Not sure how your Funk & Wagnels defines insurgents...but I went to Google
and entered "insurgents" + "iraq" in the search engine. Google says there
are over 2 million hits.


NOYB wrote:
That's because the news media continues to propagate a lie about who these
terrorists really are.

You mean, the "lie" that actually happens to be how it is in the real world?

Funny, you seem to have avoided any references about how many foreign
fighters are in the Iraq insurgency. Why do you keep running away from
factual references, and keep returning to propagandizing?


... If they called them "foreign terrorists", it would
be admitting that Bush is absolutely correct when he says that Iraq is the
frontline on "the global struggle against violent extremism" (fka "the war
on terror").


OTOH if the Bush-Cheney cheerleaders admit the facts that the Iraq
insurgency is not on it's last legs, and that only a very small minority
of foreigners have entered Iraq to fight America, then they would also
have to admit the Bush-Cheney Administration's failure to actually fight
terrorism and the long string of lies leading us into war in Iraq.

So, keep spinning & dodging, NOBBY! Maybe you'll be rewarded with a nice
cushy appointment, or maybe you'll have to wait for your reward in Heaven.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Not sure how your Funk & Wagnels defines insurgents...but I went to
Google and entered "insurgents" + "iraq" in the search engine. Google
says there are over 2 million hits.


NOYB wrote:
That's because the news media continues to propagate a lie about who
these terrorists really are.

You mean, the "lie" that actually happens to be how it is in the real
world?

Funny, you seem to have avoided any references about how many foreign
fighters are in the Iraq insurgency.

There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign fighters. You
ask how many? Who knows. There is no way to count the number of
terrorists that flood across the porous borders from Saudi Arabia, Syria,
Iran, and Jordan.


Why do you keep running away from
factual references, and keep returning to propagandizing?


... If they called them "foreign terrorists", it would be admitting that
Bush is absolutely correct when he says that Iraq is the frontline on
"the global struggle against violent extremism" (fka "the war on
terror").


OTOH if the Bush-Cheney cheerleaders admit the facts that the Iraq
insurgency is not on it's last legs, and that only a very small minority
of foreigners have entered Iraq to fight America,

Admit a falsehood? Why? So you'd feel better?

NOBBY wrote:
There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign fighters.

Really? 5% to 10% is "almost all?"

... You
ask how many? Who knows. There is no way to count the number of
terrorists that flood across the porous borders from Saudi Arabia, Syria,
Iran, and Jordan.


So how are you sure there are so many? By your own statements, it might
be a trickle rather than a flood.

So, I tend to rely on the professionals (the Army, the CIA, the DIA, the
State Dept) who say five to ten percent, rather than the political
spinmeisters who say "a flood."


... If they called them "foreign terrorists", it would be admitting that
Bush is absolutely correct when he says that Iraq is the frontline on
"the global struggle against violent extremism" (fka "the war on
terror").


OTOH if the Bush-Cheney cheerleaders admit the facts that the Iraq
insurgency is not on it's last legs, and that only a very small minority
of foreigners have entered Iraq to fight America,


Admit a falsehood?

Yep, a "falsehood" that corresponds more closely to actual facts in the
real world.

... Why? So you'd feel better?


No, so that you would be "honest" which is what we call people who tend
to tell the truth instead of lying all the time. Maybe you'd feel better.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
NOBBY wrote:
There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign fighters.

Really? 5% to 10% is "almost all?"

Those are bull**** numbers. Nobody (including Thunder) has posted a
reliable source for those numbers...yet you continue to cite them as gospel.


... You ask how many? Who knows. There is no way to count the number
of terrorists that flood across the porous borders from Saudi Arabia,
Syria, Iran, and Jordan.


So how are you sure there are so many? By your own statements, it might be
a trickle rather than a flood.



So, I tend to rely on the professionals (the Army, the CIA, the DIA, the
State Dept) who say five to ten percent, rather than the political
spinmeisters who say "a flood."

You're not quoting one single "named" source who states that the number is
5-10%. I've quoted several "named" sources who say that it's much, much
higher.


... If they called them "foreign terrorists", it would be admitting
that Bush is absolutely correct when he says that Iraq is the frontline
on "the global struggle against violent extremism" (fka "the war on
terror").


OTOH if the Bush-Cheney cheerleaders admit the facts that the Iraq
insurgency is not on it's last legs, and that only a very small minority
of foreigners have entered Iraq to fight America,


Admit a falsehood?

Yep, a "falsehood" that corresponds more closely to actual facts in the
real world.


In your world...not the real world.

... Why? So you'd feel better?

No, so that you would be "honest" which is what we call people who tend to
tell the truth instead of lying all the time. Maybe you'd feel better.

You accuse him of lying, and yet can't produce a single on-the-record source
that proves your case.

There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign fighters.

Really? 5% to 10% is "almost all?"


NOYB wrote:
Those are bull**** numbers.

No, they're the most accurate & reliable figures available.

... Nobody (including Thunder) has posted a
reliable source for those numbers...yet you continue to cite them as gospel.

Wrong again. Reliable source *have* been quoted. Several times, actually.

You're losing it, NOBBY. Even a five-year-old gets tired of saying "yes
it is, no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't." Or are you trying out a new
Monty Python skit?


You're not quoting one single "named" source who states that the number is
5-10%. I've quoted several "named" sources who say that it's much, much
higher.


Like who? Vice President Cheney? Totally unbiased, right?

