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( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set
out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"Jim" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession thanks to the Bush tax cut. Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. Additionally, the Taliban would still control Afghanistan. Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq. France, Russia and China would still be selling banned weapons to Iraq. UN officials would still be skimming billions off the oil-for-food program. al Qaeda would be stronger than ever, and probably control the oil coming from the Middle East. And numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring because algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? And you have to love revisionist history.of the wacko left. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? And you have to love revisionist history.of the wacko left. I really believe that had Gore been President in the aftermath following 9/11, his ineptness would have led to several additional cataclysmic attacks since then...and we'd probably have UN troops in our cities "protecting" our citizens by now. Liberals don't realize how lucky we are that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were in charge when al Qaeda decided to launch the opening salvo of WWIII. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
What could be worse??? John Kerry. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
Dang, we have gone from an isolated terrorist attack on the United States to
the beginning of WW3.... And it only took Bush 3 years! "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... I really believe that had Gore been President in the aftermath following 9/11, his ineptness would have led to several additional cataclysmic attacks since then...and we'd probably have UN troops in our cities "protecting" our citizens by now. Liberals don't realize how lucky we are that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were in charge when al Qaeda decided to launch the opening salvo of WWIII. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? And you have to love revisionist history.of the wacko left. I really believe that had Gore been President in the aftermath following 9/11, his ineptness would have led to several additional cataclysmic attacks since then...and we'd probably have UN troops in our cities "protecting" our citizens by now. Liberals don't realize how lucky we are that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were in charge when al Qaeda decided to launch the opening salvo of WWIII. Gas would also be $12.00 a gallon and we'd all be driving mopeds due to guvmint regulations |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
wrote in message hlink.net... Dang, we have gone from an isolated terrorist attack on the United States to the beginning of WW3.... And it only took Bush 3 years! Actually, it only took 8 months...which means, realistically, it was planned under his predecessor's watch. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
Ahh yes, blame everything on the man before... The man that paid down the
deficit... The man that ushered the Stock market up and beyond the 10,000 mark for the first time in history. The man that defended himself of bogus charges as well as ran this country to the best position it had been in in over 12 years. No, better yet, blame it on the man responsible, the man that was worried about how he would repay Halliburton and his Arab buddies for all the help getting him into office.... It appears he hasn't repaid the Supreme Court... They keep ruling against him!!!! "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message hlink.net... Dang, we have gone from an isolated terrorist attack on the United States to the beginning of WW3.... And it only took Bush 3 years! Actually, it only took 8 months...which means, realistically, it was planned under his predecessor's watch. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
NOYB wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? Of course not. Most of what Bush has ****ed up would not have happened in a Gore Administration. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
wrote in message link.net... Ahh yes, blame everything on the man before... The 9/11 attack was planned before Bush took office, so why not? |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
NOYB wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession thanks to the Bush tax cut. Any rationalization to support your idiot POTUS Bush, eh? It's too bad you didn't suffer economically during the Bush recession. You'd be a better person with a bit of suffering and angst in your troublefree life. Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. This based upon your liberal arts studies of economics? |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
Actually, no it wasn't...
