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NOYB May 18th 04 08:44 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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And
numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring

because
algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue.


What proof of this wild allegation do you have?


He thinks the president runs every single aspect of the government.


LOL. Pot, kettle, black. It is *your side* which has been blaming Bush for
the actions of some perverts snapping pictures of naked Iraqis.



Doug Kanter May 18th 04 08:46 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...


And
numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring

because
algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue.

What proof of this wild allegation do you have?


He thinks the president runs every single aspect of the government.


LOL. Pot, kettle, black. It is *your side* which has been blaming Bush

for
the actions of some perverts snapping pictures of naked Iraqis.



No, dummy. My major complaint with Bush, with regard to the prison mess, is
that he hasn't rolled any heads yet. Among other things, one important
quality of a good boss is knowing when the use of terror is appropriate with
employees. Sadly, your president talks a good video game, but he's actually
quite the pussy.



DSK May 18th 04 08:53 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
P.Fritz wrote:
I'd would not want to deive across any bridge designed by a mechanical
engineer. :-)


Why not? Any decent mechanical engineering curriculum covers all that is
needed.

But then I would not want a podiatrist to perform brain surgery either.


So, who did you get to perform your brain surgery? A lawn mower repair man?

Personally I hope to avoid both Nobby's sort of bridges (both the dental
and the dream varieties), and brain surgery no matter who performs it.

DSK


P.Fritz May 18th 04 09:51 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
P.Fritz wrote:
I'd would not want to deive across any bridge designed by a mechanical
engineer. :-)


Why not? Any decent mechanical engineering curriculum covers all that is
needed.


You really do like to proclaim your ignorance.
Full of crap as usual

Mechanical Engineering Course of Study (far above 'decent" BTW)
FRESHMAN YEAR

Calculus I

Calculus II

English Composition I

English Composition II

General Chemistry

Intro. Physics I (mechanics)

Hist/Poly Sci Requirement

Introduction to Computing

Intro to Eng. Graphs. & Vis.

Wellness2


SOPHOMORE YEAR

Calculus III

Differential Equations

Intro Physics II (mag/optic)

Circuits and Electronics

Intro to Mechanics (statics/def bods)

Dynamics of rigid Bodies

Creative Decisions and Design

Principles & Applications of Eng. Materials

Computing Techniques

Science 3


JUNIOR YEAR

System Dynamics & Control

Experimental Methodology Lab

Thermodynamics

Economics Social Science4

Fluid Mechanics

Heat Transfer

Essentials of Eng.Economy

Machine Design

Mechanics of Materials

Statistics & Applications

Instrumentation & Electronics Lab

Energy Conversion & Mechatronics


SENIOR YEAR


Mechanical Eng Systems Lab

Experimental Eng. Lab

Energy systems Analysis & Design

Capstone Design

Engineering Ethics 5 (Social Science or Humanities)

Manufacturing Processes & Eng.

Technical Elective

Social Science Elective

Humanities Elective

Technical Elective

--------------------------------------------------------------

Not a significant structural engineering course in the lot



But then I would not want a podiatrist to perform brain surgery either.


So, who did you get to perform your brain surgery? A lawn mower repair

man?

Clueless as usual


Personally I hope to avoid both Nobby's sort of bridges (both the dental
and the dream varieties), and brain surgery no matter who performs it.

DSK




DSK May 18th 04 10:06 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
P.Fritz wrote:
Not a significant structural engineering course in the lot


really? What do you call

"Dynamics of rigid Bodies"
"Principles & Applications of Eng. Materials"
"Mechanics of Materials"

Designing a bridge was a freshman statics exercise when I was in school.

Clueless as usual


Agreed.

DSK


NOYB May 18th 04 11:08 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

wrote in message
link.net...
Actually, the original plan came about in the late 1980's.....


No it didn't. It is now believed that the original plan executed by Ramzi
Yousef of toppling the towers in 1993 was merged with the Bojinka plan
discovered during an arrest in the Philippines in 1995.


But the plan was sidetracked by a new direction of planting a bomb under

one
tower to get it to fall into the other...


Your timeline is out of order.




