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Ree-Yees May 15th 04 07:52 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved 15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C




Chris Newport May 15th 04 08:41 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Saturday 15 May 2004 7:52 pm in rec.boats Ree-Yees wrote:

I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:

http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
15-20 yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?


15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.


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Charles T. Low May 15th 04 09:02 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
I'm not sure what that kind of anchor is for. Maybe for "mooring," but it
doesn't look like anything any serious boater I know uses for conventional
anchoring.

From the library, get a Chapmans or other boating text and read the
anchoring section. There's a lot of "technique" as well as "hardware" to
consider. There are fluke-style anchors (e.g. Danforth, Fortress),
plow-style anchors (e.g. CQR), and Bruce anchors (and facsimiles). And a few
other more specialized types. The technique of "setting" an anchor is a
little different than that of getting it "hold" once it's set.

Using chain? How much? Attached to what kind of line, and how much? How much
do you pay out? What's the bottom like?

Congratulations for keeping a good anchor watch! You're ahead of the curve
by just doing that.

====

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"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:

http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved

15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C




Jay May 15th 04 09:37 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
I would get a Danforth anchor, and stick with rope..
Here's a pictu http://www.woods-group.co.uk/mooring...rth_anchor.jpg
Should run you about 100 bucks... we use one on a river with moderate
current, and similar depth, and it never moves...

-j

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:

http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved

15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C






IBNFSHN May 15th 04 09:54 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
80 ft of chain for a 19 ft boat. Good Grief! Well that would certainly hold
it, you wouldn't even need an anchor at the end of it.

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Chris Newport" wrote in message
news:1230651.ZhFhDyEEMr@callisto...
On Saturday 15 May 2004 7:52 pm in rec.boats Ree-Yees wrote:

I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:


http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the

boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
15-20 yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?


15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.


--
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WARNING all messages containing attachments or html will be silently
deleted. Send only plain text.




JAXAshby May 15th 04 11:21 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.


even in a Midwest prarrie lake?

nah, *then* a a 15# anchor is what you want.

JAXAshby May 15th 04 11:22 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
you should have
paid out 80 feet of chain


on a Sea-Ray 19 footer?

nah.

JAXAshby May 15th 04 11:28 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
that is an anchor for muddy rivers and lakes. It is the PREFERRED anchor for
muddy rivers and lakes on boats just stopped to do a little fishing.

Don't let anyone talk you into some anchor/chain/12 to 1 scope monstrosity
better suited to anchoring on a coral reef.

what you have preferred for the waters that boat used in prior, and probably
the waters you intend to use the boat in now.

I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved 15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C












Ree-Yees May 16th 04 12:02 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Im anchoring in J Percy Priest lake in tennesse, it is a muddy lake.

The people before me said they only used the anchor twice, so I would assume
they just had it for the heck of it. However, me and my family like to
anchor down for an hour to do some fishing or swimming.

I have been looking up some anchoring information and it appears that I have
been going about it all wrong and with this garbage anchor. All the other
boats that I see anchored are just dropping them over the side to the bottom
and ting it up. So that is what I have done.

I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make like
a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool. I
have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
those out too.

There sure is alot to learn about boats. Sure sucks some money away too!

Thanks guys,
--C

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
that is an anchor for muddy rivers and lakes. It is the PREFERRED anchor

for
muddy rivers and lakes on boats just stopped to do a little fishing.

Don't let anyone talk you into some anchor/chain/12 to 1 scope monstrosity
better suited to anchoring on a coral reef.

what you have preferred for the waters that boat used in prior, and

probably
the waters you intend to use the boat in now.

I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:


http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...3&hvarTarget=s

e
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the

boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved

15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C















Jeff Morris May 16th 04 01:53 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
"Chris Newport" wrote in message
news:1230651.ZhFhDyEEMr@callisto...

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?


15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.


Total, complete nonsense. There are a number of 15 pound anchors that are
perfectly fine for a small boat, even overkill. I've anchored many times with
a small Fortress; may current second anchor is a FX23, which is only 15 pounds.
Although I'm not a fan of Danforth style anchors as the only anchor in high risk
situations (current reversing in the middle of the night near a rocky shore) in
a muddy lake this would be a very secure anchor.

