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[email protected] July 20th 05 07:14 PM

OT Why academics are liberals
 
Why are academics so liberal?


Recent surveys suggesting academics are disproportionately liberal have
caused some to conclude that universities discriminate against those
holding conservative ideas. They further suggest that people be
dismissive of anything emanating from "out of touch academics"
because it does not reflect mainstream thought. Why are so many
talented and highly educated people, chemists, artists, mathematicians,
archeologists, psychologists, physicists, geologists, economists,
biologists, and so on, liberals? What is it about getting an advanced
degree and dedicating one's life to the study of important scientific
and social problems that causes liberal views to emerge? My department
hires the best possible teachers and researchers. Politics plays no
role whatsoever in our Ph.D. admission or hiring decisions. The vast
majority of us are professionals who would never let personal politics
interfere with our academic conclusions. These conclusions often align
with liberal ideas regarding scientific and social policy issues, and
we promote such ideas vigorously because our goal is to make things
better for all of us. We care deeply about this community, this state,
about this nation and its role in the world. We pursue our academic
interests with passion and intellectual integrity. We have families,
safety concerns, we care about the values our children acquire. We live
in the real world. Please don't be misled into dismissing us
summarily as out of touch liberal professors whenever our academic
conclusions challenge your beliefs. Listen to all viewpoints with an
open mind and a critical ear, and then make up your own mind.


[email protected] July 20th 05 07:57 PM



wrote:
Why are academics so liberal?


Recent surveys suggesting academics are disproportionately liberal have
caused some to conclude that universities discriminate against those
holding conservative ideas. They further suggest that people be
dismissive of anything emanating from "out of touch academics"
because it does not reflect mainstream thought. Why are so many
talented and highly educated people, chemists, artists, mathematicians,
archeologists, psychologists, physicists, geologists, economists,
biologists, and so on, liberals? What is it about getting an advanced
degree and dedicating one's life to the study of important scientific
and social problems that causes liberal views to emerge? My department
hires the best possible teachers and researchers. Politics plays no
role whatsoever in our Ph.D. admission or hiring decisions. The vast
majority of us are professionals who would never let personal politics
interfere with our academic conclusions. These conclusions often align
with liberal ideas regarding scientific and social policy issues, and
we promote such ideas vigorously because our goal is to make things
better for all of us. We care deeply about this community, this state,
about this nation and its role in the world. We pursue our academic
interests with passion and intellectual integrity. We have families,
safety concerns, we care about the values our children acquire. We live
in the real world. Please don't be misled into dismissing us
summarily as out of touch liberal professors whenever our academic
conclusions challenge your beliefs. Listen to all viewpoints with an
open mind and a critical ear, and then make up your own mind.


Source?


[email protected] July 20th 05 08:07 PM



wrote:
wrote:
Why are academics so liberal?


Recent surveys suggesting academics are disproportionately liberal have
caused some to conclude that universities discriminate against those
holding conservative ideas. They further suggest that people be
dismissive of anything emanating from "out of touch academics"
because it does not reflect mainstream thought. Why are so many
talented and highly educated people, chemists, artists, mathematicians,
archeologists, psychologists, physicists, geologists, economists,
biologists, and so on, liberals? What is it about getting an advanced
degree and dedicating one's life to the study of important scientific
and social problems that causes liberal views to emerge? My department
hires the best possible teachers and researchers. Politics plays no
role whatsoever in our Ph.D. admission or hiring decisions. The vast
majority of us are professionals who would never let personal politics
interfere with our academic conclusions. These conclusions often align
with liberal ideas regarding scientific and social policy issues, and
we promote such ideas vigorously because our goal is to make things
better for all of us. We care deeply about this community, this state,
about this nation and its role in the world. We pursue our academic
interests with passion and intellectual integrity. We have families,
safety concerns, we care about the values our children acquire. We live
in the real world. Please don't be misled into dismissing us
summarily as out of touch liberal professors whenever our academic
conclusions challenge your beliefs. Listen to all viewpoints with an
open mind and a critical ear, and then make up your own mind.