Official Bush/Cheney Policy: When confronted with hard fact, lie. If
confronted with more facts, lie harder.

isn't it time for you to run away from this thread, NOBBY?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign fighters.

Really? 5% to 10% is "almost all?"


NOYB wrote:
Those are bull**** numbers.

No, they're the most accurate & reliable figures available.

... Nobody (including Thunder) has posted a reliable source for those
numbers...yet you continue to cite them as gospel.

Wrong again. Reliable source *have* been quoted. Several times, actually.

You're losing it, NOBBY. Even a five-year-old gets tired of saying "yes it
is, no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't." Or are you trying out a new
Monty Python skit?


You're not quoting one single "named" source who states that the number
is 5-10%. I've quoted several "named" sources who say that it's much,
much higher.


Like who? Vice President Cheney? Totally unbiased, right?

Official Bush/Cheney Policy: When confronted with hard fact, lie. If
confronted with more facts, lie harder.

Cheney said it. PM al-Jaafari said it. The Associated Press said it:

"Most of Iraq's suicide bombers are foreign-born, with the highest
proportion coming from Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf states, according
to an analysis by the Associated Press. "

But rick saw "some General" on "Faux News", and you heard "some government
official" on NPR say that it was mostly Iraqis doing the bombings...and
you've chosen to go with those mysterious un-named sources whose names you
can't remember.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign
fighters.

Really? 5% to 10% is "almost all?"


NOYB wrote:
Those are bull**** numbers.

No, they're the most accurate & reliable figures available.

... Nobody (including Thunder) has posted a reliable source for those
numbers...yet you continue to cite them as gospel.

Wrong again. Reliable source *have* been quoted. Several times,
actually.

You're losing it, NOBBY. Even a five-year-old gets tired of saying "yes
it
is, no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't." Or are you trying out a new
Monty Python skit?


You're not quoting one single "named" source who states that the number
is 5-10%. I've quoted several "named" sources who say that it's much,
much higher.


Like who? Vice President Cheney? Totally unbiased, right?

Official Bush/Cheney Policy: When confronted with hard fact, lie. If
confronted with more facts, lie harder.

Cheney said it. PM al-Jaafari said it. The Associated Press said it:

"Most of Iraq's suicide bombers are foreign-born, with the highest
proportion coming from Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf states,
according
to an analysis by the Associated Press. "

But rick saw "some General" on "Faux News", and you heard "some government
official" on NPR say that it was mostly Iraqis doing the bombings...and
you've chosen to go with those mysterious un-named sources whose names you
can't remember.

This is some great wrting about the ongoing in Iraq

http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/07/empty-jars.html

Like who? Vice President Cheney? Totally unbiased, right?

Official Bush/Cheney Policy: When confronted with hard fact, lie. If
confronted with more facts, lie harder.


NOBBY wrote:
Cheney said it.

Very highly biased, as well as being a prodigious liar. Remember, this
is the guy who said "I've never once used my political connections for
profit."


... PM al-Jaafari said it.

Another politician with an axe to grind, as well as with a vested
interest in currying favor with the Bush/Cheney gang.

... The Associated Press said it:

"Most of Iraq's suicide bombers are foreign-born..."

ah, so... you don't know the difference between SUICIDE BOMBERS and
insurgents. Big difference. Most of the attacks that are killing &
maiming our military personnel are NOT suicide attacks.

By their very nature, suicide bombers are a very tiny fraction of the
world wide terrorist network & of the Iraq insurgency.




But rick saw "some General" on "Faux News", and you heard "some government
official" on NPR say that it was mostly Iraqis doing the bombings...

Wrong. "Some Pentagon sources" which are of course highly protected and
some named intel officials, and the U.S. State Dept (*when* the heck is
Condi going to purge those disloyal *******s??) and of course, Fox News
itself.



....and
you've chosen to go with those mysterious un-named sources whose names you
can't remember.


Seems to me like I've remembered quite a lot. You're the one who is
misquoting, taking quotes out of context, quoting the equivalent of
Pepsi advertising as if it were Gospel, and of course outright lying.

Between refusing to distinguish between suicide bombers and the "on it's
last legs" insurgency, as well as refusing to acknowledge others
sources, as well as refusing to quote any of your own *reliable* (ie non
propaganda) sources, you've pretty much admitted that it's all fantasy.

You've done a very good job discrediting the running-dog fascist
lackeys, comrade NOBBY. Maybe as a reward, you'll get a little red star.

DSK

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:38:19 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Those are bull**** numbers. Nobody (including Thunder) has posted a
reliable source for those numbers...yet you continue to cite them as
gospel.


Well, one reliable source is Gen. Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. He has the "foreign fighter" elements at 1,000 (2/4/05). While
the "true" government figures as to the size of the insurgency may be
classified, no where have I read it being under 10,000. Most estimates
have it at 20,000 and up.

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/englis...ent_415170.htm

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:47:44 +0000, NOYB wrote:


There is no domestic insurgency. They are almost all foreign fighters.
You ask how many? Who knows. There is no way to count the number of
terrorists that flood across the porous borders from Saudi Arabia, Syria,
Iran, and Jordan.

Do you just make this up as you go along? Every estimate I have read, has
the "foreign fighters" as less than 10% of the insurgency. As recently
as several months ago (2/4/5), Gen. Myers, the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, put the number of "foreign fighters" at 1,000. My guess,
is his estimate is quite a bit more accurate than yours. Oh, and you had
better tell him there is no "insurgency", as that is the term he used.

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/englis...ent_415170.htm