCDD. (Registered Communications Distribution Designer)

3- Not required nor available for Communications Engineering in FL or GA.
RCDD is the industry standard for communications engineering. 90% plus large
industry/government contracts require an RCDD stamped approval for all
communications design plans, and an RCDD onsite during installation for
QA/QC and PM.

4- Hey Asslicker, I never said I was a P.E.
Only 1 in 5 engineers are, or need to be. My specialty comes under Division
16 (Electrical) and must be stamped by a PE after my design.
5- I NEVER said I was an Registered Engineer in Georgia and Florida. I said
I
was licensed in Fl with (reciprocity in GA) as a Limited Energy Specialist.
I specifically stated that I was a "Telecommunications Infrastructure
Engineer".
6- One last time I shall try to explain to you.
I am an Engineer. A Telecommunications Engineer. My degree, experience,
responsibilities, and duties dictate this title within my organization.
I do ALL of the Telecommunications Engineering. My plans are inserted into
the Division 16 plans, and stamped by a P.E. when completed.
I am NOT a P.E., nor Registered, nor Certified, and never stated so.
I do NOT currently offer my services directly to the public. I work for an
Engineering Firm.
My title within my organization is legal, you may dispute this but it is
true. Read the law thoroughly.

The BICSI Registered Communications Distribution Designer (RCDD)
certification that I hold is required on most large contracts, from the
Engineering of the systems through to the project management and QC of the
installation. This has been added to most specifications due to the limited
knowledge of these systems by most P.E.'s. It may hurt your feelings but
most customers do NOT want a P.E. designing their communications
infrastructure.

My Limited Energy Specialty License is not required in my present position.
This license allows me to do all of the designing, pulling of permits,
hiring crews, etc, for any communications infrastructure or low voltage
projects in Fl, and Ga for which I directly contract with the public. I do
not need a P.E. to stamp my plans when contracting to the customer in
existing buildings. I submit my plans directly to the County in which the
work is performed.
I can not publicly advertise myself as an Engineer when contracting in this
role nor ever said I could.

TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEER within my current organization.
RCDD since it is required on most large contracts.
LIMITED ENERGY SPECIALTY LICENSE when I contract directly to the public.

Understand now?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
...
I'm all with you on not having to be a P.E. to be an "engineer" but
I
thought every state had the same requirement that you must be a P.E.
to
work
directly to the public as an engineer, or to submit building plans.

Shows just what you know! Now you say you must be an engineer to
"submit building plans"???? What a stupid, stupid man!!!

Stamp plans.

Now are you saying you must be a P.E. to "stamp plans"? You're getting
dumber and dumber, I think because you are trying to worm out of your
lie.

Are *you* now saying that a P.E. license is not required on completed
construction plans that submitted for permitting?
Hell, here in Florida you cant even build a deck on your house without a
P.E's stamp on the plans.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

You ignorant putz!!!! Can you take ANYTHING in context, JoeTechnician?

You said-
"I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design"

How am I taking this out of context?

this is what I said:
I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design.

Now, I could see how someone could take this to me that me, myself was
licensed in 27 states, I'll grant you that. BUT, the meaning was the
COMPANY is licensed in 27 states.

You now admit that you said it, but now you didn't mean it? You are too
much.
Face it, you lied, and you got caught.
You got caught lying about the exact same thing you accused me of by stating
" I'm now licensed in 27 states"
The only difference is that I never stated that I was a Licensed Engineer.

At least I got you to admit that you *are* JimDandy.

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Maybe in your state.
If the laws in Georgia are that lax, it would go a long way in explaining
how you were able to get your P.E. license.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Joe" wrote in message news:u9Y_a.12055
The only difference is that I never stated that I was a Licensed Engineer.

Really? What was the statement you made saying that you were "A
communications engineer, licensed in Florida, and Georgia about? And,
again, I ask, you have stated that you have reciprocity in Georgia,
did you not? Reciprocity for WHAT?

At least I got you to admit that you *are* JimDandy.

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Maybe in your state.
If the laws in Georgia are that lax, it would go a long way in explaining
how you were able to get your P.E. license.