Source?


MARK THOMA

Eugene

[Letter to the editor of the Register Guard on 12/7/2004]


Dan J.S. July 20th 05 08:14 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
Why are academics so liberal?


Recent surveys suggesting academics are disproportionately liberal have
caused some to conclude that universities discriminate against those
holding conservative ideas. They further suggest that people be
dismissive of anything emanating from "out of touch academics"
because it does not reflect mainstream thought. Why are so many
talented and highly educated people, chemists, artists, mathematicians,
archeologists, psychologists, physicists, geologists, economists,
biologists, and so on, liberals? What is it about getting an advanced
degree and dedicating one's life to the study of important scientific
and social problems that causes liberal views to emerge? My department
hires the best possible teachers and researchers. Politics plays no
role whatsoever in our Ph.D. admission or hiring decisions. The vast
majority of us are professionals who would never let personal politics
interfere with our academic conclusions. These conclusions often align
with liberal ideas regarding scientific and social policy issues, and
we promote such ideas vigorously because our goal is to make things
better for all of us. We care deeply about this community, this state,
about this nation and its role in the world. We pursue our academic
interests with passion and intellectual integrity. We have families,
safety concerns, we care about the values our children acquire. We live
in the real world. Please don't be misled into dismissing us
summarily as out of touch liberal professors whenever our academic
conclusions challenge your beliefs. Listen to all viewpoints with an
open mind and a critical ear, and then make up your own mind.


Professors are people afraid to face the real world. They like to be
surrounded by job stability and cushy jobs.



P. Fritz July 20th 05 08:24 PM


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Why are academics so liberal?


Recent surveys suggesting academics are disproportionately liberal have
caused some to conclude that universities discriminate against those
holding conservative ideas. They further suggest that people be
dismissive of anything emanating from "out of touch academics"
because it does not reflect mainstream thought. Why are so many
talented and highly educated people, chemists, artists, mathematicians,
archeologists, psychologists, physicists, geologists, economists,
biologists, and so on, liberals? What is it about getting an advanced
degree and dedicating one's life to the study of important scientific
and social problems that causes liberal views to emerge? My department
hires the best possible teachers and researchers. Politics plays no
role whatsoever in our Ph.D. admission or hiring decisions. The vast
majority of us are professionals who would never let personal politics
interfere with our academic conclusions. These conclusions often align
with liberal ideas regarding scientific and social policy issues, and
we promote such ideas vigorously because our goal is to make things
better for all of us. We care deeply about this community, this state,
about this nation and its role in the world. We pursue our academic
interests with passion and intellectual integrity. We have families,
safety concerns, we care about the values our children acquire. We live
in the real world. Please don't be misled into dismissing us
summarily as out of touch liberal professors whenever our academic
conclusions challenge your beliefs. Listen to all viewpoints with an
open mind and a critical ear, and then make up your own mind.


Professors are people afraid to face the real world. They like to be
surrounded by job stability and cushy jobs.


The moron that wrote the original piece places the cart before the
horse.......it is not "getting an advanced
degree and dedicating one's life to the study of important scientific and
social problems that causes liberal views to emerge" rather it is the
liebral views that cause one to hide in academia where there failed ideas
are accepted, unlike the real world where they would be doomed to failure.

"Politics plays no role whatsoever in our Ph.D. admission or hiring
decisions" but it has everything to do with granting tenure.

"We pursue our academic interests with passion and intellectual integrity"
.......and expect somebody else to pay for it. and it fits their political
agenda

"We live in the real world" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA







*JimH* July 20th 05 08:35 PM

I will post this as Chuck won't:

Now see there? All the guys who are convinced you aren't even the
tiniest bit interested in boating have to be at least partially wrong.
You are becoming an expert troller. Do you have any original thoughts
you'd care to share, or have you been instructed to repost the
propaganda?



*JimH* July 20th 05 08:39 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
Why are academics so liberal?