And contrary to some claims, all chain is usually a waste, often counter
productive. For a small boat in protected waters, the minimum chain, perhaps 8
feet, is best. On my last boat I had a small Fortress for a lunch hook, and
tried to use it with no chain, but it was hard to get it to the bottom if there
was a current.

The problem with the OP's anchor is that its designed for fishing off a small
boat, where long term holding is not even desirable.



Wayne.B May 16th 04 03:44 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Sat, 15 May 2004 16:02:43 -0400, "Charles T. Low"
wrote:

I'm not sure what that kind of anchor is for. Maybe for "mooring," but it
doesn't look like anything any serious boater I know uses for conventional
anchoring.


===============================

It's a modified mushroom anchor. They've been around for years and
are perfectly suitable for anchoing small boats in soft bottoms and
protected conditions.

For a 19 foot boat I'd recommend something like a 9 pound Danforth
anchor with 6 feet of 1/4 chain and a 3/8ths nylon rode. As long as
the anchor is well set , and you let out sufficient scope, you could
ride out almost anything with that combination.


Wayne.B May 16th 04 03:46 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Sat, 15 May 2004 18:02:19 -0500, "Ree-Yees"
wrote:

That danforth anchor looks pretty cool. I
have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
those out too.


======================================

Danforths make a very good all around anchor for soft or sandy
bottoms.


Charles T. Low May 16th 04 12:26 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
The kind of "anchoring" (not "__anchor__") you're describing is sometimes
called using a "lunch hook." In other words, you're not expecting heavy
conditions, you're not staying very long, and most importantly you have your
bearings under constant observation so that you can take corrective action
immediately if the anchor starts to drag.

You may be able to get away with a fairly casual setup for such a lunch
hook. For more serious anchoring, boaters know that anchors work best when
the pull on them is nearly horizontal, which is why the standard advice is
to use a scope of 1:7. If the depth is 3 metres (from the bottom to the
__bow chocks__!) then you let out 21 metres of "rode" (of whatever
material).

However, in crowded inland non-tidal anchorages with a calm forecast, 21
metres of rode gives you a swinging circle of 42 metres, so that's often not
practical. I often sleep overnight with a 4:1 rode, for example, and will
lunch at 3:1 or 2:1.

Using chain on the end of your line helps. Most consider it essential (for
more than "lunching"). It won't abrade through if it chafes on a rock, it
adds weight down near the anchor to help keep the pull closer to horizontal.
I have worried several times if my anchor was properly set in weeds, in a
light wind gusting up to 10 knots, and so snorkelled down to find the chain
not even pulled taut. I was, in fact, holding just on the weight of the
chain. (And I saw a big cruiser drag onto the rocks last year when the wind
freshened and the weight of the chain alone could no longer hold him! His
anchor obviously wasn't well set - mine was!) One rule of thumb is a length
of chain equal to your boat length.

There is some disagreement about whether the standard "7:1" is for an
all-rope rode, or whether using chain reduces it. (I think not.) But the
main thing is: lots of rode in heavy conditions. I exceeded 7:1 when a
gale-force squall line blew through one day, and didn't begrudge one
centimetre of the extra rode I let out.

Then there's the choice of type of anchor, but you can see how much more
there is to it than hardware. I've barely started...

====

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"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
Im anchoring in J Percy Priest lake in tennesse, it is a muddy lake.

The people before me said they only used the anchor twice, so I would

assume
they just had it for the heck of it. However, me and my family like to
anchor down for an hour to do some fishing or swimming.

I have been looking up some anchoring information and it appears that I

have
been going about it all wrong and with this garbage anchor. All the other
boats that I see anchored are just dropping them over the side to the

bottom
and ting it up. So that is what I have done.

I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make

like
a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool.

I
have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
those out too.

There sure is alot to learn about boats. Sure sucks some money away too!

