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The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated
vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). |
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The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a
gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). No, it clearly shows that the author misspoke. "I can fly." Does that mean that Gould has wings? Will they be clipped by the second edition? :-) |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
Ya know ..... there are people who get grants and make lifetime studies
of people, like our Jaxass ..... shame that they haven't been able to help him, to date. otn |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
goudie, would they print it if it weren't true?
Of course not. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). No, it clearly shows that the author misspoke. "I can fly." Does that mean that Gould has wings? Will they be clipped by the second edition? :-) |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
For all anyone who hasn't read the book knows, they could
have been talking about glow plugs. blay keys, you are not REALLY suggesting that fishing boat crew -- or anyone else, for that matter -- *******clean******* glow plugs, are you? dumb squat, wanna tell how **you** clean glow plugs???? We'll wait. For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. As someone suggested before, why not post the part that backs up your contention. For all anyone who hasn't read the book knows, they could have been talking about glow plugs. Was the book completely factual, or just based on events? Could be the books author wasn't that sharp when it comes to diesel engines. bb |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
over the knee, just how many drinks have you had tonight??
From: otnmbrd Date: 7/8/2004 9:36 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: k.net Ya know ..... there are people who get grants and make lifetime studies of people, like our Jaxass ..... shame that they haven't been able to help him, to date. otn |
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The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
schlackoff, diesel engines with spark plugs are called "multi-fuel" engines and
are rare. schlackie, you were caught with a fish hook in your mouth. For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). THAT's it? That's what you're basing your assertion that the Andrea Gail had a gas engine on? No mention of the type of engine? No mention of fuel? Jax, FYI, diesel engines can have plugs also. So it could have been a diesel engine and the author not even be wrong in his statement. If he had actually said it was a gas engine, he surely would have been wrong. Since you know so much about gas engines, what model gas engine do you think it had? Steve |
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The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
I believe that if you do some research, you will find that the Andrea Gail was
powered by a single John Deere diesel engine. It also was equipped with a gasoline powered ice maker which had been problematic on previous trips. JAXAshby wrote: For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
There's been plenty published about the Andrea Gail. Ships of that size, design, type, and vintage don't have gasoline engines for main propulsion or for generating main power. Period. But the ship might have had some sort of aux. gasoline powered equipment, such as a winch. More than likely, it simply was a mistake in the first draft and corrected later. Not gonna find gasoline powered equipment, other than an outboard. Winches will be hydraulic or electric, driven from the main or generator. |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
Did it specifically state *SPARK plugs*? There are many, many kinds of
"plugs", you know. In a diesel? that can be cleaned? |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
jim, the AUTHOR stated the crew cleaned the plugs on the engine the night
before the boat sailed, so ****therefore it has to be true**** doesn't it. perhaps the irony slipped by you, jim? I believe that if you do some research, you will find that the Andrea Gail was powered by a single John Deere diesel engine. It also was equipped with a gasoline powered ice maker which had been problematic on previous trips. JAXAshby wrote: For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
shen? do you want every last person on this ng to absolutely, positively,
without question **know** you are really, really, really dumb? If not, why in hell did you write thusly: There's been plenty published about the Andrea Gail. Ships of that size, design, type, and vintage don't have gasoline engines for main propulsion or for generating main power. Period. But the ship might have had some sort of aux. gasoline powered equipment, such as a winch. More than likely, it simply was a mistake in the first draft and corrected later. Not gonna find gasoline powered equipment, other than an outboard. Winches will be hydraulic or electric, driven from the main or generator. |
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The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
shen lacks the intelligence to claim more that he has. instead he claims 82 is