I will post this as Chuck won't:

Now see there? All the guys who are convinced you aren't even the
tiniest bit interested in boating have to be at least partially wrong.
You are becoming an expert troller. Do you have any original thoughts
you'd care to share, or have you been instructed to repost the
propaganda?



Animal July 20th 05 09:00 PM


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...
I will post this as Chuck won't:

Now see there? All the guys who are convinced you aren't even the
tiniest bit interested in boating have to be at least partially wrong.
You are becoming an expert troller. Do you have any original thoughts
you'd care to share, or have you been instructed to repost the
propaganda?


And chuckie called my post propaganda? what a hypocrite







Doug Kanter July 20th 05 10:13 PM

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...


Professors are people afraid to face the real world. They like to be
surrounded by job stability and cushy jobs.


OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor to tell you he was taught
by a professors in college, or that he just sorta picked up the skill while
watching his dad clean fish?



Doug Kanter July 21st 05 12:06 AM


"ObiWan Kenobi" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...


Professors are people afraid to face the real world. They like to be
surrounded by job stability and cushy jobs.


OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor to tell you he was
taught by a professors in college, or that he just sorta picked up the
skill while watching his dad clean fish?


OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor whose education
consisted only of reading and lectures, or the doctor who interned in a
hospital with real live (and real life) patients?


True, but the genius I responded to negated the value of half the people YOU
just mentioned as being part of a good education. He's also assuming that
all professors are simply regurgitating what was taught to them earlier.
True for some, but certainly not all. If the genius thinks otherwise, then
he either never attended college, or attended a lousy one, or was involved
in nothing but sports.



Doug Kanter July 21st 05 01:55 AM

The weather cooled down a bit today, Harry. All the slugs are coming out
from under the rotting vegetation. They're here. :-)



bb July 21st 05 01:58 AM

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:46:38 -0400, Argyle argyle@nospam wrote:

I am a conservative as are all of the working
engineers and other employees all the way down to my secretary.


Or they're smart enough to keep their politics to themselves on the
job. My observation has been it's the hard core right wingers who
don't have sense enough to keep their politics where they don't
belong. I quite often have clients who come in spewing extreme right
wing crap and assume everyone around them agrees with them because no
one speaks up. I just got a good blast of it today. I almost never
have anyone come in blasting lefty stuff, or even anti-Bush stuff.
There may be the occasional comment that lets me know about where they
stand, but nothing like the neo-con believers spout. I keep my
opinions to myself, do my business, and vote.

bb



Doug Kanter July 21st 05 02:12 AM


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:46:38 -0400, Argyle argyle@nospam wrote:


I am a conservative as are all of the working
engineers and other employees all the way down to my secretary.



Or they're smart enough to keep their politics to themselves on the
job. My observation has been it's the hard core right wingers who
don't have sense enough to keep their politics where they don't
belong. I quite often have clients who come in spewing extreme right
wing crap and assume everyone around them agrees with them because no
one speaks up. I just got a good blast of it today. I almost never
have anyone come in blasting lefty stuff, or even anti-Bush stuff.
There may be the occasional comment that lets me know about where they
stand, but nothing like the neo-con believers spout. I keep my
opinions to myself, do my business, and vote.

bb



I wouldn't hire a right-winger or knowingly keep one on the payroll.


What about a conservative with a brain, like William Buckley? :-)



*JimH* July 21st 05 02:33 AM



On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:58:08 GMT, bb wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:46:38 -0400, Argyle argyle@nospam wrote:

I am a conservative as are all of the working
engineers and other employees all the way down to my secretary.




My observation has been it's the hard core right wingers who
don't have sense enough to keep their politics where they don't
belong.


Sort of like you who constantly spews his political beliefs in a boating
newsgroup?

Pretty funny stuff bb. LOL!



Tim July 21st 05 03:02 AM

I wouldn't hire a right-winger or knowingly keep one on the payroll.
..."

harry, wouldn't that be discrimination?

and thats what your party supposedly fights to protects citizens
against..


Real Name July 21st 05 03:17 AM

Harry,
Does your work force consist of 3 people, me, myself and I?


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Tim wrote:
I wouldn't hire a right-winger or knowingly keep one on the payroll.
.."

harry, wouldn't that be discrimination?

and thats what your party supposedly fights to protects citizens
against..


I don't discriminate on the basis of gender, age, skin color, religion, or
country of origin. I don't recall any law that requires me to hire
right-wing retardos. Doubt one would want to work for me, because about
half our billings are political.

--
Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.




*JimH* July 21st 05 03:38 AM


"Argyle" argyle@nospam wrote in message
...
On 20 Jul 2005 19:02:05 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

I wouldn't hire a right-winger or knowingly keep one on the payroll.
.."

harry, wouldn't that be discrimination?

and thats what your party supposedly fights to protects citizens
against..


I would hire you if you had the qualifications. I don't believe in
discrimination of any kind, politics, race, or creed.


Regards,
Argyle


I guess one of Krause's questions on the app is "What political party do you
belong to?"

He admitted to the same in a previous post when he admitted, and I quote :
-----------------------------
"I don't discriminate on the basis of gender, age, skin color, religion, or
country of origin. I don't recall any law that requires me to hire
right-wing retardos."
--------------------------------------
Perhaps it is time for the Department of Justice to pay Harry Krause a
visit. I will forward them a copy of this post.



Tim July 21st 05 04:06 AM

I don't recall any law that requires me to hire
right-wing retardos..."

Hiring is one thing...firing is another.

Fire a "right-wing retardo" and like anybody else in this day and age,
the dept. of labor is involved. discrimination suits are posted, and
out of court settlements are usually made.

Even if you/you're company are cleared and the firing is justified. you
still get to sit in a hearing room and waste time and resourses.


bb July 21st 05 04:27 AM

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:27:56 -0400, Argyle argyle@nospam wrote:

Quite to the contrary, nobody knows I am a conservative. I don't talk about
politics at the office. I listen though.


Highly doubtful considering your actions here, but possible.

When I go to my draftsmen cubes,
they have Rush on their radios.


Rush? You consider Rush anything but an entertainer? Now you've lost
any credibility you might have had.

On a few rare
occasions politics comes up. Never a disagreement.


Yeah, it would be brilliant to disagree with the boss who obviously is
an extreme right wing conservative. Give your employees credit, they
have more sense than the boss when it comes to keeping politics to
themselves in the work place.

I've sold many a product to a right wing spewing idiots such as
yourself. I have sense enough to keep my politics out of the work
place.

They work hard for a
living.


So do I, and obviously we are 180 apart in politics. You want to
assume because I have a different political opinion than yours, I
don't work hard for a living. Enjoy your fantasy.

Their biggest joke when they talk politics is Hillary Clinton.


Rush and Hillary bashing, sounds like a brilliant, objective, bunch
you've gathered around you. Enjoy your little world.

My secretary is a pro lifer. She has been with me for 8 years. She makes it
known to all. She has a stick on rose on all of her picture frames.


Wonderful, you've surrounded yourself with some people just like
yourself. Don't assume what you've built is real world.

I have to chuckle when you lefties speak. "I almost never
have anyone come in blasting lefty stuff", yet here you go.


Hey, it's just my own observation. I didn't say folks don't blast
lefty stuff on the internet, I said they don't do it in real world
personal interactions, in my experience. In your little focused
engineering mind, can you possibly comprehend that there is a
difference? You might be a prime example that people can be book
smart but dumb as a sack of hammers.

Hidden behind
the keyboard.


And you're not hidden behind your keyboard, hypocrite?

What, no balls, afraid to challenge them?


I have sense enough not to bring my politics into the work place, or
to confront my clients or employees with it. I find it interesting
that you profess I have no balls for not making my politics obvious,
then you claim none of your employees know your a conservative. Are
you admitting you have no balls while accusing me of having none, or
were you lying when you said none of your employees know your
political leanings?

Only have the balls
to do it from a keyboard on the net?


Clue, dingleberry, we are both expressing our opinions from a
keyboard. God help me if I ever have to have someone with your lack
of objectivity do an engineering task for me.