Thanks guys,
--C




JAXAshby May 16th 04 02:07 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Danforths make a very good all around anchor for soft or sandy
bottoms.


danforths are not normally used in rivers and lakes because rivers and lakes
often have tree stumps, sunken logs and/or other things on which the danforth
points will catch and not come loose. that is why the mushroom anchor is so
popular, and why the anchor found on the boat in question has the soft points.

JAXAshby May 16th 04 02:11 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
guys, you know nuthin about whats yous speaks. the boat is on a LAKE and you
spitting back everything you ever read about anchoring in a seaway ancitipating
heavy weather. kindly knock it off. if the guy wants to read the high seas
anchoring reports, he can do it himself.

in the meantime, the guy has the PREFERRED anchor for where he has his boat.
many boaters in those waters use a 15# or 20# _mushroom_ anchor because the
mushroom is even less likely to catch junk on the lake bottom.

JAXAshby May 16th 04 02:16 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
As long as
the anchor is well set , and you let out sufficient scope, you could
ride out almost anything with that combination.


"ride out almost anything" is NOT what one does in a 19 foot Sea-Ray on a lake.
No need to, and can be rather dangerous if one tried to. Lakes can get real
choppy in rough weather.

Greg O May 16th 04 05:29 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...

I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make

like
a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool.

I
have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
those out too.



I would be tempted to try a few feet of chain with the achor you have. The
chain will change the abgle of the "bite" on the anchor. Unless you are
looking for an anchor o hold you in place through anything!

I use a anchor simular to a danforth. I am a fair weather boaters so it
works good enough for me, although the boat will drag it some.
Greg


Peggie Hall May 16th 04 06:19 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Ree-Yees wrote:
Im anchoring in J Percy Priest lake in tennesse, it is a muddy lake.


Then a Danforth would be the right anchor.


The people before me said they only used the anchor twice, so I would assume
they just had it for the heck of it. However, me and my family like to
anchor down for an hour to do some fishing or swimming.


In even the lightest breeze or slightest current, the river anchor you
have is likely to drag.


I have been looking up some anchoring information and it appears that I have
been going about it all wrong and with this garbage anchor.



I wouldn't call it a "garbage anchor"...it has a specific purpose. I
just wouldn't even leave the boat unattended/no one aboard with only
that anchor down.


I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make like
a 45 degree angle with my anchor!


There's a bit more to it than that. The minimum scope (length of anchor
line) should be at least 3x the water's depth...so in 15' of water,
you'd need to put out at least 45' of anchor line. In windy conditions
or in a strong current (which you might have to do if you have engine
trouble to keep from going aground till help arrives), the scope has to
be increase to as much as 7x the water's depth to make sure the anchor
holds. This "rule" applies regardless of the size of the boat,
btw...boat size/weight only matters when selecting the right size/weight
anchor...there are charts in most of the marine catalogs that show the
type and size anchor needed.

No one has mentioned anchor line... Do not use polypropylene "ski rope"
as an anchor line. Anchor line should be 1/2" 3-strand nylon, at least
100'...150' would be even better. It should be attached to the anchor
using a thimble and a shackle that swivles, not just tied to it with
knot. I'd also put 4-5' of heavy anchor chain between the anchor and the
line, to help weight the anchor down...anchors can only hold when
they're lying flat--which is the reason for 3-7 x the water's depth.

There sure is alot to learn about boats.


Yep...and we've even barely even scratched the surface on what you need
to know about anchoring. I strongly recommend that you take a CC Aux or
US Power Squadron boating safety class. 'Cuz even a lake can be a very
dangerous place if you don't know what you're doing.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
that is an anchor for muddy rivers and lakes. It is the PREFERRED anchor
for
muddy rivers and lakes on boats just stopped to do a little fishing.


I disagree, Jax...and I was ON an inland lake for 20+ years. I had a 10
lb river anchor that kept through several boats from 24' to 36'...I
mostly used it off the stern to keep it from swinging when anchored just
off a beach...I wouldn't use one as my only anchor while everyone is the
water swimming, only while someone is aboard.

Don't let anyone talk you into some anchor/chain/12 to 1 scope monstrosity
better suited to anchoring on a coral reef.


