"DSK" wrote in message
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What "value" is being negated?

The value as wildlife refuge & habitat.


Scooby Doo wrote:
The other NINETY-TWO PERCENT REMAINS UNTOUCHED.

And if the construction cuts migration routes, then the whole rest of it
might as well not be there.



And even if it doesn't, it appears the loonylefty mantra has changed from
"People, not profits" to "Caribou, not people".


That's right, if you can't make logic and facts work for you, call the
other guy names.

Frankly, I don't care much about caribou. As you said, there are a lot of
them and they're all over the place. There are much more rare & valuable
species up there ("valuable" in the sense of filling critical ecological
niches, not something that contributes to Halliburton's EPS).


... Before you answer, ponder the fact that the caribou population has
TRIPLED since the opening of the Alaska Pipeline.

Meaning what? There are more buffalo now, too... does that mean the open
prairie is better than ever?


According to the buffalo, whose wellbeing you apparently value more than
humans', it appears to be so.

So, you really think that the population penned buffalo on feed lots is a
measure of environmental success?




There's also more forestland in the US than there was in 1900.

Malarkey. I guess back in 1900 they were paving thousands of acres per day
for shopping mall parking lots & roads.



... No doubt you were one of the Chicken Littles warning about
'negating value" before that project, n'est-ce pas?

No doubt I'm one of the people what understand what "wildlife refuge"
means, and a have a slight grasp of ecology, nyet tovarisch?


"Wildlife refuge" means that a Democrat at the Department of the Interior
designated the land as such.

Really? Was Teddy Roosevelt a Democrat?



Some "independence from Middle East Sources" huh?


Better than without it.

Yes, a little bit. But is the benefit to the whole nation worth the loss?
I think not. Those who are reaping tremendous profits have a different way
of balancing it... and they've persuaded amny people they're "right."


But since your definition of "compromise" is rejecting a deal that gives
you over 92% of what you want, it's obvious you don't have a rational
cell in your brain.

More name calling. I've tried to patiently explain why this is absolutely
in no way "92% of what the opposition wants" but you can't seem to grasp
it. Let me try one more time... if somebody chopped thru the walls of your
house, and put a wall thru the middle of it, cutting off access to at
least several rooms, and that wall had exposed high voltage wires along
with very noisy machinery & piped that emitted stinky poisons, would you
be getting 92% of what *you* want because the wall only takes up 8% of
your floor space?

Think.
It's painful but the results are worth it.

DSK


The wildlife loves the Alaska Pipeline. Get near it when it is cold. And
seems as if the caribou have increased.

"Bill McKee" wrote:

The wildlife loves the Alaska Pipeline. Get near it when it is cold. And
seems as if the caribou have increased.

Where to you hear fantasies like that?

The Porcupine Caribou Herd has decreased.

The Pipeline is insulated, no animals "Get near it when it is cold".

The Pipeline slit the calving of the Central Arctic Caribou Herd
in half with a detrimental effect for those on one side.

Nelleman, C., and R.D. Cameron. 1996. Terrain preferences
of calving caribou exposed to petroleum development.
Arctic 49:23-28.

Nellemann, C., and R.D. Cameron. 1998. Cumulative impacts
of an evolving oilfield complex on calving caribou. Can.
J. Zool. 76:1425-1430.

This might well be "rocket science", but it isn't unknown.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote:
The wildlife loves the Alaska Pipeline. Get near it when it is cold. And
seems as if the caribou have increased.

Where to you hear fantasies like that?

The Porcupine Caribou Herd has decreased.

The Pipeline is insulated, no animals "Get near it when it is cold".

The Pipeline slit the calving of the Central Arctic Caribou Herd
in half with a detrimental effect for those on one side.

Nelleman, C., and R.D. Cameron. 1996. Terrain preferences
of calving caribou exposed to petroleum development.
Arctic 49:23-28.

Nellemann, C., and R.D. Cameron. 1998. Cumulative impacts
of an evolving oilfield complex on calving caribou. Can.
J. Zool. 76:1425-1430.

This might well be "rocket science", but it isn't unknown.



You're wasting your time. This newsgroup is full of right-wing
primitives who:

* oppose any reports, news, or science that interferes with the ability
of corporate America to make a killing,

* typically support whatever the idiot now occupying the White House
believes,

* think the Exxon Valdez catastrophe was a minor spill, and

* typically think "creationism" is as valid as Darwin's theories, and
can be "proven" "scientifically."


I'm not kidding.

"Harry.Krause" wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote:
The wildlife loves the Alaska Pipeline. Get near it when it is cold. And
seems as if the caribou have increased.
Where to you hear fantasies like that?
The Porcupine Caribou Herd has decreased.
The Pipeline is insulated, no animals "Get near it when it is
cold".
The Pipeline slit the calving of the Central Arctic Caribou
Herd
in half with a detrimental effect for those on one side.
Nelleman, C., and R.D. Cameron. 1996. Terrain preferences
of calving caribou exposed to petroleum development.
Arctic 49:23-28.
Nellemann, C., and R.D. Cameron. 1998. Cumulative impacts
of an evolving oilfield complex on calving caribou. Can.
J. Zool. 76:1425-1430.
This might well be "rocket science", but it isn't unknown.


You're wasting your time. This newsgroup is full of right-wing
primitives who:

* oppose any reports, news, or science that interferes with the
* ability of corporate America to make a killing,

* typically support whatever the idiot now occupying the White
* House believes,

* think the Exxon Valdez catastrophe was a minor spill, and

* typically think "creationism" is as valid as Darwin's
* theories, and can be "proven" "scientifically."

I'm not kidding.

I think you are right. I was just sort of trolling for a sucker
among them. It's fun to slap a few facts on 'em, just to see
if the squirm in a new way.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)