nearly as high as it can possibly get. From: " Date: 7/9/2004 10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: On 10 Jul 2004 02:30:27 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: shen? do you want every last person on this ng to absolutely, positively, without question **know** you are really, really, really dumb? All he has to do is change his screen name to JAXAshby. bb |
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Subject: The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/09/2004 19:30 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: shen? do you want every last person on this ng to absolutely, positively, without question **know** you are really, really, really dumb? If not, why in hell did you write thusly: ROFLMAO Oh please Oh Most Knowing .... Please tell me how the winches, refigeration systems (if used) are driven. You've never been within 200 feet of one of these boats,but typically consider yourself an expert .... please feel free to teach us all.... be my guest.... doubt one valid piece of information will come of this. ROFLMAO Shen There's been plenty published about the Andrea Gail. Ships of that size, design, type, and vintage don't have gasoline engines for main propulsion or for generating main power. Period. But the ship might have had some sort of aux. gasoline powered equipment, such as a winch. More than likely, it simply was a mistake in the first draft and corrected later. Not gonna find gasoline powered equipment, other than an outboard. Winches will be hydraulic or electric, driven from the main or generator. |
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bject: The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
From: " Date: 07/09/2004 19:51 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: On 10 Jul 2004 02:30:27 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: shen? do you want every last person on this ng to absolutely, positively, without question **know** you are really, really, really dumb? All he has to do is change his screen name to JAXAshby. bb ROFL Guess this one can be takin a number of ways...........bet I know how Jaxass will take it...... Shen |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
shen, it was **IRONY** from the very start. do you know what irony means? If
so, why do you seem to not get it even after all these many days? shen? do you want every last person on this ng to absolutely, positively, without question **know** you are really, really, really dumb? If not, why in hell did you write thusly: ROFLMAO Oh please Oh Most Knowing .... Please tell me how the winches, refigeration systems (if used) are driven. You've never been within 200 feet of one of these boats,but typically consider yourself an expert .... please feel free to teach us all.... be my guest.... doubt one valid piece of information will come of this. ROFLMAO Shen There's been plenty published about the Andrea Gail. Ships of that size, design, type, and vintage don't have gasoline engines for main propulsion or for generating main power. Period. But the ship might have had some sort of aux. gasoline powered equipment, such as a winch. More than likely, it simply was a mistake in the first draft and corrected later. Not gonna find gasoline powered equipment, other than an outboard. Winches will be hydraulic or electric, driven from the main or generator. |
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Subject: The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/09/2004 20:21 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: shen, it was **IRONY** from the very start. do you know what irony means? If so, why do you seem to not get it even after all these many days? **IRONY** or not, as expected, as per usual, you are incapable of answering any question posed, regarding any subject. Might I suggest that when you learn a new word, such as "irony", that you try it out in a political NG where your degree of intelligence will match if not exceed, those of the other respondents. Shen |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
sorry but that I confused you, shen. too many big words I now realize.
shen, I don't really believe that boat had a gas engine. really don't. never did. I just found it amusing the author didn't know diesel engines don't have spark plugs. I gather the you, shen, didn't know either unti Friday afternoon sometime. shen, it was **IRONY** from the very start. do you know what irony means? If so, why do you seem to not get it even after all these many days? **IRONY** or not, as expected, as per usual, you are incapable of answering any question posed, regarding any subject. Might I suggest that when you learn a new word, such as "irony", that you try it out in a political NG where your degree of intelligence will match if not exceed, those of the other respondents. Shen |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
sorry but that I confused you, shen. too many big words I now realize.
shen, I don't really believe that boat had a gas engine. really don't. never did. I just found it amusing the author didn't know diesel engines Time out. Jax, you're having way too much fun for a guy who has yet to prove his point. Please quote, verbatim, from the book (any edition) the passages where you claim the author refers to a gasoline engines or spark plugs aboard "Andrea Gail." |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
gould, for the kriste's sake almighty, I did already. Several times.