NOYB May 18th 04 11:10 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed Statics and
Design.




"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
...
P.Fritz wrote:
I'd would not want to deive across any bridge designed by a mechanical
engineer. :-)


Why not? Any decent mechanical engineering curriculum covers all that is
needed.


You really do like to proclaim your ignorance.
Full of crap as usual

Mechanical Engineering Course of Study (far above 'decent" BTW)
FRESHMAN YEAR

Calculus I

Calculus II

English Composition I

English Composition II

General Chemistry

Intro. Physics I (mechanics)

Hist/Poly Sci Requirement

Introduction to Computing

Intro to Eng. Graphs. & Vis.

Wellness2


SOPHOMORE YEAR

Calculus III

Differential Equations

Intro Physics II (mag/optic)

Circuits and Electronics

Intro to Mechanics (statics/def bods)

Dynamics of rigid Bodies

Creative Decisions and Design

Principles & Applications of Eng. Materials

Computing Techniques

Science 3


JUNIOR YEAR

System Dynamics & Control

Experimental Methodology Lab

Thermodynamics

Economics Social Science4

Fluid Mechanics

Heat Transfer

Essentials of Eng.Economy

Machine Design

Mechanics of Materials

Statistics & Applications

Instrumentation & Electronics Lab

Energy Conversion & Mechatronics


SENIOR YEAR


Mechanical Eng Systems Lab

Experimental Eng. Lab

Energy systems Analysis & Design

Capstone Design

Engineering Ethics 5 (Social Science or Humanities)

Manufacturing Processes & Eng.

Technical Elective

Social Science Elective

Humanities Elective

Technical Elective

--------------------------------------------------------------

Not a significant structural engineering course in the lot



But then I would not want a podiatrist to perform brain surgery

either.

So, who did you get to perform your brain surgery? A lawn mower repair

man?

Clueless as usual


Personally I hope to avoid both Nobby's sort of bridges (both the dental
and the dream varieties), and brain surgery no matter who performs it.

DSK






May 19th 04 12:03 AM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
Actually, the further I research, it appears that Project Bojinka was
developed after the bombing of the WTC Tower... and was later developed into
the building blocks of the 9/11 attacks...

Will search more because last night I had come across something that said
the Bojinka plans had started in the late 80's and the WTC bomb was a test
bomb for those plans.

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
link.net...
Actually, the original plan came about in the late 1980's.....


No it didn't. It is now believed that the original plan executed by Ramzi
Yousef of toppling the towers in 1993 was merged with the Bojinka plan
discovered during an arrest in the Philippines in 1995.


But the plan was sidetracked by a new direction of planting a bomb under

one
tower to get it to fall into the other...


Your timeline is out of order.






Paul Fritz May 19th 04 02:26 AM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed Statics

and
Design.


Do you really think that would qualify you to do bridge design? It is no
different than a podiatrist have a course. section in emergency room or
surgery.....doesn't make him qualified to practice it.....




"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
...
P.Fritz wrote:
I'd would not want to deive across any bridge designed by a

mechanical
engineer. :-)

Why not? Any decent mechanical engineering curriculum covers all

that is
needed.


You really do like to proclaim your ignorance.
Full of crap as usual

Mechanical Engineering Course of Study (far above 'decent" BTW)
FRESHMAN YEAR

Calculus I

Calculus II

English Composition I

English Composition II

General Chemistry

Intro. Physics I (mechanics)

Hist/Poly Sci Requirement

Introduction to Computing

Intro to Eng. Graphs. & Vis.

Wellness2


SOPHOMORE YEAR

Calculus III

Differential Equations

Intro Physics II (mag/optic)

Circuits and Electronics

Intro to Mechanics (statics/def bods)

Dynamics of rigid Bodies

Creative Decisions and Design

Principles & Applications of Eng. Materials

Computing Techniques

Science 3


JUNIOR YEAR

System Dynamics & Control

Experimental Methodology Lab

Thermodynamics

Economics Social Science4

Fluid Mechanics

Heat Transfer

Essentials of Eng.Economy

Machine Design

Mechanics of Materials

Statistics & Applications

Instrumentation & Electronics Lab

Energy Conversion & Mechatronics


SENIOR YEAR


Mechanical Eng Systems Lab

Experimental Eng. Lab

Energy systems Analysis & Design

Capstone Design

Engineering Ethics 5 (Social Science or Humanities)

Manufacturing Processes & Eng.

