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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:24:22 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Grateful? The conspiracy theories keep me up at night searching the
internet. I'd get a lot more sleep if he'd put those uncertainties
to
rest by letting those guys speak.

It could be, potentially, embarrassing for all involved. It is illegal
for the Pentagon to spy on American citizens. Does data mining rise to
spying?

Why is it OK to publish the PDB's leading up to 9/11 in the
Commission
report, but not information that may have ID'd Atta 1 1/2 years
before
9/11? I hope that you now realize that the 9/11 Commission was a
complete
whitewash of what really happened in the decade leading up to 9/11.

I don't see it as a whitewash, at worst, only incomplete. You make a
big
deal of this Able Danger, but even if they did have Atta's name, it
doesn't make a conspiracy, it makes a typical, bumbling bureaucracy,
called government. History is full of these "what ifs". Look at Pearl
Harbor. If they had listened to the radar operator, if they had sent
the
dispatch urgently, if . . . Able Danger isn't a conspiracy, it's your
government in inaction.


Even if we had Atta's name in 2000, that was long before we decided it
was OK to attack, assassinate, declare war (or make war without
declaration), or otherwise remove entities that might, maybe, could be,
someday, somehow, possibly, threaten the security of the US. There was
a time in the US when people were punished for crimes committed, not
proactively punished for crimes that they just might maybe, could be,
commit in the future.

You guys keep missing the point.

It's not the crime (of failing to act on the Atta intel), it's the
coverup (of leaving the Able Danger info off the 9/11 Report and then
having Slade Gorton and Tom Kean state unequivocally that Able Danger
"just didn't happen".)



Welcome to the realization that there isn't some binary divide of
good/evil
or patriotism/treason between the political parties. They are two
marionettes in the same show, operated by the same crew of puppeteers.

Yes, but who are the puppeteers? You're suggesting that there's truth to
the New World Order conspiracists' notion that our government is run by
shadow groups like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs...and
PNAC. ;-)


Let's see....where was Atta from again? I honestly don't recall. Was it
Saudi Arabia?

Atta lived in several countries in the 1-2 years before 9/11...but Saudi
Arabia wasn't one of them.

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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:24:22 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Grateful? The conspiracy theories keep me up at night searching the
internet. I'd get a lot more sleep if he'd put those uncertainties
to
rest by letting those guys speak.

It could be, potentially, embarrassing for all involved. It is
illegal
for the Pentagon to spy on American citizens. Does data mining rise
to
spying?

Why is it OK to publish the PDB's leading up to 9/11 in the
Commission
report, but not information that may have ID'd Atta 1 1/2 years
before
9/11? I hope that you now realize that the 9/11 Commission was a
complete
whitewash of what really happened in the decade leading up to 9/11.

I don't see it as a whitewash, at worst, only incomplete. You make a
big
deal of this Able Danger, but even if they did have Atta's name, it
doesn't make a conspiracy, it makes a typical, bumbling bureaucracy,
called government. History is full of these "what ifs". Look at
Pearl
Harbor. If they had listened to the radar operator, if they had sent
the
dispatch urgently, if . . . Able Danger isn't a conspiracy, it's your
government in inaction.


Even if we had Atta's name in 2000, that was long before we decided it
was OK to attack, assassinate, declare war (or make war without
declaration), or otherwise remove entities that might, maybe, could be,
someday, somehow, possibly, threaten the security of the US. There was
a time in the US when people were punished for crimes committed, not
proactively punished for crimes that they just might maybe, could be,
commit in the future.

You guys keep missing the point.

It's not the crime (of failing to act on the Atta intel), it's the
coverup (of leaving the Able Danger info off the 9/11 Report and then
having Slade Gorton and Tom Kean state unequivocally that Able Danger
"just didn't happen".)



Welcome to the realization that there isn't some binary divide of
good/evil
or patriotism/treason between the political parties. They are two
marionettes in the same show, operated by the same crew of puppeteers.

Yes, but who are the puppeteers? You're suggesting that there's truth
to the New World Order conspiracists' notion that our government is run
by shadow groups like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs...and
PNAC. ;-)


Let's see....where was Atta from again? I honestly don't recall. Was it
Saudi Arabia?

Atta lived in several countries in the 1-2 years before 9/11...but Saudi
Arabia wasn't one of them.

His country of origin, slippery boy. I'm not from Sunoco, but I was just
there this morning.