"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Since that is not likely to happen, any investigations by Congress will no
doubt focus around whatever the Republicans want them to focus around. It
seems that Republican Congressman Curt Weldon is helping to ensure that
the
investigation will be about Able Danger, the "walls" created by Jamie
Gorelick, and any other evidence that was suppressed by the 9/11 Omission.

The 9/11 Commission was a joke and it is becoming more and more of a
joke as more is revealed about their "research". Incredible how
incompetent they are appearing - or perhaps I should say "cover up" is
more appropriate. Able Danger has the potential to be a block buster
type scandal.

When the normative histories of the period we are currently living in
are written, two names will appear as being overwrought and perhaps
down right stupid - Jamie Gorelick and Janet Reno.

We won't live long enough to see it happen, but it most certainly
will.

Speak for yourself. ;-)

I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman
Weldon does too.

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
The motivation of many of the folks who I know that moved here is that
Castro came in and took their homes, took their businesses, and put
their
family members in jail. ..."

And he still does


The Bacardi family lost it all (for instance). They seem to have done OK
anyway, but they're a major example for anyone who does not believe what
went on in Cuba years ago.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in
prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in
the
military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It
is,
however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of
the
people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa
Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had
some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a
Cuban
university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His
flight
was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the
sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales
pitches
to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the
Cuban
Government and the resorts

Jim



In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go
to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba
through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than
happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know,
bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of
new friends in Cuba.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

The fishing though is spectacular. :)

.....and you know this from reading Hemingway's accounts of marlin
adventures, right?

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman
Weldon does too.



You sure you want to see where this goes???

EARLY 2001 - WHITE HOUSE DEPARTS FROM EFFORTS TO TRACK TERRORIST
MONEY: The new Bush Treasury Department "disapproved of the Clinton
Administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an
important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden."
Specifically, the Bush Administration opposed Clinton
Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with
"loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers.
Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new
National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center." [Source: The Age of Sacred
Terror, 2003]

APRIL 30, 2001 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAYS BIN LADEN FOCUS WAS
"MISTAKE": The Bush Administration released the government's annual
report on terrorism, but unlike previous Administrations, it decided to
specifically omit an "extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind
Osama bin Laden. A senior State Department official told CNN the U.S.
government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden."
Similarly, AP reported in 2002 that the Bush Administration's "national
security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior
to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of
those sessions." [Source: CNN, 4/30/01; AP, 6/29/01]

The federal government was rapidly increasing its counter-terrorism
efforts at the time President Bush took office. As the New York Times
reported, Attorney General Janet Reno ended her tenure as "perhaps the
strongest advocate" of counterterrorism spending. Similarly, Newsweek
and the Washington Post reported National Security Adviser Sandy Berger
was "totally preoccupied" with the prospect of a domestic terror
attack, telling his replacement that they need to be "spending more
time on this issue" than on any other. The focus changed dramatically
when the Bush Administration took office.

ADMINISTRATION SHIFTED LAW ENFORCEMENT'S FOCUS OFF OF
COUNTER-TERRORISM: The New York Times reported that in the lead-up to
9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft "said fighting terrorism was a top
priority of his agency," yet upon entering office, "he identified more
than a dozen other objectives for greater emphasis within the Justice
Department before the attacks." On Aug. 9, the Administration
distributed a strategic plan to the Justice Department highlighting its
new goals from a list of Clinton Administration goals. The item that
referred to intelligence and investigation of terrorists was left
un-highlighted. [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02]

ASHCROFT OVERRULED EFFORTS FOCUSED ON COUNTER-TERROR: Newsweek reported
that "in the spring of 2001, the attorney general had an extraordinary
confrontation with the then FBI Director Louis Freeh at an annual
meeting of special agents." The two talked before appearing, and
Ashcroft laid out his priorities for Freeh: "basically violent crime
and drugs," recalls one participant. Freeh replied bluntly that those
were not his priorities, and began to talk about terror and
counterterrorism. "Ashcroft didn't want to hear about it," says a
former senior law-enforcement official." [Source: Newsweek, 5/27/02]