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message link.net... Ahh yes, blame everything on the man before... The 9/11 attack was planned before Bush took office, so why not? |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
NOYB wrote:
"P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? And you have to love revisionist history.of the wacko left. I really believe that had Gore been President in the aftermath following 9/11, his ineptness would have led to several additional cataclysmic attacks since then...and we'd probably have UN troops in our cities "protecting" our citizens by now. Based on wha? Your lack of understanding of the real world? Liberals don't realize how lucky we are that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were in charge when al Qaeda decided to launch the opening salvo of WWIII. Yeah, we're really lucky to have had the least prepared, dumbest, most dogmatic idiot in the history of the presidency in the White house the last three years. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
wrote in message link.net... Actually, no it wasn't... Since you don't seem to trust *our* government, here's some quotes out of one of the non-coalition countries: "Heinz Fromm, the head of Germany's domestic intelligence agency, told a court in Hamburg on Friday that he believed the devastating terrorist attacks that leveled New York's World Trade Center were planned by the Islamic extremist group al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the late 1990s." "Der Spiegel said the plot to use airplanes as weapons against U.S. targets was hatched as early as 1996. Mohammed's first plan was to use small planes loaded with explosives, but bin Laden reportedly dismissed that idea in favor of hijacking large passenger planes with the question: "Why swing an axe when you can use a bulldozer?"" http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,336...72_1_A,00.html |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession thanks to the Bush tax cut. Any rationalization to support your idiot POTUS Bush, eh? It's too bad you didn't suffer economically during the Bush recession. You'd be a better person with a bit of suffering and angst in your troublefree life. True to form, Harry wishes ill on a fellow American "just for his own good". Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. This based upon your liberal arts studies of economics? In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in economics. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? And you have to love revisionist history.of the wacko left. I really believe that had Gore been President in the aftermath following 9/11, his ineptness would have led to several additional cataclysmic attacks since then...and we'd probably have UN troops in our cities "protecting" our citizens by now. Based on wha? Your lack of understanding of the real world? Liberals don't realize how lucky we are that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were in charge when al Qaeda decided to launch the opening salvo of WWIII. Yeah, we're really lucky to have had the least prepared, dumbest, most dogmatic idiot in the history of the presidency in the White house the last three years. LOL. You seem especially moody today. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? And you have to love revisionist history.of the wacko left. I really believe that had Gore been President in the aftermath following 9/11, his ineptness would have led to several additional cataclysmic attacks since then...and we'd probably have UN troops in our cities "protecting" our citizens by now. Based on wha? Your lack of understanding of the real world? Liberals don't realize how lucky we are that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell were in charge when al Qaeda decided to launch the opening salvo of WWIII. Yeah, we're really lucky to have had the least prepared, dumbest, most dogmatic idiot in the history of the presidency in the White house the last three years. LOL. You seem especially moody today. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
To start with, if you want to use this as fact...
In February 2001, Binalshibh was given the target list, which included the U.S. Capitol building in Washington D.C. Shortly thereafter, Binalshibh and Atta picked the codeword “Porsche 911” for the plot. Now, reason you should not take this as fact: Heinz Fromm, the head of Germany’s domestic intelligence agency, told a court in Hamburg on Friday that he believed the devastating terrorist attacks that leveled New York’s World Trade Center were planned by the Islamic extremist group al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the late 1990s. "The September 11 attacks were not planned in Hamburg, rather, as far as we know, this happened in Afghanistan," Fromm told the court. He believed, and as far as we know, pretty much say that the date of which they are referring is pure speculation. This coupled with the fact that they did in fact convict Abdelghani Mzoudi... Pretty much says the argument was faulted "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message link.net... Actually, no it wasn't... Since you don't seem to trust *our* government, here's some quotes out of one of the non-coalition countries: "Heinz Fromm, the head of Germany's domestic intelligence agency, told a court in Hamburg on Friday that he believed the devastating terrorist attacks that leveled New York's World Trade Center were planned by the Islamic extremist group al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the late 1990s." "Der Spiegel said the plot to use airplanes as weapons against U.S. targets was hatched as early as 1996. Mohammed's first plan was to use small planes loaded with explosives, but bin Laden reportedly dismissed that idea in favor of hijacking large passenger planes with the question: "Why swing an axe when you can use a bulldozer?"" http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,336...72_1_A,00.html |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