Please tell us, what did you receive reciprocity for in Georgia?

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Joe" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
...
I'm all with you on not having to be a P.E. to be an "engineer" but
I
thought every state had the same requirement that you must be a P.E.
to
work
directly to the public as an engineer, or to submit building plans.

Shows just what you know! Now you say you must be an engineer to
"submit building plans"???? What a stupid, stupid man!!!

Stamp plans.

Now are you saying you must be a P.E. to "stamp plans"? You're getting
dumber and dumber, I think because you are trying to worm out of your
lie.

Are *you* now saying that a P.E. license is not required on completed
construction plans that submitted for permitting?

Yes. I am.

Hell, here in Florida you cant even build a deck on your house without a
P.E's stamp on the plans.

Bull****. On projects with a total cost of $100,000 or less, in most
states, a principal designer (like an architect, etc.) can also stamp,
sign and submit for approval engineering documents. If
self-constructed and less than $20,000, no stamp is needed.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Joe" wrote in message ...
Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

Typical in Georgia is around $100.00. Test is simple, takes about 1
1/2 hours. No experience necessary.

No experience necessary?
They give out Electrical Contractors licenses to people with NO experience
in Georgia?

In Florida for the license I hold you must fit into one of the following
experience categories-

Licensed as an Electrical Professional Engineer for 3 of the past 12 years.
Management experience in the trade for 3 of the past 6 years.
Foreman, Supervisor, or contractor in the trade for 4 of the past 8 years.
Technical education or broad experience associated with electrical or alarm
systems for 6 of the last 12 years

You must also list 5 jobs for each year of experience with contact
information, dates, and description of work performed.
All of this experience must be verifiable and W-2 forms provided for each
year.

In addition to the required experience you must provide a complete credit
report, verification of cash in the bank, a personal financial statement
prepared by a CPA, and a personal background check at the county, state and
federal levels.

After you complete all required paperwork it must be approved by the DBPR at
their quarterly meeting.
Once approved your are scheduled to sit for the test which will usually be 3
months after approval.

The test is a 5 hour test comprised of 100 questions on topics including
theory and electrical principals, wiring and protection, OSHA laws, business
law, and schematics and diagram interpretation.
The passing rate is approximately 50%
After passing the test, you must provide a copy your of liability and
workman's comp insurance to the state and if your lucky you will receive
your license 12 weeks after passing the test.

The whole process will take approx 9 months and with fees and books will
cost you $900.
Licensed Electrical Contractors are also required to take 14 hours of
continuing education during each biennium.

So, in Florida at least, not "everybody" can get a contractors license.

Wow,JoeTechnician, that must be just horrible! How DID you ever get
through such agony?
You've come a long way, I'll say that. Now you are admitting, that,
instead of being an engineer licensed in Florida, with reciprocity in
Georgia, that you are a contractor

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Joe" wrote in message ...
Please keep it a secret that I pull wire.
I wouldn't want my current employer to know that a "wire puller" is
designing their new long haul SONET network.

Yeah, sure, JoeTechnician. You've been caught in a very long winded
lie. Should I recap just exactly what you've claimed-

Dont bother, I'll do it for you.
Here is exactly what I stated, in order from" The Bush Economy Stinks...and
Sinks" thread

1- I am an Engineer.

2- My title is "Telecommunications Infrastructure Engineer". I am licensed
in
Fl and Ga as a Limited Energy Specialist, and hold the professional
designation of RCDD. (Registered Communications Distribution Designer)

3- Not required nor available for Communications Engineering in FL or GA.
RCDD is the industry standard for communications engineering. 90% plus large
industry/government contracts require an RCDD stamped approval for all
communications design plans, and an RCDD onsite during installation for
QA/QC and PM.

