"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops. Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops. Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered
our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to
me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops.
Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right
about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had
an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

Number 3 would be easy. When they're deaf and near-blind, and their cars
look like they're fresh off the set of Mad Max, it's a sure bet that they'll
be in an accident withing the next 6 months. Number 2 would be easy as
well: you'll catch no fish tonight. Number 1 is purely random, so there's
no way to accurately predict it.

Number 4, "Finding the WMD", is a sure thing however.

Sorry Noyb... You appear to be wrong again

http://www.wtkr.com/global/story.asp?s=1873574
Rumsfeld says it wasn't necessarily sarin

Washington-AP -- Don't jump to any conclusions just yet. That warning comes
from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, after the U-S military in Iraq
announced that a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve gas had exploded near
a U-S military convoy.

Rumsfeld told a Washington, D-C audience that the "field test" showing the
presence of sarin may not be accurate. He says more analysis needs to be
done -- and that it may take some time to find out just what the chemical
was.

In Baghdad, officials said the bomb was apparently left over from the Saddam
era. They said two members of a military bomb squad were treated for "minor
exposure" -- but that there were no serious injuries.

One official says the shell apparently contained two chemicals that are
designed to combine and create sarin -- but that they didn't mix properly.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda
agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to
keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and
the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered
our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks
to
me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al
Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops.
Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right
about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis
had
an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

Number 3 would be easy. When they're deaf and near-blind, and their cars
look like they're fresh off the set of Mad Max, it's a sure bet that
they'll
be in an accident withing the next 6 months. Number 2 would be easy as
well: you'll catch no fish tonight. Number 1 is purely random, so
there's
no way to accurately predict it.

Number 4, "Finding the WMD", is a sure thing however.

NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

DSK

Easy there, Doug. You're dealing with someone who needs to have a minimal
amount of information perfectly arranged and never disturbed. Sort of like
Dustin Hoffman in "Rainman".

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal. One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.
a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.
a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with al-
Zaqarwi.

Colon Powel last Sunday on Meet The Press... We have found that our
multisourced information from before the war was incorrect.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal. One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.
a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.
a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with
al-
Zaqarwi.

wrote in message
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Colon Powel last Sunday on Meet The Press... We have found that our
multisourced information from before the war was incorrect.


Great. And what specifically was he referring to? Certainly not al Qaeda's
link to Saddam.

Is this the same Colin Powell who has said that the Bush administration
has deliberately kept him misinformed, and who said that he in turn
mislead the UN?

NOYB wrote:
According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal.

And this is proof of Saddam's involvement... how?

... One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.

Other than to invoke panic, is there any reason that the effectiveness
of the poison is evidence against Saddam?

a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.

Trying to help or hurt? Considering that Al Queda had several times
publicly declared Saddam Hussein to be one of their biggest enemies, it
seems unlikely to me that an "Al queda safe haven" in territory
controlled by enemies of Saddam is very good proof he was involved in
the Sept 11th attack.

a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with al-
Zaqarwi.

Which terrorists? Gathering for what purpose?

It seems very murky and incomplete to me. OTOH the simple facts are that
the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis and Egyptian. Have we seen any
anti-terrorist operations in Egypt on Saudi Arabia?

But wait, there's more. The Turks were among our best allies in the
Middle East, now they are coming to hate us. The Syrians were very
cooperative in anti-terrorist operations, now Bush & Cheney have slapped
them with sanctions and they are likely to begin aiding & abetting them.
North Korea is closer than ever to having an atom bomb, and Bush &
Cheney have done nothing about that. Furthermore, Wolfowitz and
Rumsfeld's policy of deliberately flouting the Geneva Convention seems
to be skating closer and closer to a war crimes issue. Their
politicization of the U.S. intelligence community is making it less and
less effective.

This is just a short list, and makes it readily apparent that Bush &
Cheney's strategy seems curiously ineffective in fighting terrorism.
OTOH it is tremendously effective in generating profits for military
contractors starting with Halliburton of course.

DSK