wrote in message hlink.net... To start with, if you want to use this as fact... In February 2001, Binalshibh was given the target list, which included the U.S. Capitol building in Washington D.C. Shortly thereafter, Binalshibh and Atta picked the codeword "Porsche 911" for the plot. They were the "soldiers" just following orders from the higher-ups. The paragraph that preceded the one you just cited said this: Atta, who piloted the first plane into the World Trade Center, and at least two other Hamburg-based hijackers *in 1999* where picked for a "very secret mission" since they could speak English and were familiar with the western world. At that point they did not yet know what they would do, but were told to take flight training. In February 2001, Binalshibh was given the target list, which included the U.S. Capitol building in Washington D.C. Shortly thereafter, Binalshibh and Atta picked the codeword "Porsche 911" for the plot. ----------------------------------------------------- The planning was done in the late 90's. The terrorists were recruited in 1999, but weren't given the specifics until February 2001. The fact remains: 9/11 was planned during Clinton's watch. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote: Yeah, we're really lucky to have had the least prepared, dumbest, most dogmatic idiot in the history of the presidency in the White house the last three years. LOL. You seem especially moody today. Dr Dr hid the Zanax, and he forgot to go to the liquor store. He's a little nicer in his usual stupor... Jack |
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Were picked for a "very secret mission"
There is nothing here that said the mission had been planned, there is nothing that says where this happened, unless of course you follow history back and find that Atta was supposed to be living in Hamburg at that time. Granted, it might have been thought of, but planned, I doubt. I notice you ignored the parts about speculation and the fact that he was tried and convicted in Germany "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message hlink.net... To start with, if you want to use this as fact... In February 2001, Binalshibh was given the target list, which included the U.S. Capitol building in Washington D.C. Shortly thereafter, Binalshibh and Atta picked the codeword "Porsche 911" for the plot. They were the "soldiers" just following orders from the higher-ups. The paragraph that preceded the one you just cited said this: Atta, who piloted the first plane into the World Trade Center, and at least two other Hamburg-based hijackers *in 1999* where picked for a "very secret mission" since they could speak English and were familiar with the western world. At that point they did not yet know what they would do, but were told to take flight training. In February 2001, Binalshibh was given the target list, which included the U.S. Capitol building in Washington D.C. Shortly thereafter, Binalshibh and Atta picked the codeword "Porsche 911" for the plot. ----------------------------------------------------- The planning was done in the late 90's. The terrorists were recruited in 1999, but weren't given the specifics until February 2001. The fact remains: 9/11 was planned during Clinton's watch. |
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wrote in message ink.net... Were picked for a "very secret mission" There is nothing here that said the mission had been planned, there is nothing that says where this happened, unless of course you follow history back and find that Atta was supposed to be living in Hamburg at that time. Granted, it might have been thought of, but planned, I doubt. You're nuts. In 1996, they discussed using planes as weapons. In 1999, they recruited the terrorists and sent them to flight school. What do you suppose that was for? In case al Qaeda got it's hands on some F-16's and decided to form an air force? The plan was set in the late 90's. It was carried out just 2 years after Atta, et al, were recruited. They didn't disclose the final details of the plan to the hijackers until Feb. 2001. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message ink.net... Were picked for a "very secret mission" There is nothing here that said the mission had been planned, there is nothing that says where this happened, unless of course you follow history back and find that Atta was supposed to be living in Hamburg at that time. Granted, it might have been thought of, but planned, I doubt. You're nuts. In 1996, they discussed using planes as weapons. In 1999, they recruited the terrorists and sent them to flight school. What do you suppose that was for? In case al Qaeda got it's hands on some F-16's and decided to form an air force? The plan was set in the late 90's. It was carried out just 2 years after Atta, et al, were recruited. They didn't disclose the final details of the plan to the hijackers until Feb. 2001. You are absolutely right. And Clinton should've been aware of all this details, even though you'd call it "micromanagement" to expect Bush to be aware of them. |
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No one died when Clinton lied.