BUSH ADMINISTRATION TERMINATED PROGRAM THAT TRACKED AL QAEDA: "In the
months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly
classified program called 'Catcher's Mitt' to monitor Al Qaeda suspects
in the United States." [Source: Newsweek, 3/21/04]

SO LITTLE CONCERN FOR COUNTER-TERROR THAT A WHITE HOUSE TASK FORCE
NEVER MET: In January of 2001, the U.S. Government's bipartisan
Commission on National Security gave the White House a report that
warned of an attack on the homeland and urged the new Administration to
implement its specific "recommendations to prevent acts of domestic
terrorism. The Administration rejected the Commission's report,
"preferring to put aside the recommendations." Instead, the
Administration waited until May of 2001 to appoint Vice President
Cheney to head a task force "to combat terrorist attacks on the United
States." But according to the Washington Post, neither "Cheney's review
nor Bush's took place." Meanwhile, Newsweek reported that when senators
"sent a copy of draft legislation on counterterrorism and homeland
defense to Cheney's office on July 20," they were told by Cheney's top
aide "that it might be another six months before he would be able to
review the material." [Source: Salon, 9/12/04; White House release,
5/8/01; Washington Post, 1/20/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02]

WHITE HOUSE BEGAN EFFORT TO CUT COUNTER-TERRORISM PROGRAMS: The New
York Times reported that in its final 2003 budget request, the
Administration "called for spending increases in 68 programs, none of
which directly involved counterterrorism...In his Sept. 10 submission
to the budget office, Ashcroft did not endorse FBI requests for $58
million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence
analysts and 54 additional translators. Ashcroft proposed a $65 million
cut for a program that gives states and localities counterterrorism
grants for equipment, including radios and decontamination suits and
training." By comparison, "Under Janet Reno, the department's
counterterrorism budget increased 13.6% in the fiscal year 1999, 7.1%
in 2000 and 22.7% in 2001." [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02]

ADMINISTRATION LEFT "GAPS" IN MILITARY'S REQUEST FOR COUNTER-TERROR
FUNDS: The Washington Post reported that in its first budget, the White
House left "gaps" between "what military commanders said they needed to
combat terrorists and what they got." Newsweek noted that, among other
things, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld elected not to re-launch a
Predator drone that had been tracking bin Laden. When the Senate Armed
Services Committee tried to fill those gaps, "Rumsfeld said he would
recommend a veto" on September 9. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02;
Newsweek, 5/27/02; NY Times, 2/28/02]

ADMINISTRATION STOPPED PREDATOR FLIGHTS TRACKING AL QAEDA IN
AFGHANISTAN: AP reported "though Predator drones spotted Osama bin
Laden as many as three times in late 2000, the Bush administration did
not fly the unmanned planes over Afghanistan during its first eight
months." Additionally, "the military successfully tested an armed
Predator throughout the first half of 2001" but the White House "failed
to resolve a debate over whether the CIA or Pentagon should operate the
armed Predators" and the armed Predator never got off the ground before
9/11. [Source: AP, 6/25/03]

WHILE CUTTING COUNTER-TERROR, THE WHITE HOUSE SENT FUNDING TO THE
TALIBAN: At the same time the White House was trying to cut
counter-terrorism funding, it gave "$43 million in drought aid to
Afghanistan after the Taliban began a campaign against poppy growers."
As the 5/29/01 edition of Newsday noted, the Taliban rulers of
Afghanistan "are a decidedly odd choice for an outright gift of $43
million from the Bush Administration. This is the same government
against which the United Nation imposes sanctions, at the behest of the
United States, for refusing to turn over the terrorist mastermind Osama
bin Laden." [Washington Post, 9/23/01; Newsday, 5/29/01]

MAY 2002 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION MOVES TO PREVENT INDEPENDENT INQUIRY
OF 9/11: Months after 9/11, Vice President Cheney went on Fox News to
announce the Administration's full opposition to an independent 9/11
commission. As CBS News noted, the White House "opposed a commission"
from the start, claiming "it would tie up officials waging the war on
terror - and endanger U.S. secrets." [Source: Fox News, 5/19/02; CBS,
9/20/02]

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman
Weldon does too.