Technical Elective

Social Science Elective

Humanities Elective

Technical Elective

--------------------------------------------------------------

Not a significant structural engineering course in the lot



But then I would not want a podiatrist to perform brain surgery

either.

So, who did you get to perform your brain surgery? A lawn mower

repair
man?

Clueless as usual


Personally I hope to avoid both Nobby's sort of bridges (both the

dental
and the dream varieties), and brain surgery no matter who performs

it.

DSK









Paul Fritz May 19th 04 02:39 AM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed Statics

and
Design.


Out of curiosity.....where you in a 'college of enginneering' majoring in
mechanical, or were you in a 'college of mechanical engineering'?....





"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
...
P.Fritz wrote:
I'd would not want to deive across any bridge designed by a

mechanical
engineer. :-)

Why not? Any decent mechanical engineering curriculum covers all

that is
needed.


You really do like to proclaim your ignorance.
Full of crap as usual

Mechanical Engineering Course of Study (far above 'decent" BTW)
FRESHMAN YEAR

Calculus I

Calculus II

English Composition I

English Composition II

General Chemistry

Intro. Physics I (mechanics)

Hist/Poly Sci Requirement

Introduction to Computing

Intro to Eng. Graphs. & Vis.

Wellness2


SOPHOMORE YEAR

Calculus III

Differential Equations

Intro Physics II (mag/optic)

Circuits and Electronics

Intro to Mechanics (statics/def bods)

Dynamics of rigid Bodies

Creative Decisions and Design

Principles & Applications of Eng. Materials

Computing Techniques

Science 3


JUNIOR YEAR

System Dynamics & Control

Experimental Methodology Lab

Thermodynamics

Economics Social Science4

Fluid Mechanics

Heat Transfer

Essentials of Eng.Economy

Machine Design

Mechanics of Materials

Statistics & Applications

Instrumentation & Electronics Lab

Energy Conversion & Mechatronics


SENIOR YEAR


Mechanical Eng Systems Lab

Experimental Eng. Lab

Energy systems Analysis & Design

Capstone Design

Engineering Ethics 5 (Social Science or Humanities)

Manufacturing Processes & Eng.

Technical Elective

Social Science Elective

Humanities Elective

Technical Elective

--------------------------------------------------------------

Not a significant structural engineering course in the lot



But then I would not want a podiatrist to perform brain surgery

either.

So, who did you get to perform your brain surgery? A lawn mower

repair
man?

Clueless as usual


Personally I hope to avoid both Nobby's sort of bridges (both the

dental
and the dream varieties), and brain surgery no matter who performs

it.

DSK









basskisser May 19th 04 12:28 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:jd7qc.12789
Gore could have been President during all of this?

YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done.

I
can't imagine what he could do worse

I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession
thanks to the Bush tax cut. Without it, we'd probably still be in a

deep
recession. Additionally, the Taliban would still control Afghanistan.


They pretty much still are, and as soon as we leave, they will be in
full charge again, so just what have we accomplished there?

Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq.


So what? Did you HONESTLY, before Bush lied us into Iraq, think about
Iraqi citizens being abused?


Nope. I thought about Saddam waging his own private war against the US
using terrorist mercenaries.

And were those thoughts of how we could
releive the suffering of those citizens?


Nope. I really didn't care...and still don't.


If so, then why now do you
make statements like we should nuke them all?


See my answers above.


France, Russia and China would
still be selling banned weapons to Iraq.


Have a problem with governments selling weapons to Iraq? Did you have
the same concerns when the United States (Rumsfield) did the same?


No. At that time, Saddam wasn't teaming up with terrorist organizations to
secretly wage war against the US.

UN officials would still be
skimming billions off the oil-for-food program.


Only difference is, now it's US that's doing that, by way of "private
contractors", and Bush/Cheney are profiting.