4- Hey Asslicker, I never said I was a P.E.
Only 1 in 5 engineers are, or need to be. My specialty comes under Division
16 (Electrical) and must be stamped by a PE after my design.
5- I NEVER said I was an Registered Engineer in Georgia and Florida. I said
I
was licensed in Fl with (reciprocity in GA) as a Limited Energy Specialist.
I specifically stated that I was a "Telecommunications Infrastructure
Engineer".
6- One last time I shall try to explain to you.
I am an Engineer. A Telecommunications Engineer. My degree, experience,
responsibilities, and duties dictate this title within my organization.
I do ALL of the Telecommunications Engineering. My plans are inserted into
the Division 16 plans, and stamped by a P.E. when completed.
I am NOT a P.E., nor Registered, nor Certified, and never stated so.
I do NOT currently offer my services directly to the public. I work for an
Engineering Firm.
My title within my organization is legal, you may dispute this but it is
true. Read the law thoroughly.

The BICSI Registered Communications Distribution Designer (RCDD)
certification that I hold is required on most large contracts, from the
Engineering of the systems through to the project management and QC of the
installation. This has been added to most specifications due to the limited
knowledge of these systems by most P.E.'s. It may hurt your feelings but
most customers do NOT want a P.E. designing their communications
infrastructure.

My Limited Energy Specialty License is not required in my present position.
This license allows me to do all of the designing, pulling of permits,
hiring crews, etc, for any communications infrastructure or low voltage
projects in Fl, and Ga for which I directly contract with the public. I do
not need a P.E. to stamp my plans when contracting to the customer in
existing buildings. I submit my plans directly to the County in which the
work is performed.
I can not publicly advertise myself as an Engineer when contracting in this
role nor ever said I could.

TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEER within my current organization.
RCDD since it is required on most large contracts.
LIMITED ENERGY SPECIALTY LICENSE when I contract directly to the public.

Understand now?

Absolutely, I've always understood:

You are not recognized in ANY state as an engineer.
You are a contractor.
Reciprocity in Georgia is a lie. You can't get reciprocity for a
contractor's license.
In the next post, you stated that in Florida, that a person can't even
build a deck without a PE stamping drawings to be submitted, but now
you claim that you can design, and build a complete communciations
infrastructure without having drawings stamped and signed by a PE??
Anybody can call THEMSELVES an engineer, including the man that picks
up my garbage. I think I'll call my wife, who owns a daycare center, a
Childcare Engineer. While I'm at it, I'll just tell everybody she's
licensed in Georgia, and has reciprocity in Florida...yeah, that's
it!!!

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

Wow,JoeTechnician, that must be just horrible! How DID you ever get
through such agony?
You've come a long way, I'll say that. Now you are admitting, that,
instead of being an engineer licensed in Florida, with reciprocity in
Georgia, that you are a contractor

Telecommunications Engineer, with a contractors license.
Dummy.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

Maybe they are as lax in testing PE's on Georgia as they are in giving
contractors license's. Would explain how asslicker got his PE.
Bill

"Joe" wrote in message
...

Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and
most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

Typical in Georgia is around $100.00. Test is simple, takes about 1
1/2 hours. No experience necessary.

No experience necessary?
They give out Electrical Contractors licenses to people with NO experience
in Georgia?

In Florida for the license I hold you must fit into one of the following
experience categories-

Licensed as an Electrical Professional Engineer for 3 of the past 12
years.
Management experience in the trade for 3 of the past 6 years.
Foreman, Supervisor, or contractor in the trade for 4 of the past 8 years.
Technical education or broad experience associated with electrical or
alarm
systems for 6 of the last 12 years

You must also list 5 jobs for each year of experience with contact
information, dates, and description of work performed.
All of this experience must be verifiable and W-2 forms provided for each
year.

In addition to the required experience you must provide a complete credit
report, verification of cash in the bank, a personal financial statement
prepared by a CPA, and a personal background check at the county, state
and
federal levels.

After you complete all required paperwork it must be approved by the DBPR
at
their quarterly meeting.
Once approved your are scheduled to sit for the test which will usually be
3
months after approval.

The test is a 5 hour test comprised of 100 questions on topics including
theory and electrical principals, wiring and protection, OSHA laws,
business
law, and schematics and diagram interpretation.
The passing rate is approximately 50%
After passing the test, you must provide a copy your of liability and
workman's comp insurance to the state and if your lucky you will receive
your license 12 weeks after passing the test.