Too ashamed of your position?


There is a difference between being ashamed and having the common
sense to know when politics are out of place. I would guess you prove
there is a big difference between plain old common sense and book
learning.

A typical left wing coward.


A coward? Big words from behind a keyboard, don't yak' think?

A closet Deaniac.


A personal insult from behind your keyboard? What was it you were
saying about folks who only have balls when they are behind the
keyboard? You seem to fit the profile perfectly.

Grow a
pair of nuts and come out of the closet.


For a guy who professes to be so well educated, you certainly seem to
revert to adolescent behaviors quickly.

Argyle



bb

Doug Kanter July 21st 05 12:20 PM


"Argyle" argyle@nospam wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:55:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

The weather cooled down a bit today, Harry. All the slugs are coming out
from under the rotting vegetation. They're here. :-)

Harry was the first to hit the delete all messages killfile. I hope you
feel
honored to join him.


Regards,
Argyle


Bull****. Your type can't stay away from the stupid arguments they start.
Not having the last word will drive you crazy. You'll be back. :-)



thunder July 21st 05 12:27 PM

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:38:24 -0400, *JimH* wrote:


-------------------------------------- Perhaps it is time for the
Department of Justice to pay Harry Krause a visit. I will forward them a
copy of this post.


Don't expect a response. Political affiliation AFAIK does not have
protected status. Perhaps, there is a state that protects it, but
offhand, I know of none. Still, an employer would be rather stupid to
hire from a pool that eliminated the other 50% (@).

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/to...imination.html

[email protected] July 21st 05 02:40 PM



*JimH* wrote:
"Argyle" argyle@nospam wrote in message
...
On 20 Jul 2005 19:02:05 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

I wouldn't hire a right-winger or knowingly keep one on the payroll.
.."

harry, wouldn't that be discrimination?

and thats what your party supposedly fights to protects citizens
against..


I would hire you if you had the qualifications. I don't believe in
discrimination of any kind, politics, race, or creed.


Regards,
Argyle


I guess one of Krause's questions on the app is "What political party do you
belong to?"

He admitted to the same in a previous post when he admitted, and I quote :
-----------------------------
"I don't discriminate on the basis of gender, age, skin color, religion, or
country of origin. I don't recall any law that requires me to hire
right-wing retardos."
--------------------------------------
Perhaps it is time for the Department of Justice to pay Harry Krause a
visit. I will forward them a copy of this post.


Your obsession is getting worse!! Let's see, you've so far reported
Harry to the FBI, Dept. of Justice, and on and on. I can't wait to see
if they respond. My bet is because you compulsively do such things,
they ignore you, like the boy crying wolf!!! I'd love to see them
showing your forward to the Justice Dept, and laughing at you!!


[email protected] July 21st 05 02:42 PM



ObiWan Kenobi wrote:

OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor whose education
consisted only of reading and lectures, or the doctor who interned in a
hospital with real live (and real life) patients?



BWAAAAHAAA!!!!!! They've ALL interned in their specialties!!!!!


Doug Kanter July 21st 05 03:56 PM


"ObiWan Kenobi" wrote in message
...
wrote in
ups.com:



ObiWan Kenobi wrote:

OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor whose education
consisted only of reading and lectures, or the doctor who interned in a
hospital with real live (and real life) patients?



BWAAAAHAAA!!!!!! They've ALL interned in their specialties!!!!!


That's the POINT, genius. REAL WORLD experience is better than book
knowledge.


You're right. Instead of memorizing the names of muscles & nerves by reading
books, med students should learn these things from highly paid surgeons
holding flash cards.



P. Fritz July 21st 05 03:56 PM


"ObiWan Kenobi" wrote in message
...
wrote in
ups.com:



ObiWan Kenobi wrote:

OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor whose education
consisted only of reading and lectures, or the doctor who interned in a
hospital with real live (and real life) patients?



BWAAAAHAAA!!!!!! They've ALL interned in their specialties!!!!!