Bush/Cheney are profiting? How so?


al Qaeda would be stronger
than ever, and probably control the oil coming from the Middle East.


How do you know that al Qaeda "would be stronger than ever" and
"control the oil coming from the Middle East"?


Because algore would have given in to bin Laden's demands after 9/11...and
left the Middle East.


And
numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring

because
algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue.


What proof of this wild allegation do you have?


Al Gore would have just continued with the Reno Justice Dept. method of
combatting terrorism. Arrest the surviving suicide bombers.



Now we are getting somewhere. So, I take it, by your above answers,
that you really don't buy into BushCos rhetoric about freeing Iraqis,
and making there lives better through democracy? Good, the intelligent
people of the U.S. have known that was pure horse**** from the
beginning!! Thank you for realizing it, also. Now if you could just
get the rest of your right wing fanatics to believe it, we could get
Bush out of the white house.

basskisser May 19th 04 12:30 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:_abqc.12958
Without it, we'd probably still be in a deep
recession.

This based upon your liberal arts studies of economics?

In undergrad, I majored in Mechanical Engineering, with a minor in
economics.


I guess not of it really *hit home* then, did it?


"not of it really hit home"? It appears that I retained more from Econ than
you did from English.


Ah, so, you want to make this an argument about typing, and
grammatical errors? What a dim bulb you are.

basskisser May 19th 04 12:36 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:jd7qc.12789
Gore could have been President during all of this?

YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have done.

I
can't imagine what he could do worse

I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived recession
thanks to the Bush tax cut. Without it, we'd probably still be in a

deep
recession. Additionally, the Taliban would still control Afghanistan.


They pretty much still are, and as soon as we leave, they will be in
full charge again, so just what have we accomplished there?

Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq.


So what? Did you HONESTLY, before Bush lied us into Iraq, think about
Iraqi citizens being abused?


Nope. I thought about Saddam waging his own private war against the US
using terrorist mercenaries.

And were those thoughts of how we could
releive the suffering of those citizens?


Nope. I really didn't care...and still don't.


If so, then why now do you
make statements like we should nuke them all?


See my answers above.


France, Russia and China would
still be selling banned weapons to Iraq.


Have a problem with governments selling weapons to Iraq? Did you have
the same concerns when the United States (Rumsfield) did the same?


No. At that time, Saddam wasn't teaming up with terrorist organizations to
secretly wage war against the US.


Sure they were, you twit!!! They have ALWAYS been scheming against the
U.S., as to them, we are satanists.

UN officials would still be
skimming billions off the oil-for-food program.


Only difference is, now it's US that's doing that, by way of "private
contractors", and Bush/Cheney are profiting.


Bush/Cheney are profiting? How so?


Do you not think that they have holdings in the companies hired? Are
you REALLY that blind?


al Qaeda would be stronger
than ever, and probably control the oil coming from the Middle East.


How do you know that al Qaeda "would be stronger than ever" and
"control the oil coming from the Middle East"?


Because algore would have given in to bin Laden's demands after 9/11...and
left the Middle East.


How do you know this? Any proof?


And
numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring

because
algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue.


What proof of this wild allegation do you have?


Al Gore would have just continued with the Reno Justice Dept. method of
combatting terrorism. Arrest the surviving suicide bombers.


Again do you have any proof of this? Or, like BushCo, just like to
spew rhetoric? Do you call the above statement the "proof" that I
asked for?

NOYB May 19th 04 12:53 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed

Statics
and
Design.


Do you really think that would qualify you to do bridge design?


No, not now. I graduated in 1993, and took the EIT exam...but never worked
as an engineer. If I had pursued engineering, my degree *would* have
qualified me (eventually) to do "bridge design". But you are right...if I
really wanted to design bridges, I'd have studied Civil Engineering.

Mechanical Engineers build bombs and weapons. Civil Engineers build
targets.



Paul Fritz May 19th 04 12:59 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed

Statics
and
Design.


Do you really think that would qualify you to do bridge design?