Oooh...you're gonna draw fire with that choice of words! :)

What he needs is the right anchor and line for his boat and conditions.
It's not whether he's in the ocean or a lake that determine that...it's
the size/weight of the boat and the type of bottom--sand, mud, rock.


--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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Wayne.B May 16th 04 11:43 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On 16 May 2004 13:07:28 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

danforths are not normally used in rivers


===================================

Jax, I'd almosr forgotten about your river experience. Tell us once
again how you recommended to some poor schnook on this news group that
he navigate the Genesee River between the NYS Barge Canal (AKA, Erie),
and Lake Ontario.

See the link below for a good picture of the route Jax proposed:

http://www.geneseeriverrestaurant.com/images/dam.jpg

If we look at that picture under sufficient magnification we might be
able to see Jax just above the dam in his Porta Bote, about to soil
his knickers.

JAXAshby May 17th 04 02:21 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
wayne gits hisself in a hissy fit when hes finds hisself say sumpin stewped
twice agains, as iss shows below:

danforths are not normally used in rivers


===================================

Jax, I'd almosr forgotten about your river experience. Tell us once
again how you recommended to some poor schnook on this news group that
he navigate the Genesee River between the NYS Barge Canal (AKA, Erie),
and Lake Ontario.

See the link below for a good picture of the route Jax proposed:

http://www.geneseeriverrestaurant.com/images/dam.jpg

If we look at that picture under sufficient magnification we might be
able to see Jax just above the dam in his Porta Bote, about to soil
his knickers.









Calif Bill May 17th 04 07:07 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
Im anchoring in J Percy Priest lake in tennesse, it is a muddy lake.

The people before me said they only used the anchor twice, so I would

assume
they just had it for the heck of it. However, me and my family like to
anchor down for an hour to do some fishing or swimming.

I have been looking up some anchoring information and it appears that I

have
been going about it all wrong and with this garbage anchor. All the other
boats that I see anchored are just dropping them over the side to the

bottom
and ting it up. So that is what I have done.

I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make

like
a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool.

I
have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
those out too.

There sure is alot to learn about boats. Sure sucks some money away too!

Thanks guys,
--C

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
that is an anchor for muddy rivers and lakes. It is the PREFERRED

anchor
for
muddy rivers and lakes on boats just stopped to do a little fishing.

Don't let anyone talk you into some anchor/chain/12 to 1 scope

monstrosity
better suited to anchoring on a coral reef.

what you have preferred for the waters that boat used in prior, and

probably
the waters you intend to use the boat in now.

I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:



http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...3&hvarTarget=s
e
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the

boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved

15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C


http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...=SearchResults
The 10# would be good for your boat. Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope. Use no less than 3/8"
line as anything smaller hurts your hands as you pull the anchor. Get
anchor line, not poly rope as does not float, and is easier to deal with.
Costs maybe $20 for 100' of line. I keep a second 100' line in the boat, if
I need more, but I also anchor in deep, fast rivers. I have one to the
mushroom anchors, and it does not hold very well. I use it on my Anchor
Buddy line, as it rarely gets stuck, but will hold for the purpose of
keeping the back of the boat off the beach.
Bill



JAXAshby May 18th 04 01:21 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.


in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to the
mushroom and drop it overboard.

Dan Krueger May 18th 04 01:45 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Evidently there is at least one big lake called "Lake Michigan". Some people
think it's so big they need to have chain AND big boats. I haven't Googled it
yet, but it sounds REALLY big!

There are, of course, 'littler' lakes - like Lake Winnebago. Those lakes don't
need big boats or chain, right?

I don't travel in lakes anymore, but your expertise would be invaluable to those
who do. Please let them know before it's too late!

Dan


JAXAshby wrote:

Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.



in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to the
mushroom and drop it overboard.



Wayne.B May 18th 04 04:57 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Tue, 18 May 2004 00:45:47 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

There are, of course, 'littler' lakes - like Lake Winnebago. Those lakes don't
need big boats or chain, right?


=====================================

Jax got his experience on Lake Windy Bagel, much smaller than
Winnebago.


Wayne.B May 18th 04 04:58 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:57:17 -0400, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:

Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.