That's the POINT, genius. REAL WORLD experience is better than book
knowledge.



Kevin is a little slow on the uptake.........most likely from the bitch
slapping he constantly receives here in the NG.



Dan J.S. July 21st 05 03:59 PM


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...


Professors are people afraid to face the real world. They like to be
surrounded by job stability and cushy jobs.


OK. When you need surgery, do you want the doctor to tell you he was
taught by a professors in college, or that he just sorta picked up the
skill while watching his dad clean fish?


I would rather if the doctor was taught by another doctor that actually does
the surgery for a living. Professors can teach theory, but thats about it.



Doug Kanter July 21st 05 04:30 PM

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.


What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on learning?



Dan J.S. July 21st 05 05:14 PM


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.


What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were all
hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have another agenda,
like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the time, but in the end it's
all about paying less in taxes. Something the republicans promise and
deliver.




Doug Kanter July 21st 05 05:23 PM


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.


What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were all
hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have another
agenda, like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the time, but in
the end it's all about paying less in taxes. Something the republicans
promise and deliver.


Have you ever dealt with the financials for a company that intentionally
lowers its income (perhaps by lowering prices due to competition), and at
the same time announces a new expenditure that it will only describe as "a
lot", and cannot give any estimate of when the expenditure will cease?
Instead, it says "We can always issue more bonds".

Would you buy stock in a company like that? Even better: Would you like to
be the spokesman at the shareholders meeting, shortly after these financial
antics were announced?



DSK July 21st 05 05:43 PM

Dan J.S. wrote:
I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were all
hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian.


Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such ignorant
bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of various
Red/Blue states, too.



....in the end it's
all about paying less in taxes. Something the republicans promise and
deliver.


Really? Is that why the percent of GDP consumed by gov't spending has
gone up so astronomically under Bush/Cheney?

DSK


Don White July 21st 05 05:50 PM

Argyle wrote:
On 20 Jul 2005 19:02:05 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


I wouldn't hire a right-winger or knowingly keep one on the payroll.
.."

harry, wouldn't that be discrimination?

and thats what your party supposedly fights to protects citizens
against..



I would hire you if you had the qualifications. I don't believe in
discrimination of any kind, politics, race, or creed.


Regards,
Argyle


You're as full of **** as JimH. What about the gays who would like to
marry. You sure do discriminate against them.

Don White July 21st 05 06:01 PM

HarryKrause wrote:
thunder wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:38:24 -0400, *JimH* wrote:


-------------------------------------- Perhaps it is time for the
Department of Justice to pay Harry Krause a visit. I will forward
them a
copy of this post.



Don't expect a response. Political affiliation AFAIK does not have
protected status. Perhaps, there is a state that protects it, but
offhand, I know of none. Still, an employer would be rather stupid to
hire from a pool that eliminated the other 50% (@).

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/to...imination.html




So far, Jim has "reported" me to the FBI, the Department of Justice, the
Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, his lawyer, and Ann
Coulter. There must be quite a file folder abuilding on Jim.

Don't forget the 'Swarm & Destroy Nation'.

Dan J.S. July 21st 05 06:20 PM


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.

What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have another
agenda, like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the time, but in
the end it's all about paying less in taxes. Something the republicans
promise and deliver.


Have you ever dealt with the financials for a company that intentionally
lowers its income (perhaps by lowering prices due to competition), and at
the same time announces a new expenditure that it will only describe as "a
lot", and cannot give any estimate of when the expenditure will cease?
Instead, it says "We can always issue more bonds".

Would you buy stock in a company like that? Even better: Would you like to
be the spokesman at the shareholders meeting, shortly after these
financial antics were announced?


Sounds like the company wants to go bankrupt - and wants to give preference
to the bond holders by sucking out the cash. Keep in mind, last 3 years of
corporate corruptions have put in place rules that will effectively protect
shareholders from this.



Don White July 21st 05 06:21 PM

HarryKrause wrote:


Is that group an affiliate of the Moped Manchild Marathoners, wherein
guys from Northern Ohio swarm neighborhoods in search of boy children
they can make into love slaves?