No, not now. I graduated in 1993, and took the EIT exam...but never

worked
as an engineer. If I had pursued engineering, my degree *would* have
qualified me (eventually) to do "bridge design". But you are right...if

I
really wanted to design bridges, I'd have studied Civil Engineering.

Mechanical Engineers build bombs and weapons. Civil Engineers build
targets.


The ME's I work with design HVAC systems........

The best doctors (and dentists :-) ) I've meet have all been engineers
or math majors in undergrad......something about their problem solving
skills :-)






NOYB May 19th 04 01:02 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed

Statics
and
Design.


Out of curiosity.....where you in a 'college of enginneering' majoring

in
mechanical, or were you in a 'college of mechanical engineering'?....


BSME Purdue University 1993. It was the "Schools of Engineering" Mechanical
Engineering degree. In April of this year, they renamed the "Schools of
Engineering" the "Colleges of Engineering". Purdue also offered a
"Mechanical Engineering Technology" (MET) degree...but I believe it was
offered by the Schools of Technology.

Here's a link of the program I attended:
http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/ME/Undergrad/index283.whtml

The CE classes I took were technical electives. I had a difficult time
visualizing the concepts of fluid mechanics and heat and mass transfer. I
preferred things that I could visualize a little bit easier...like Statics,
Dynamics, and Structural Design.





NOYB May 19th 04 01:07 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message

thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:jd7qc.12789
Gore could have been President during all of this?

YES, and we will never know how well (or poorly) he might have

done.
I
can't imagine what he could do worse

I can. By all measures, we experienced a *very* short-lived

recession
thanks to the Bush tax cut. Without it, we'd probably still be in a

deep
recession. Additionally, the Taliban would still control

Afghanistan.

They pretty much still are, and as soon as we leave, they will be in
full charge again, so just what have we accomplished there?

Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq.

So what? Did you HONESTLY, before Bush lied us into Iraq, think about
Iraqi citizens being abused?


Nope. I thought about Saddam waging his own private war against the US
using terrorist mercenaries.

And were those thoughts of how we could
releive the suffering of those citizens?


Nope. I really didn't care...and still don't.


If so, then why now do you
make statements like we should nuke them all?


See my answers above.


France, Russia and China would
still be selling banned weapons to Iraq.

Have a problem with governments selling weapons to Iraq? Did you have
the same concerns when the United States (Rumsfield) did the same?


No. At that time, Saddam wasn't teaming up with terrorist organizations

to
secretly wage war against the US.

UN officials would still be
skimming billions off the oil-for-food program.

Only difference is, now it's US that's doing that, by way of "private
contractors", and Bush/Cheney are profiting.


Bush/Cheney are profiting? How so?


al Qaeda would be stronger
than ever, and probably control the oil coming from the Middle East.

How do you know that al Qaeda "would be stronger than ever" and
"control the oil coming from the Middle East"?


Because algore would have given in to bin Laden's demands after

9/11...and
left the Middle East.


And
numerous additional domestic terrorist attacks would be occurring

because
algore would be dealing with each attack as a law enforcement issue.

What proof of this wild allegation do you have?


Al Gore would have just continued with the Reno Justice Dept. method of
combatting terrorism. Arrest the surviving suicide bombers.



Now we are getting somewhere. So, I take it, by your above answers,
that you really don't buy into BushCos rhetoric about freeing Iraqis,
and making there lives better through democracy?


No, that's being offered for the bleeding heart simpletons.



Good, the intelligent
people of the U.S. have known that was pure horse**** from the
beginning!!


And the really intelligent people see Iraq as just a cog in the wheel of our
fight on terrorism. It provides a strategic geographical location in the
Middle East to act as a staging area against terrorist groups in the region.
It also provides the necessary oil flow we'll need while Saudi Arabia goes
through its struggle against the Wahhabi fundametalists.


Thank you for realizing it, also. Now if you could just
get the rest of your right wing fanatics to believe it, we could get
Bush out of the white house.


You obviously don't fall among the "really intelligent people".



DSK May 19th 04 01:09 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
Paul Fritz wrote:
The best doctors (and dentists :-) ) I've meet have all been engineers
or math majors in undergrad......something about their problem solving
skills :-)


Unless they have gotten intellectually lazy and take a lot of shortcuts,
like NOBBY.