You sure you want to see where this goes???

Sure. Let the chips fall where they may. Like I said, I'm not so
interested in seeing who to pin the 9/11 blame on. That's history, and
hopefully we'll learn from it. I'm more interested in seeing who has
committed crimes by trying to cover it up...and why.

"It's not the crime. It's the coverup"

NOYB wrote:


Thank you, JimH for properly placing the OT in front of the thread.

Of course, you noticed that *I* didn't start this thread, right?


Might be better to just do your penance, than risk the Rev's wrath.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go
to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba
through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than
happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know,
bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of
new friends in Cuba.

Doug, I go to Cuba for my winter vacations and I have been doing this for
years. The boating there is spectacular! The fishing is out of this
world! My government has no problem with my travels to Cuba. The Cubans
welcome me every trip there. It is the government of the USA that does not
permit me to take my boat there if I leave from a US port. My boat is a
Canadian Registered Vessel. I am a Canadian Citizen. This year I will
leave from Grand Cayman on my annual vacation.
It's too bad that your government is so backwards in it's foreign policy.
You would love a trip to Cuba.
( Boating Content )

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can
go
to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba
through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than
happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know,
bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of
new friends in Cuba.

Doug, I go to Cuba for my winter vacations and I have been doing this for
years. The boating there is spectacular! The fishing is out of this
world! My government has no problem with my travels to Cuba. The Cubans
welcome me every trip there. It is the government of the USA that does
not
permit me to take my boat there if I leave from a US port. My boat is a
Canadian Registered Vessel. I am a Canadian Citizen. This year I will
leave from Grand Cayman on my annual vacation.
It's too bad that your government is so backwards in it's foreign policy.
You would love a trip to Cuba.
( Boating Content )



I'd go just for the la musica Cubana!

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:34:54 -0400, "Starbucks"
wrote:

Harry,
You do seem to focus on homosexual fantasies, is there a reason for that?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
PocoLoco wrote:
You should try hard to keep Harry over there, wherever that is!


On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:52:25 -0500, Hoodoo wrote:

From: Harry Krause
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400
Message-ID:

Harry Krause wrote:

Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with
reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet.
And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy,
john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass...
although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up.

Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's
identical twin brother:

--------------------------

With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan
Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story...
AGAIN.

ROLF!!
Who's ROLF?

Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up.
That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have
a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!!

Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a
different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two
posting hosts:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of
aliases he has been known to use.

So, who's the TROLL, gilwad?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: PirateJohn
Newsgroups:
alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett
Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak!
Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700
Message-ID: . com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189


From: Billy's Daddy
Newsgroups:
alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson
Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale
Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189

From: "Jose"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ...
Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189

From: "Smelly Billy"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ...
Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700
Message-ID: . com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189


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From: "PirateJohn"
Newsgroups: alt.obituaries
Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush
Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

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From: "Juan"
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett
Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession
Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive.

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From: "Billy's Daddy"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett
Subject: Report Abuse
Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

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From: "Guy Good"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ...
Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

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Known and verified aliases:











OSPAM


Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo

"Bill Cmelak"
"Smelly Billy"
















Yup...newsgroup slime sticks together. You and Hoodoo are the pair,
Herring, and if Smithers joins in, you can have quite the menage.


Harry seems to entice a strange crew over here from his frank zappa group. Then
he complains about their posts. Perhaps if he stopped some of his cross-posting
crap that wouldn't happen.

Whoever 'hoodoo' is, he seems to have Harry pegged.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD