San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html

P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


Then, I'll ask again. Why, if this article is true, would S.F. have the
Pampanito and the Jeremiah O'Brian in full view, at Fisherman's
Wharf?????

wrote in message
oups.com...


P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to
berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and
turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship,
officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also
now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


Then, I'll ask again. Why, if this article is true, would S.F. have the
Pampanito and the Jeremiah O'Brian in full view, at Fisherman's
Wharf?????


Different Board of Sups!

P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"


Here, this shows what an idiot you are.:
http://www.maritime.org/pamphome.htm for the Pampanito
http://www.ssjeremiahobrien.org/ For the Jeremia O'Brien.

"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:30:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?


The peace movement is a big deal in SF. Gays and lesbians are a big deal in SF.
I'll bet there's a big overlap. If they are treated so badly, why do they
persist in wanting to join the military?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:30:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians
badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?


The peace movement is a big deal in SF. Gays and lesbians are a big deal
in SF.
I'll bet there's a big overlap. If they are treated so badly, why do they
persist in wanting to join the military?

Probably for the same reason you did. Why do you assume their patriotic
feelings are any different? And, just like the straight population, some
join because assuming you don't dead, there are some financial benefits
after you escape.