BTW most younger doctors wouldn't have a chance to take an engineering
degree undergrad, they have to have either pre-med or one of the
biological sciences. Getting into medical school has become totally cut
throat and an engineer would not be remotely competitive even with
perfect M-Cats.

Pardon me for interrupting your schmooze. Carry on.

DSK


NOYB May 19th 04 01:09 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

wrote in message
link.net...
Actually, the further I research, it appears that Project Bojinka was
developed after the bombing of the WTC Tower... and was later developed

into
the building blocks of the 9/11 attacks...

Will search more because last night I had come across something that said
the Bojinka plans had started in the late 80's and the WTC bomb was a test
bomb for those plans.



Everything that I've read indicated that the Bojinka plot developed
independently of and after the 1993 WTC bombing. In 1996, the idea of
merging the two was hatched.



"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
link.net...
Actually, the original plan came about in the late 1980's.....


No it didn't. It is now believed that the original plan executed by

Ramzi
Yousef of toppling the towers in 1993 was merged with the Bojinka plan
discovered during an arrest in the Philippines in 1995.


But the plan was sidetracked by a new direction of planting a bomb

under
one
tower to get it to fall into the other...


Your timeline is out of order.








thunder May 19th 04 02:08 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:07:16 +0000, NOYB wrote:


And the really intelligent people see Iraq as just a cog in the wheel of
our fight on terrorism. It provides a strategic geographical location in
the Middle East to act as a staging area against terrorist groups in the
region. It also provides the necessary oil flow we'll need while Saudi
Arabia goes through its struggle against the Wahhabi fundametalists.


Unless it is just for my consumption, you know, a less intelligent
*voter*, there is considerable talk about cutting and running for your
assessment to hold water. I believe your neocon dream has long since gone
by the wayside.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3721491.stm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_1474638.htm

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=34670

NOYB May 19th 04 02:39 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Paul Fritz wrote:
The best doctors (and dentists :-) ) I've meet have all been

engineers
or math majors in undergrad......something about their problem solving
skills :-)


Unless they have gotten intellectually lazy and take a lot of shortcuts,
like NOBBY.

BTW most younger doctors wouldn't have a chance to take an engineering
degree undergrad, they have to have either pre-med or one of the
biological sciences. Getting into medical school has become totally cut
throat and an engineer would not be remotely competitive even with
perfect M-Cats.


Very true...for dental school as well. I didn't get into dental school on my
first attempt. Dental school had maybe 8 or 9 "required" science classes to
qualify for admission. They called it the Biology-Chemistry-Physics (BCP)
GPA. They also looked at the overall science GPA. Those with a science GPA
below 3.0, didn't even get looked at. I had a 2.9 "science" GPA (every
engineering class counted towards the science GPA), and a 3.1 overall GPA.
However, my BCP GPA was 3.86. After being placed on a "waiting list" the
first go-around, I wrote a letter to one of the Professors on the selection
committee who also had an engineering degree. I pointed out to him that the
school was passing up a lot of good candidates who were engineers solely on
a policy that didn't compare apples to apples. There were classmates of
mine who studied French in undergrad and took only the bare minimum of
science classes. They had science GPA's of 3.2 and BCP GPA's of
3.2...compared to my BCP of 3.86. My letter managed to get my application
a second look...and I was accepted the following year. I finally graduated
dental school with a GPA that put me 18th in a class of 93 students (GPA
around a 3.6).



P.Fritz May 19th 04 04:08 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed

Statics
and
Design.


Out of curiosity.....where you in a 'college of enginneering' majoring

in
mechanical, or were you in a 'college of mechanical engineering'?....


BSME Purdue University 1993. It was the "Schools of Engineering"

Mechanical
Engineering degree. In April of this year, they renamed the "Schools of
Engineering" the "Colleges of Engineering". Purdue also offered a
"Mechanical Engineering Technology" (MET) degree...but I believe it was
offered by the Schools of Technology.