==================================

And if you give him enough of it....


Ookie Wonderslug May 18th 04 05:12 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:52:18 -0500, "Ree-Yees"
wrote:

I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catal...&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved 15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C



I have a 4 pound danforth anchor for my little boat. Got it at Walmart
for $11 on clearance. I can't use chain. My anchor is on the front
and I sit on the back. I have the rope rigged through a pulley so I
can lower it and raise it from the back. Chain would not go through
the pulley and the anchor must be all the way to the pulley or it will
be in the water and hit the boat. I use an extension cord reel to keep
the rope from getting tangled. Works really well.

In rocky waters, it can catch and be nearly impossible to raise. But
it holds in swift current at the dam's base which is what I want. In
muddy or sandy waters I have to "set" it. Which means I drop anchor
and then back up laying out line, When I have enough line out I secure
the anchor and continue backing until it catches and the boat stops.
Never drift an inch that way. Sometimes takes a few tries to get it to
catch though.

I have a 10 pound mushroom anchor that I keep at the stern. I use it
to keep the boat from moving around in circles and tangling my fishing
lines. The 4 pound danforth holds much better than the 10 pound
mushroom in every situation except soft mud. It sinks down and holds
tight.

But my experience comes from using a 14ft fiberglass semi-v jon boat.
I don't know how well it applies to big boats.

Calif Bill May 18th 04 05:34 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.


in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor

ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to the
mushroom and drop it overboard.


You ain't seen much. First you do not use rope on an anchor. And if there
is wind, on a lake, you want the chain to help get the anchor to set. Try
Okeechobee. I bet the wind can blow bit time there.



Peggie Hall May 18th 04 06:55 AM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Calif Bill wrote:

You ain't seen much. First you do not use rope on an anchor.


According to whom???? Or do you only mean that rope shouldn't be
connected directly to the anchor?

I'd guess that 99% of small powerboat anchor lines are rope...and very
few of 'em have any chain between the anchor and the rode. Not that it
isn't a good idea...they just don't have any.

The major mistake many of 'em make is in just tying the line onto the
anchor with a unidentifiable mess that doesn't even come close to
resembling any recognized knot instead of using a thimble and a shackle.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1


JAXAshby May 18th 04 12:14 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Thanks, dam, for pointing out that that world's second largest fresh water body
of water is just exactly almost like a fishing lake in Kentucky. You have no
idea how grateful we all are here that you can google and then tell the
Kentucky Sea-Ray owner to lay in 275 feet of chain, a 65# CQR, an electric
windlass, a backup 35# Danforth anchor, another 275 feet of chain, 75# fishman
anchor with 200 feet of heavy chain and a 25# "lunch hook" with 80 feet of
chain.

Again, dam, thanks for sharing your in-depth knowledge.

At least one thing came of your post, dam. Before, the Sea-Ray owner didn't
know why the word "squathead" was usually used in reference to a powerboater.
Now he does.

Evidently there is at least one big lake called "Lake Michigan". Some people

think it's so big they need to have chain AND big boats. I haven't Googled
it
yet, but it sounds REALLY big!

There are, of course, 'littler' lakes - like Lake Winnebago. Those lakes
don't
need big boats or chain, right?

I don't travel in lakes anymore, but your expertise would be invaluable to
those
who do. Please let them know before it's too late!

Dan


JAXAshby wrote:

Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.



in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to the
mushroom and drop it overboard.











JAXAshby May 18th 04 12:16 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Jax got his experience on Lake Windy Bagel, much smaller than
Winnebago.


wayne got his experience in a bathtub reading magazines and navigating a rubber
ducky around a pylon.

JAXAshby May 18th 04 12:17 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.

that is the term used by boaters in the context of the Sea-Ray owner's
question.

"line" is fishing line, "rope" is anchor rope.

JAXAshby May 18th 04 12:20 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
billie, you spend too much time in the bathtub playing with the "ducky" and not
enough time on the water.

Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.


in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor

ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to the
mushroom and drop it overboard.