Things you have to believe to be a Republican today. 1. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery. 2. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq. 3. Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness. 4. "Standing Tall for America'" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India. 5. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation. 6. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton. 7. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay. 8. Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican. 9. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex. 10. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money. 11. HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart. 12. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism. 13. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools. 14. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion. 15. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy. 16. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet. 17. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business. Similarly his service record flying publicly funded aircraft is also none of the public's business. And don't even thing about Cheney's Halliburton/Energy Policy. 18. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt. 19. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant. 20. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony. Capt. Jeff |
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Yeah, it's a good thing we had these chickenhawks (Bush, Rumsfeld,
Wolfowitz, Cheney, not one of which ever really served a real day in uniform) in charge of the weapons so they could attack a country that spends 1/300th of our defense budget and kick their butts so that the bush-its could get re-elected and all their friends could make lots of money. Oh, wait, we aren't kicking their butts are we? Surprise, surprise... Capt. Jeff |
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:jd7qc.12789
Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession thanks to the Bush tax cut. Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. Additionally, the Taliban would still control Afghanistan. They pretty much still are, and as soon as we leave, they will be in full charge again, so just what have we accomplished there? Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq. So what? Did you HONESTLY, before Bush lied us into Iraq, think about Iraqi citizens being abused? And were those thoughts of how we could releive the suffering of those citizens? If so, then why now do you make statements like we should nuke them all? France, Russia and China would still be selling banned weapons to Iraq. Have a problem with governments selling weapons to Iraq? Did you have the same concerns when the United States (Rumsfield) did the same? UN officials would still be skimming billions off the oil-for-food program. Only difference is, now it's US that's doing that, by way of "private contractors", and Bush/Cheney are profiting. al Qaeda would be stronger than ever, and probably control the oil coming from the Middle East. How do you know that al Qaeda "would be stronger than ever" and "control the oil coming from the Middle East"? And numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring because algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue. What proof of this wild allegation do you have? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:_abqc.12958
Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. This based upon your liberal arts studies of economics? In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in economics. I guess not of it really *hit home* then, did it? |
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"NOYB" wrote
In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in economics. Now *that's* funny. Nobby, did any of your engineering profs tell you that the laws of physics can be trumped by faith & ideology? No wonder you became a dentist, I would be afraid to drive over any bridge you built. DSK |
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om... And numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring because algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue. What proof of this wild allegation do you have? He thinks the president runs every single aspect of the government. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
He thinks the president runs every single aspect of the government. Actually, that's one of my problems with the whole Bush Administration and their fans... they seem to have trouble distinguishing between a President (or Vice President) and a dictator. DSK |
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Actually, the original plan came about in the late 1980's.....
But the plan was sidetracked by a new direction of planting a bomb under one tower to get it to fall into the other... But then again, I really can't expect you to know history that well, you seem to be one that likes to make history up as you go. "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message ink.net... Were picked for a "very secret mission" There is nothing here that said the mission had been planned, there is nothing that says where this happened, unless of course you follow history back and find that Atta was supposed to be living in Hamburg at that time. Granted, it might have been thought of, but planned, I doubt. You're nuts. In 1996, they discussed using planes as weapons. In 1999, they recruited the terrorists and sent them to flight school. What do you suppose that was for? In case al Qaeda got it's hands on some F-16's and decided to form an air force? The plan was set in the late 90's. It was carried out just 2 years after Atta, et al, were recruited. They didn't disclose the final details of the plan to the hijackers until Feb. 2001. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message news:_abqc.12958 Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. This based upon your liberal arts studies of economics? In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in economics. I guess not of it really *hit home* then, did it? "not of it really hit home"? It appears that I retained more from Econ than you did from English. |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in economics. Now *that's* funny. Nobby, did any of your engineering profs tell you that the laws of physics can be trumped by faith & ideology? No wonder you became a dentist, I would be afraid to drive over any bridge you built. I still build bridges, but it'd be impossible to drive across any of 'em. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message news:jd7qc.12789 Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession thanks to the Bush tax cut. Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep recession. Additionally, the Taliban would still control Afghanistan. They pretty much still are, and as soon as we leave, they will be in full charge again, so just what have we accomplished there? Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq. So what? Did you HONESTLY, before Bush lied us into Iraq, think about Iraqi citizens being abused? Nope. I thought about Saddam waging his own private war against the US using terrorist mercenaries. And were those thoughts of how we could releive the suffering of those citizens? Nope. I really didn't care...and still don't. If so, then why now do you make statements like we should nuke them all? See my answers above. France, Russia and China would still be selling banned weapons to Iraq. Have a problem with governments selling weapons to Iraq? Did you have the same concerns when the United States (Rumsfield) did the same? No. At that time, Saddam wasn't teaming up with terrorist organizations to secretly wage war against the US. UN officials would still be skimming billions off the oil-for-food program. Only difference is, now it's US that's doing that, by way of "private contractors", and Bush/Cheney are profiting. Bush/Cheney are profiting? How so? al Qaeda would be stronger than ever, and probably control the oil coming from the Middle East. How do you know that al Qaeda "would be stronger than ever" and "control the oil coming from the Middle East"? Because algore would have given in to bin Laden's demands after 9/11...and left the Middle East. And numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring because algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue. What proof of this wild allegation do you have? Al Gore would have just continued with the Reno Justice Dept. method of combatting terrorism. Arrest the surviving suicide bombers. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim" wrote in message ... Consider that from the time he was elected to Arkansas, the Republicans set out to get him. He is the most investigated president in History (possibly the most investigated US citizen). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent investigating him, his wife, and others in his administration; yet all the could pin on him is a blow job (which BTW is NOT considered having sex in D.C.) IN SPITE of all the distractions, he let the nation to prosperity, Not 1 soldier he sent into battle failed to return (before someone hollers Somalia, I'll remind you that Bush the first sent the military there). Probably more millionaires were created during his 2 terms than any other, we were on good terms with most of the world. Now as to the "accomplishments" of Bush The US homeland was attack -- our defense was laughable -- not one plane in the air to defend the pentagon, in spite of over a hours warning. He promised to get those responsible, but hasn't. The economy is in the tank Joblessness is up He has alienated most of the civilized world Ordered 700+ of our sons and daughters to their death. Untold numbers have been wounded. We are mired in a conflict that seems unresolovable unless we admit defeat and pull out He has inspired fanatic suicide bombers to kill Americans whenever possible His administration is the most secretive in my memory. -- Allegations of Big Business involvement are everywhere His VP, and daddy are still connected with business that profits from war (Halliburton and the Carlyle Group ) There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Saudi's Bush Jr., is an embarrassment every time he speaks to the public because of his lack of proper english What could be worse??? Gore could have been President during all of this? YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done. I can't imagine what he could do worse A cry-baby might have done better? GIVE ME A BREAK! Thank Clinton/Gore for REFUSING to go after terrorists after the numerous attacks during their regime. Blame CLINTON for the economy since it takes a minimum of 2 years to effect the economy and the downward spiral started while Clinton was in power. And what about all the murders of those who were going to testify against the Clintons? What about the shame they brought to the US throughout the world by their criminal activities. What about deliberately lying to Congress, UNDER OATH! What about their refusal to prosecute sex offenders, actually DEFENDING child molesters? What about the Democrat's refusal to control spending? What about the Democrat's support of terrorists and refusal to supply the military with what is necessary for our troop's survival and effectiveness? Maybe you would rather have Kerry, who called the US troops fighting in Vietnam war criminals? Would he have the guts to go after terrorists? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! He SUPPORTS terrorists! -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org Remove .spamnot to respond by email --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 5/11/2004 |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "DSK" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in economics. Now *that's* funny. Nobby, did any of your engineering profs tell you that the laws of physics can be trumped by faith & ideology? No wonder you became a dentist, I would be afraid to drive over any bridge you built. I still build bridges, but it'd be impossible to drive across any of 'em. I'd would not want to deive across any bridge designed by a mechanical engineer. :-) But then I would not want a podiatrist to perform brain surgery either. |
( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
"Mike Dobony" wrote in message
... A cry-baby might have done better? GIVE ME A BREAK! Thank Clinton/Gore for REFUSING to go after terrorists after the numerous attacks during their regime. Blame CLINTON for the economy since it takes a minimum of 2 years to effect the economy and the downward spiral started while Clinton was in power. And what about all the murders of those who were going to testify against the Clintons? What about the shame they brought to the US throughout the world by their criminal activities. What about deliberately lying to Congress, UNDER OATH! What about their refusal to prosecute sex offenders, actually DEFENDING child molesters? What about the Democrat's refusal to control spending? What about the Democrat's support of terrorists and refusal to supply the military with what is necessary for our troop's survival and effectiveness? Maybe you would rather have Kerry, who called the US troops fighting in Vietnam war criminals? Would he have the guts to go after terrorists? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! He SUPPORTS terrorists! -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org I wish I could find the link which describes numerous occasions at the White House when the Clintons would tell the Secret Service guys to get lost while they barbecued children they'd kidnapped in local parks. |
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