So you did get a 'real' mechanical engineering degree. :-)


Here's a link of the program I attended:
http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/ME/Undergrad/index283.whtml

The CE classes I took were technical electives. I had a difficult time
visualizing the concepts of fluid mechanics and heat and mass transfer. I
preferred things that I could visualize a little bit easier...like

Statics,
Dynamics, and Structural Design.


So the CE classes where not required.

I had the difficult time with Eng. Calculus and quantum physics.....two
area I never had and will never have a need for. :-)








P.Fritz May 19th 04 04:23 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
P.Fritz wrote:
Not a significant structural engineering course in the lot


really? What do you call

"Dynamics of rigid Bodies"
"Principles & Applications of Eng. Materials"
"Mechanics of Materials"

Designing a bridge was a freshman statics exercise when I was in school.


snicker if you think those courses qualify to design bridges, then you
are a bigger fool than ever.
Simple 'beam' design as taught in statics, as well as what is covered in
mechanics of materials doesn't come close to the needed information for
bridge design.......you are a fool.


Clueless as usual


Agreed.


glad to see you admit you are such a fool




DSK




P.Fritz May 19th 04 04:24 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Paul Fritz wrote:
The best doctors (and dentists :-) ) I've meet have all been

engineers
or math majors in undergrad......something about their problem solving
skills :-)


Unless they have gotten intellectually lazy and take a lot of shortcuts,
like NOBBY.

BTW most younger doctors wouldn't have a chance to take an engineering
degree undergrad, they have to have either pre-med or one of the
biological sciences. Getting into medical school has become totally cut
throat and an engineer would not be remotely competitive even with
perfect M-Cats.


Very true...for dental school as well. I didn't get into dental school on

my
first attempt. Dental school had maybe 8 or 9 "required" science classes

to
qualify for admission. They called it the Biology-Chemistry-Physics (BCP)
GPA. They also looked at the overall science GPA. Those with a science

GPA
below 3.0, didn't even get looked at. I had a 2.9 "science" GPA (every
engineering class counted towards the science GPA), and a 3.1 overall GPA.
However, my BCP GPA was 3.86. After being placed on a "waiting list" the
first go-around, I wrote a letter to one of the Professors on the

selection
committee who also had an engineering degree. I pointed out to him that

the
school was passing up a lot of good candidates who were engineers solely

on
a policy that didn't compare apples to apples. There were classmates of
mine who studied French in undergrad and took only the bare minimum of
science classes. They had science GPA's of 3.2 and BCP GPA's of
3.2...compared to my BCP of 3.86. My letter managed to get my

application
a second look...and I was accepted the following year. I finally

graduated
dental school with a GPA that put me 18th in a class of 93 students (GPA
around a 3.6).


I know two doctors ( both under 40 ) personally that don't even have a
undergraduate degree.





NOYB May 19th 04 04:29 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed

Statics
and
Design.

Out of curiosity.....where you in a 'college of enginneering'

majoring
in
mechanical, or were you in a 'college of mechanical engineering'?....


BSME Purdue University 1993. It was the "Schools of Engineering"

Mechanical
Engineering degree. In April of this year, they renamed the "Schools of
Engineering" the "Colleges of Engineering". Purdue also offered a
"Mechanical Engineering Technology" (MET) degree...but I believe it was
offered by the Schools of Technology.


So you did get a 'real' mechanical engineering degree. :-)


I lived with an MET guy. He'd always ask "how do you guys remember off the
top of your head that g=9.806 m/s^2"?

Answer: Uh, 'cause we used it about a gazillion times in our calculations
each day.

The MET guys knew the hands-on stuff better however.


Here's a link of the program I attended:
http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/ME/Undergrad/index283.whtml

The CE classes I took were technical electives. I had a difficult time
visualizing the concepts of fluid mechanics and heat and mass transfer.

I
preferred things that I could visualize a little bit easier...like

Statics,
Dynamics, and Structural Design.


So the CE classes where not required.

I had the difficult time with Eng. Calculus


Especially Calc. II. I believe that covered Fourier transforms?

and quantum physics.....two
area I never had and will never have a need for. :-)


I agree once again. Things I could visualize, I did well in. Things that
required plugging and chugging variables into the 3rd derivative of an
equation made no sense to me.




