On 16 May 2004 01:47:23 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:
I spent time this afternoon at a gathering that included a bunch of ex hydro
drivers. As somebody said, "The old drivers are easy to pick out of the crowd,
they're the guys who are walking with limps."

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I met an ex hydro driver this spring who had blown over backwards at
somewhere around 200 mph. He had more than just a limp, but also a
lot of great stories. That said, none of these guys do any serious
navigating and their opinion of knots vs mph doesn't count for much in
my book. Most of them run on protected inland waters and have
probably never looked at a chart. The only people who like mph are
inland boaters, and those who'd like to inflate their numbers.

Maybe I'm wrong Chuck but I've never thought of you as an inland
boater.

The only people who like mph are
inland boaters, and those who'd like to inflate their numbers.

This poor horse is going to get beat to death.

If you walked into a donut shop and asked,
"How much for a half dozen maple bars?"
and the donut kid answered, "Sir, I'll sell you six maple bars for $4," is he
trying to make you think you're getting more fatty poison than you're paying
for? After all, the word "six" represents a higher number than the term
"one-half".

No. You're using two different standards to express the same thing, and both
are accurate. If you give the kid $4 and he gives you six maple bars instead of
"half a dozen" you would have no basis at all for complaint about the quantity
received.

Now, if the kid tells you he's going to sell you half a dozen for $4, and sacks
up only half a single maple bar instead.......that's deceptive. :-)

Maybe I'm wrong Chuck but I've never thought of you as an inland
boater.

Like the vast majority of boaters in the Pacific NW, I do spend the bulk of my
time in "Inland Waters". Inland COLREGS apply everywhere south of a point at
the head of Admiralty Inlet, east of Deception Pass, and all the way up the lee
side of Vancouver Island. The most time I ever spend in a typical year in any
area not considered "inland" is on the occassion or two that I might cross the
Strait of Juan de Fuca rather than do an end run up the lee side of Whidbey
Island.

We can and do experience some lumpy
conditions at times, with steep waves at short intervals. Am I, or most boaters
in the Pacific NW, routinely braving 6-7 foot
breaking waves and flying spray? No. Been there, proved my boat is capable of
handling it, and would prefer to avoid frequent repetitions of same. If I'm
heading north and the Strait is a snarly mess, I'm not too proud to run up the
inside. As I have often told the Mrs. when we're pounding through head seas and
collecting
eel grass in the windshield wipers.. "All that screaming isn't helping a damn
thing."

My little tug travels in knots. Heck, you could multiply some of my cruise
speeds by 1.15 and still wind up with single digits.

A whizzy express cruiser zipping along on plane can be accurately logged in
either MPH or knots, and as long as the standard being used is disclosed there
is
no element of deception involved.

On 16 May 2004 04:17:38 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:
Like the vast majority of boaters in the Pacific NW, I do spend the bulk of my
time in "Inland Waters". Inland COLREGS apply everywhere south of a point at
the head of Admiralty Inlet, east of Deception Pass, and all the way up the lee
side of Vancouver Island.

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In the spirit of ensuring a totally lifeless horse, the key thing is
the distance scale on your charts. If the distance scale is in
statute miles, i.e., 5280 feet - then you are an inland boater. I
suspect your charts are otherwise and so also should your boat reports
except for the dinkiest lake craft.

Wayne.B wrote:

the key thing is the distance scale on your charts.

??????????

If the distance scale is in
statute miles, i.e., 5280 feet - then you are an inland boater. I
suspect your charts are otherwise and so also should your boat reports
except for the dinkiest lake craft.

Even dead horses can kick ...

Charts for Puget Sound depict inland waters - and - are printed with a
scale in nautical miles.

Just as Chuck stated, "Inland COLREGS apply everywhere south of a
point at the head of Admiralty Inlet, east of Deception Pass, and all
the way up the lee side of Vancouver Island."

The chart for Lake Washington Ship Canal and Lake Washington (18447)
provides a scale for nautical, statute, and yards ... the "key thing"
that determines "inland" is the COLREGS, not the chart scale.

Rick

On Mon, 17 May 2004 00:32:37 GMT, Rick
wrote:

The chart for Lake Washington Ship Canal and Lake Washington (18447)
provides a scale for nautical, statute, and yards ... the "key thing"
that determines "inland" is the COLREGS, not the chart scale.

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For COLREGS purposes you are correct of course and the issue was never
in dispute.

For the purpose of disuading Chuck from reporting boat performance
numbers in mph when he most surely knows better, then I am correct.
:-)

As an FYI, Mrs B and I have gone to contract on a GB 49. The survey
and sea trial are scheduled for tomorrow, full newsgroup reports to
follow soon thereafter. Performance will be reported in kts of
course. The numbers will be low anyway you slice them but it will
travel at those speeds for a LOOOONG time without a fuel stop.

As an FYI, Mrs B and I have gone to contract on a GB 49.

Hey! Nice boat. The Classic or the aft-cabin model?

On 17 May 2004 04:23:53 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

As an FYI, Mrs B and I have gone to contract on a GB 49.

Hey! Nice boat. The Classic or the aft-cabin model?

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It's a 1981 Classic with twin DD 671N engines, twin generators, Naiad
stabilizers, Robertson autopilot and a few other goodies. The survey
and sea trial went fairly well today but there are some items that
will need to be negotiated. We'll have the written survey reports and
the oil analysis by end of week. The fuel tanks are being pressure
tested as we speak, with results expected in a few days. It's quite a
different ride compared to the Bertram 33 sportfish that I just sold,
but a LOT more fuel efficient, and still fast compared to all of my
previous sail boats.

In the spirit of ensuring a totally lifeless horse, the key thing is
the distance scale on your charts. If the distance scale is in
statute miles, i.e., 5280 feet - then you are an inland boater. I
suspect your charts are otherwise and so also should your boat reports
except for the dinkiest lake craft.


So you're saying it's OK, in your book, to use MPH on an inland lake? Does
Lake Washington count?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
In the spirit of ensuring a totally lifeless horse, the key thing is
the distance scale on your charts. If the distance scale is in
statute miles, i.e., 5280 feet - then you are an inland boater. I
suspect your charts are otherwise and so also should your boat reports
except for the dinkiest lake craft.


So you're saying it's OK, in your book, to use MPH on an inland lake?
Does
Lake Washington count?



People that are not necessarily boaters are the hydro spectators. Whether
they are unlimiteds or crackerbox boats. They run in circles. All people
understand MPH, but most do not understand Knots is reference to speed.

On 17 May 2004 04:19:54 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

So you're saying it's OK, in your book, to use MPH on an inland lake? Does
Lake Washington count?

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No, it's too close to salt water and anyone who lives near there
should know better.