The whole process will take approx 9 months and with fees and books will
cost you $900.
Licensed Electrical Contractors are also required to take 14 hours of
continuing education during each biennium.

So, in Florida at least, not "everybody" can get a contractors license.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

Bass,

Are you always so slow to learn? No one in rec.boats including Steve, Joe,
Calif Bill or others really care about the requirements for a PE test, they
are just having fun teasing you and watching you make a fool out of
yourself.

Now, I am just telling your this because I hate to see this go the way of
Bayliner boats. Also, it is always more fun to "catch and release" your
fish, so you can catch them on another day.

Bill



"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
Maybe they are as lax in testing PE's on Georgia as they are in giving
contractors license's. Would explain how asslicker got his PE.
Bill

I'll respond, even though you are using school girl name calling
again. Actually, the GA P.E. test is considered quite thorough and
difficult, when compared to other states. What states are YOU a
licensed PE in? I figure since you act like you have knowledge on the
subject, we'd use the states you are licensed in as a reference. Oh,
that's right, you're NOT licensed.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Bill Cole" wrote in message news:PTo0b.151641$Oz4.42106@rwcrnsc54...
Bass,

Are you always so slow to learn? No one in rec.boats including Steve, Joe,
Calif Bill or others really care about the requirements for a PE test, they
are just having fun teasing you and watching you make a fool out of
yourself.

Now, I am just telling your this because I hate to see this go the way of
Bayliner boats. Also, it is always more fun to "catch and release" your
fish, so you can catch them on another day.

Bill

IF that is true, the joke is on them. Let's take them one at a time.
First Steve. Here is a person who thinks he knows everything from what
it takes to be a P.E., to Karate. He knows nothing of either, except
what he gets from websites. In his eyes, this makes him an expert.
Truly pathetic.
Joe, he tried and tried to say he was an engineer, licensed in Fl. and
Ga. When he was confronted, he wiggled, he waggled, he ended up acting
rather stupid. He NOW claims that he is a licensed CONTRACTOR. That is
a big difference in being an engineer.
Calf Bill, I pointed out specific verbage from websites for several
states, stating without a doubt, that if you have "engineer" in your
title, your company name, etc. you MUST be licensed as a professional
engineer. In these states, as is MOST states in the U.S., it is a
crime to do so without being a licensed PE. He, too, once claimed he
was an engineer, now claims to be a contractor. Again, big difference
in the two, and not even remotely related.
You, you just take everything that Steve, Joe, and Calif Bill say as
gospel. Sorry to say, but they are wrong in these instances. So wrong
in fact, that the only thing they can now do is call names.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

"Bill Cole" wrote in message et...
Bass,
You still don't get it, no one in this NG cares about any of that. I only
jump in occasionally because it is fun to watch you fight and try to flip
the lure as your jump.

If "no one in this NG cares", then why the idiotic crap such as "I'm
an engineer, licensed in Fl. and Ga."? Why would Calif Bill make dumb
statements that are not backed up by ANY state statutes? I'll tell you
why. They DO care. Joe and Calif Bill are trying to make themselves
out to be something they are not. And then, when they can't defend
themselves, the name calling starts. I haven't flipped, they have. I
have stuck to my original statements, and still do, as they are
correct.

OT JoeTechnician licensed engineer or not?
 

You dummy! We pointed out that ONLY "Consulting Engineer" "Registered
Engineer" Professional Engineer" are prohibited titles. Since you have a
problem comprehending written english, I point this out again.
Bill

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
et...
Bass,
You still don't get it, no one in this NG cares about any of that. I
only
jump in occasionally because it is fun to watch you fight and try to
flip
the lure as your jump.

If "no one in this NG cares", then why the idiotic crap such as "I'm
an engineer, licensed in Fl. and Ga."? Why would Calif Bill make dumb
statements that are not backed up by ANY state statutes? I'll tell you
why. They DO care. Joe and Calif Bill are trying to make themselves
out to be something they are not. And then, when they can't defend
themselves, the name calling starts. I haven't flipped, they have. I
have stuck to my original statements, and still do, as they are
correct.