P.Fritz May 19th 04 04:53 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
I had Civil Engineering I and II in my ME program. It followed
Statics
and
Design.

Out of curiosity.....where you in a 'college of enginneering'

majoring
in
mechanical, or were you in a 'college of mechanical

engineering'?....

BSME Purdue University 1993. It was the "Schools of Engineering"

Mechanical
Engineering degree. In April of this year, they renamed the "Schools

of
Engineering" the "Colleges of Engineering". Purdue also offered a
"Mechanical Engineering Technology" (MET) degree...but I believe it

was
offered by the Schools of Technology.


So you did get a 'real' mechanical engineering degree. :-)


I lived with an MET guy. He'd always ask "how do you guys remember off

the
top of your head that g=9.806 m/s^2"?

Answer: Uh, 'cause we used it about a gazillion times in our calculations
each day.

The MET guys knew the hands-on stuff better however.


What I meant was Getting a BSME as opposed to a BE majoring in mechanical
:-)



Here's a link of the program I attended:
http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/ME/Undergrad/index283.whtml

The CE classes I took were technical electives. I had a difficult

time
visualizing the concepts of fluid mechanics and heat and mass

transfer.
I
preferred things that I could visualize a little bit easier...like

Statics,
Dynamics, and Structural Design.


So the CE classes where not required.

I had the difficult time with Eng. Calculus


Especially Calc. II. I believe that covered Fourier transforms?


It was a few (well many) years back..........diffy qs went right by
me.......but I was more concerned about my design studios


and quantum physics.....two
area I never had and will never have a need for. :-)


I agree once again. Things I could visualize, I did well in. Things that
required plugging and chugging variables into the 3rd derivative of an
equation made no sense to me.






DSK May 19th 04 06:10 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
P.Fritz wrote:
I know two doctors ( both under 40 ) personally that don't even have a
undergraduate degree.


DOs or vets?

DSK


DSK May 19th 04 06:25 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
P.Fritz wrote:
snicker if you think those courses qualify to design bridges, then you
are a bigger fool than ever.
Simple 'beam' design as taught in statics, as well as what is covered in
mechanics of materials doesn't come close to the needed information for
bridge design.......you are a fool.


Why, no... those course wouldn't land one a job as a bridge designer,
but that's not what I said. With the knowledge in those courses (plus,
perhaps I should add, a little common sense) one *could* design a bridge
that would not fall down.

Maybe that parenthetical qualifier lets you out of the picture?


.......you are a fool.


Maybe, maybe not... but I'm not the one dredging for any excuse to call
other people names. Are you really 9 years old or do you just act this
way on the internet?

DSK


basskisser May 19th 04 07:08 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
"NOYB" wrote in message news:HsJqc.21317
Very true...for dental school as well. I didn't get into dental school on my
first attempt.


Gee, why am I not surprised by THAT????

NOYB May 19th 04 07:44 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:HsJqc.21317
Very true...for dental school as well. I didn't get into dental school

on my
first attempt.


Gee, why am I not surprised by THAT????


Huh?



basskisser May 20th 04 07:33 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:HsJqc.21317
Very true...for dental school as well. I didn't get into dental school

on my
first attempt.


Gee, why am I not surprised by THAT????


Huh?


Again, just the response expected from you. Huh? duh........

John Smith May 20th 04 08:24 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
Whatever you say. Soon you will be telling us about your Lobster Boat and
your "young wife" who is a doctor doctor.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message

hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:HsJqc.21317
Very true...for dental school as well. I didn't get into dental

school
on my
first attempt.

Gee, why am I not surprised by THAT????


Huh?


Again, just the response expected from you. Huh? duh........




basskisser May 21st 04 12:16 PM

( OT ) On Clinton vs Bush.
 
"John Smith" wrote in message news:rB7rc.84679$536.14080739@attbi_s03...
Whatever you say. Soon you will be telling us about your Lobster Boat and
your "young wife" who is a doctor doctor.


And you'll be basing everything in life on nothing but wild
assumptions, with no regard to facts.


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