sorry but that I confused you, shen. too many big words I now realize. shen, I don't really believe that boat had a gas engine. really don't. never did. I just found it amusing the author didn't know diesel engines Time out. Jax, you're having way too much fun for a guy who has yet to prove his point. Please quote, verbatim, from the book (any edition) the passages where you claim the author refers to a gasoline engines or spark plugs aboard "Andrea Gail." |
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This was an interesting thread. I though the Andrea Gail, like her sister
ship, the Lady Grace were both powered by a single 12v71 detroit diesel. This makes sense to me as the picture I did find of Lady Grace's engine room showed a green engine block (although I would swear looks like a 6-71 not a 12v71 as stated).. I had a friend in high school whose father was a shrimper and had a 72ft "boat" made around the same time at the same yard. It also had a single 12v-71 so I think this was the engine of choice at that yard. But I found a site that had pictures of the Andrea Gail taken by an insurance inspector in 1990 showing a nice image of the main engine, which was a Caterpillar. I guess she had been repowered at some point. All links are listed below. about the Lady Grace: http://perfectstorm.warnerbros.com/cmp/dispatch1.html images of the Lady Grace: http://www.andreagail.com/The_Andrea...drea_gail.html insurance images of the Andrea Gail: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/moa/fvagphotos.htm |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
schlackoff, NObody "cleans" fuel injectors on a diesel the night before leaving
on an ocean trip, and NObody cleans the glow plugs either. btw, wanna tell us just how glow plugs are cleaned by the crew? also, why in hell do fishing boats "often do a teardown" (your words, see below) on a engine to do a major overhaul (as you as described, see below) "between such trips"? (your words, see below) Your mistake is assuming that he meant "spark" plugs when he said plugs I made no mistake at all. the author made the mistake, I just noticed it. you schlackoff, on the other hand, STILL are not sure that maybe the author was right and the crew cleaned the plugs the night before they left. he AUTHOR stated the crew cleaned the plugs on the engine the night before the boat sailed, so ****therefore it has to be true**** doesn't it. perhaps the irony slipped by you, jim? Not only would they "clean the plugs" on a diesel before they take off on a trip like that, but they'll often do a teardown between such trips. Maybe replace the liners, pistons, bearings, whatever shows signs of wear. Notice he didn't say spark plugs. Diesel injectors could also be called plugs since they, just like spark plugs, *plug* a hole in the cylinder head. Glow plugs are also called plugs because they also plug a hole. Your mistake is assuming that he meant "spark" plugs when he said plugs. And from there you took it to the height of stupidity by claiming: "The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine." The only irony is that you're able to figure out how to post to a newsgroup. Steve |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
schlackoff, you are too stupid for words.
schlackoff, diesel engines with spark plugs are called "multi-fuel" engines and are rare. Which proves you can't read. It didn't say "spark" plugs. schlackie, you were caught with a fish hook in your mouth. Joxitchbe, you were caught in yet another blunder. Add it to the list. Steve For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). THAT's it? That's what you're basing your assertion that the Andrea Gail had a gas engine on? No mention of the type of engine? No mention of fuel? Jax, FYI, diesel engines can have plugs also. So it could have been a diesel engine and the author not even be wrong in his statement. If he had actually said it was a gas engine, he surely would have been wrong. Since you know so much about gas engines, what model gas engine do you think it had? Steve |
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Subject: The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/09/2004 22:14 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: sorry but that I confused you, shen. too many big words I now realize. shen, I don't really believe that boat had a gas engine. really don't. never did. I just found it amusing the author didn't know diesel engines don't have spark plugs. I gather the you, shen, didn't know either unti Friday afternoon sometime. ROFL The only one confused here, is the Jaxass. We all know you screwed up in the earlier post, claiming the Andrea Gail's engine was gasoline (you did ....just read it) and that everything you've written since has been your usual lame attempt to cover-up another of your typical screw-ups. Blather on Jax .... your screw-up list continues to grow. BTW, I seem to remember an old CAT tractor whose engine started as a gasoline engine, and when warmed up, converted to diesel....could be wrong. Shen |
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Subject: The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
From: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" BTW, I seem to remember an old CAT tractor whose engine started as a gasoline engine, and when warmed up, converted to diesel....could be wrong. There are some old tractors that use a gasoline engine as a starter motor. You'd start the gasoline engine and then couple its output through a clutch to turn the diesel engine, getting it to start. I guess that was because they didn't carry enough electrical power to use an electric motor to turn the diesel, or maybe they did it that way because it's Just Cool. I've seen what you are mentioning above, but for some reason, I remember this as the main engine was started on and as a gasoline engine, then switched. It was an old Cat dozer, and as stated previously, I could be wrong. Shen |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
shen, you don't seem to understand the irony intended from the start (look up
the big words b/4 you respond yet again telling us that the boat really probably maybe did have a diesel engine) sorry but that I confused you, shen. too many big words I now realize. shen, I don't really believe that boat had a gas engine. really don't. never did. I just found it amusing the author didn't know diesel engines don't have spark plugs. I gather the you, shen, didn't know either unti Friday afternoon sometime. ROFL The only one confused here, is the Jaxass. We all know you screwed up in the earlier post, claiming the Andrea Gail's engine was gasoline (you did ....just read it) and that everything you've written since has been your usual lame attempt to cover-up another of your typical screw-ups. Blather on Jax .... your screw-up list continues to grow. BTW, I seem to remember an old CAT tractor whose engine started as a gasoline engine, and when warmed up, converted to diesel....could be wrong. Shen |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
there were also farm tractor engines that started on gasoline and then ran on
kerosene. Honda Racing kinda did something similar a while back, because the race rules limited the total gallonage of fuel available to a car. Kerosene has more btu's per gallon, so (as I understand it) gasoline/air fuel were sprayed in near the plug (because it would ignite well) and keresene/air fuel was sprayed elsewhere in the cylinder. I understand Honda dropped the idea eventually, but don't know why. BTW, I seem to remember an old CAT tractor whose engine started as a gasoline engine, and when warmed up, converted to diesel....could be wrong. There are some old tractors that use a gasoline engine as a starter motor. You'd start the gasoline engine and then couple its output through a clutch to turn the diesel engine, getting it to start. I guess that was because they didn't carry enough electrical power to use an electric motor to turn the diesel, or maybe they did it that way because it's Just Cool. |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
schlackoff, you are too stupid for words.