You ain't seen much. First you do not use rope on an anchor. And if there
is wind, on a lake, you want the chain to help get the anchor to set. Try
Okeechobee. I bet the wind can blow bit time there.











Eisboch May 18th 04 01:06 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.


that is the term used by boaters in the context of the Sea-Ray owner's
question.

"line" is fishing line, "rope" is anchor rope.


Try anchor rode.

Eisboch


Peter W. Meek May 18th 04 02:04 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On Sun, 16 May 2004 17:19:56 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

The minimum scope (length of anchor
line) should be at least 3x the water's depth...so in 15' of water,
you'd need to put out at least 45' of anchor line.


Measure the "depth" from where the anchor rode
meets the boat. If your chock or cleat is 3'
above the water, the effective depth would be
18' in 15' of true depth. This makes much more
difference in shallow water than in deep water.

And as Peggie says, 3x is the minimum -- good
weather, little wind or current, and someone
keeping an eye on things at all times. If you
want to relax or leave the boat for a while,
you need more scope than that.


Gould 0738 May 18th 04 02:56 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.


that is the term used by boaters in the context of the Sea-Ray owner's
question.

"line" is fishing line, "rope" is anchor rope.


Try anchor rode.

Eisboch



Acch!

You're all right, sort of.

"Rope" is a proper term for certain types of cordage aboard a boat.
Technically, it is supposed to apply to cordage that is 1" or more in diameter,
with lesser sizes considered "small stuff", or "twine". Nobody in 2004 uses the
term "small stuff" on a pleasure boat, and we all think of "twine" as something
you use to wrap a parcel or lash a Christmas tree to the roof of the family
station wagon. Rope works.
The guy who refers to unemployed cordage
as "rope" isn't lubberly- it's the white slacks, blue blazer, yacht clubber
gripping the champagne flute with an extended pinky finger and feigning disgust
whenever anybody uses the term "rope" that
displays ignorance on the topic.

When rope is put to work, it can become a "line." It can be a bow line, a stern
line, a spring line, a breast line, etc.
But rope can work without being a line of any type. It can be a halyard, a
lashing, a bell rope, or any number of things not properly considered a "line."

An achor rode is the rope, chain, cable, or combination thereof that connects
vessel to anchor.



Wayne.B May 18th 04 03:42 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On 18 May 2004 13:56:06 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

"Rope" is a proper term for certain types of cordage aboard a boat.


======================================

Now I understand.

Rope is the stuuf you use to make knots...


Gould 0738 May 18th 04 04:11 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
Now I understand.

Rope is the stuuf you use to make knots...


Hmmm.......

A guy who hangs on every phrase that Limbaugh speaks is a ditto head.

A guy who smoke pot is a pothead.

So, what's a guy who is hung up on knots?

:-)

Wayne.B May 18th 04 05:15 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
On 18 May 2004 15:11:00 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

So, what's a guy who is hung up on knots?


======================================

A guy hung up on knots is, ugh, a little stretched out...

Just got a phone call from the boatyard doing the pressure testing on
the GB fuel tanks. Not good it turns out.

So what's your favorite way of replacing fuel tanks on a GB49?


Calif Bill May 18th 04 06:42 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to the
anchor, it becomes a rode.
Bill

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:

You ain't seen much. First you do not use rope on an anchor.


According to whom???? Or do you only mean that rope shouldn't be
connected directly to the anchor?

I'd guess that 99% of small powerboat anchor lines are rope...and very
few of 'em have any chain between the anchor and the rode. Not that it
isn't a good idea...they just don't have any.

The major mistake many of 'em make is in just tying the line onto the
anchor with a unidentifiable mess that doesn't even come close to
resembling any recognized knot instead of using a thimble and a shackle.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1




Calif Bill May 18th 04 06:45 PM

What anchor should I buy?
 
At least I get to water.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
billie, you spend too much time in the bathtub playing with the "ducky"

and not
enough time on the water.

Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.

in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor

ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to the
mushroom and drop it overboard.


You ain't seen much. First you do not use rope on an anchor. And if

there
is wind, on a lake, you want the chain to help get the anchor to set.

Try
Okeechobee. I bet the wind can blow bit time there.














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