Since we can only judge by the behavoir of one member in this
newsgroup...I'd say anything is possible.

Dan J.S. July 21st 05 06:22 PM


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.
What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University,


What more evidence is needed that no particular academic accomplishment is
needed to obtain an MBA?

Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a republican or a
libertarian.


Un-huh. This, no doubt, is something you found scratched on the men's room
wall at Northwestern.


For most part, Northwestern is very liberal. Kellogg is not, but the rest of
the campus is.



Dan J.S. July 21st 05 06:25 PM


"DSK" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian.


Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such ignorant
bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of various
Red/Blue states, too.


Yes, liberal degrees maybe. You will note that most MBA holders are
republicans. As a matter of fact, Kellogg hosted a few young republican
parties. I work in the securities industries, and I only know of a few
democrats that are traders, bankers or venture guys. Anyone making any money
will vote republican. It doesn't matter if they believe in the Iraq war, or
abortion, or anything else, they just care about paying less in taxes.
Everything else is secondary. The people that run the financial institutions
in the U.S. will vote republican.





Doug Kanter July 21st 05 06:28 PM


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.

What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have another
agenda, like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the time, but in
the end it's all about paying less in taxes. Something the republicans
promise and deliver.


Have you ever dealt with the financials for a company that intentionally
lowers its income (perhaps by lowering prices due to competition), and at
the same time announces a new expenditure that it will only describe as
"a lot", and cannot give any estimate of when the expenditure will cease?
Instead, it says "We can always issue more bonds".

Would you buy stock in a company like that? Even better: Would you like
to be the spokesman at the shareholders meeting, shortly after these
financial antics were announced?


Sounds like the company wants to go bankrupt - and wants to give
preference to the bond holders by sucking out the cash. Keep in mind, last
3 years of corporate corruptions have put in place rules that will
effectively protect shareholders from this.


You're right. The company wants to go bankrupt. Now: Why are you comfortable
with our government doing this? And, please don't say "lowering taxes
increases revenue at the other end", because there's no linear connection
between the two. Correlation, maybe, but you don't make financial plans
based on correlation, just as you don't invest money in stocks if you must
have the cash in a year without any risk.



P. Fritz July 21st 05 06:32 PM


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian.


Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such ignorant
bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of various
Red/Blue states, too.


Yes, liberal degrees maybe. You will note that most MBA holders are
republicans. As a matter of fact, Kellogg hosted a few young republican
parties. I work in the securities industries, and I only know of a few
democrats that are traders, bankers or venture guys. Anyone making any

money
will vote republican. It doesn't matter if they believe in the Iraq war,

or
abortion, or anything else, they just care about paying less in taxes.
Everything else is secondary. The people that run the financial

institutions
in the U.S. will vote republican.


You hit the nail on the head.......tons of "liberal arts" "philosophy" and
"english" majors.....then they graduate and whine about not being able to
get a job outside the local mall........and expect "big daddy" guvmint to do
somethng about it.








Doug Kanter July 21st 05 06:43 PM


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian.


Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such ignorant
bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of various
Red/Blue states, too.


Yes, liberal degrees maybe. You will note that most MBA holders are
republicans. As a matter of fact, Kellogg hosted a few young republican
parties. I work in the securities industries, and I only know of a few
democrats that are traders, bankers or venture guys. Anyone making any
money will vote republican. It doesn't matter if they believe in the Iraq
war, or abortion, or anything else, they just care about paying less in
taxes. Everything else is secondary. The people that run the financial
institutions in the U.S. will vote republican.


When I worked at Paine Webber beginning in 1987, there was also the theory
that people in that biz voted mostly Republican. But, there's something
called the "Dewar's Effect" which brought out the truth in a number of
instances. People often say one thing, but do another. You never know.



Dan J.S. July 21st 05 06:48 PM


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian.
Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such ignorant
bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of various
Red/Blue states, too.


Yes, liberal degrees maybe.


Liberal degrees?


Liberal arts, etc




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