schlackoff, you are too stupid for words. Oh, good one! Is that your sense of irony coming through again? Steve schlackoff, diesel engines with spark plugs are called "multi-fuel" engines and are rare. Which proves you can't read. It didn't say "spark" plugs. schlackie, you were caught with a fish hook in your mouth. Joxitchbe, you were caught in yet another blunder. Add it to the list. Steve For sure it did, for the author specificly mentioned the crew of the ill-fated vessel was so anxious about the trip that they went to the boat the night before leaving to clean the plugs on the engine. One sentence, just one sentence, but it clearly shows the Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine. At least in the First Edition (for those out there who know what a First Edition is, the rest of you can go fry an egg). THAT's it? That's what you're basing your assertion that the Andrea Gail had a gas engine on? No mention of the type of engine? No mention of fuel? Jax, FYI, diesel engines can have plugs also. So it could have been a diesel engine and the author not even be wrong in his statement. If he had actually said it was a gas engine, he surely would have been wrong. Since you know so much about gas engines, what model gas engine do you think it had? Steve |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
there you have it, folks, schlackoff telling us that the diesel engines used by
commercial fishermen are so unreliable that those engine have "to be torn down" after every trip to sea. Yeah. schlackoff, NObody "cleans" fuel injectors on a diesel the night before leaving on an ocean trip, and NObody cleans the glow plugs either. btw, wanna tell us just how glow plugs are cleaned by the crew? also, why in hell do fishing boats "often do a teardown" (your words, see below) on a engine to do a major overhaul (as you as described, see below) "between such trips"? (your words, see below) Because they put so many hours on it at a time. Because they depend on their single engine to get them out and back over thousands of miles at a time. Because the engines we're talking about are made to be easily serviced with replacable wear items. Your mistake is assuming that he meant "spark" plugs when he said plugs I made no mistake at all. the author made the mistake, I just noticed it. you schlackoff, on the other hand, STILL are not sure that maybe the author was right and the crew cleaned the plugs the night before they left. The author may have made a mistake, and may not have made a mistake. You just can't read, that's all. You added "spark" in front of plugs when it wasn't there. So no matter what the author said, you were wrong and like always, just can't admit it. Steve |
The Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine
schlackoff, we are waiting for you to tell just what kind of "plugs" the
diesel engine on a commercial fishing boat has that might be cleaned by the nervous crew the night before departing. Shall we hold our collective breath for your help in filling this gap in our understanding? schlackoff, NObody "cleans" fuel injectors on a diesel the night before leaving on an ocean trip, and NObody cleans the glow plugs either. btw, wanna tell us just how glow plugs are cleaned by the crew? also, why in hell do fishing boats "often do a teardown" (your words, see below) on a engine to do a major overhaul (as you as described, see below) "between such trips"? (your words, see below) Because they put so many hours on it at a time. Because they depend on their single engine to get them out and back over thousands of miles at a time. Because the engines we're talking about are made to be easily serviced with replacable wear items. Your mistake is assuming that he meant "spark" plugs when he said plugs I made no mistake at all. the author made the mistake, I just noticed it. you schlackoff, on the other hand, STILL are not sure that maybe the author was right and the crew cleaned the plugs the night before they left. The author may have made a mistake, and may not have made a mistake. You just can't read, that's all. You added "spark" in front of plugs when it wasn't there. So no matter what the author said, you were wrong and like always, just can't admit it. Steve |
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