John Gaquin wrote:

Where did all the posts go??? A week ago we had all the usual suspects
ranting on about how base and despicable the President, the government, the
Nation, and most of the people are because seven American soldiers depanted
some Iraqis and photographed them.


Maybe everyone agrees. One thing is certain...more details of the
tortures are coming to light and more than seven soldiers were involved.
Oh...and the soldiers did a tad more than pull frat hazing pranks on
prisoners.


Now we've got naught but a few desultory comments about the hacking off of
Nick Berg's head on camera. For those who needed the reminder, the masked
marvels on tape have shown our country exactly the type of people we are
fighting. [I can't think of any group in history who felt the need to hide
their faces and still enjoyed any ethical regard from civilized nations.]

There are many ways to hide one's face when one is killing civilians.
One is to drop cluster bombs from a mile up in sky where no one can see
your face. No need for a hood, eh? Oh...I know...if any of those bombs
killed innocent civilians, well, we're sorry.



Where's the fury? All the anti-Bush folk were choking on righteous
indignation at the humiliation of a few terrorists, but sound not a burp at
the animalistic slaughter of an unconnected civilian US citizen. Then Harry
comes up with that sophomoric drivel that it really isn't that bad because
you still wind up dead.


Yet another attempt to take my simple expository writing and turn it
into something I did not says. What I said was that from the point of
view of the victim, the result was the same...death. We have a long
history in THIS country ov violently killing people we don't like, and
that is true from the federal government on down to lynching parties. In
fact, a few years ago, some asswipe governor of Texas was making jokes
about the last pleading moments of a woman he allowed to be executed.



What the hell is wrong with you people? Like the
medieval barbarians on the videotape, you have now shown your true colors
for all to see. Worthless garbage, every one.


And, don't forget, a direct result of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld policies in
Iraq. It is foolish to think that those with an entirely different
culture will respond the way Christian America does, by simply bombing
from above and lobbing in shells from tanks.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, eh?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Yet another attempt to take my simple expository writing and turn it
into something I did not says. What I said was that from the point of
view of the victim, the result was the same...death. We have a long
history in THIS country ov violently killing people we don't like, and
that is true from the federal government on down to lynching parties. In
fact, a few years ago, some asswipe governor of Texas was making jokes
about the last pleading moments of a woman he allowed to be executed.


You can make any effort you want to explain away what you put in print.
Nothing changes, for any of you. By your words and by your silence the truth
becomes known. The mist dissolves and the face becomes clear. You, Doug,
asskisser, et al -- show more concern for discommoded terrorists than for a
fellow citizen being hacked to death merely for effect.

John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Yet another attempt to take my simple expository writing and turn it
into something I did not says. What I said was that from the point of
view of the victim, the result was the same...death. We have a long
history in THIS country ov violently killing people we don't like, and
that is true from the federal government on down to lynching parties. In
fact, a few years ago, some asswipe governor of Texas was making jokes
about the last pleading moments of a woman he allowed to be executed.



You can make any effort you want to explain away what you put in print.
Nothing changes, for any of you. By your words and by your silence the truth
becomes known. The mist dissolves and the face becomes clear. You, Doug,
asskisser, et al -- show more concern for discommoded terrorists than for a
fellow citizen being hacked to death merely for effect.


Bull****.

The behavior of our soldiers in those prisons has gone a long way
towards putting us down at the level of those we're supposed to be
opposing. My guess is the prison torture story not only has legs, it is
far more of them than we - or congress - have seen so far. And those
people being held in those prisons were not just inconvenienced, as you
claim. They were brutalized.

As for Berg, he surely did not deserve being executed. He also was in a
place he should't have been, and he was warned several times to get the
hell out of Iraq. Or so our government claims.

This entire mess - all of it, every bit of it - is the fault of George
W. Bush and his neoconvict advisers. Bush has made a bad situation worse.

And what about those oil prices...who is making the money there...his
supporters in big oil? Halliburton? Bush's buddies in the terrorist
state of Saudi Arabia?

We've got a summer of interesting disclosures ahead. Bush will be
paddling furiously to avoid going over the falls.

Since the majority of these soldiers were trained while Bill Clinton was in
office, if you use your logic, Bill Clinton is to blame. Since the Generals
were probably trained while Carter was in office, let's blame Carter for the
Generals not being on top of things. ; )




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Yet another attempt to take my simple expository writing and turn it
into something I did not says. What I said was that from the point of
view of the victim, the result was the same...death. We have a long
history in THIS country ov violently killing people we don't like, and
that is true from the federal government on down to lynching parties. In
fact, a few years ago, some asswipe governor of Texas was making jokes
about the last pleading moments of a woman he allowed to be executed.



You can make any effort you want to explain away what you put in print.
Nothing changes, for any of you. By your words and by your silence the
truth
becomes known. The mist dissolves and the face becomes clear. You,
Doug,
asskisser, et al -- show more concern for discommoded terrorists than
for a
fellow citizen being hacked to death merely for effect.


Bull****.

The behavior of our soldiers in those prisons has gone a long way
towards putting us down at the level of those we're supposed to be
opposing. My guess is the prison torture story not only has legs, it is
far more of them than we - or congress - have seen so far. And those
people being held in those prisons were not just inconvenienced, as you
claim. They were brutalized.

As for Berg, he surely did not deserve being executed. He also was in a
place he should't have been, and he was warned several times to get the
hell out of Iraq. Or so our government claims.

This entire mess - all of it, every bit of it - is the fault of George
W. Bush and his neoconvict advisers. Bush has made a bad situation worse.

And what about those oil prices...who is making the money there...his
supporters in big oil? Halliburton? Bush's buddies in the terrorist
state of Saudi Arabia?

We've got a summer of interesting disclosures ahead. Bush will be
paddling furiously to avoid going over the falls.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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The behavior of our soldiers in those prisons has gone a long way
towards putting us down at the level

Cram that where the sun don't shine. The so-called "Arab street" doesn't
give two ****s about the abu Ghraib photos, because that's exactly what they
expect to happen in a prison. You can't **** this away anymore, Harry.
You've shown where your loyalties and preferences lie. You are actively
working against the best interests of the US.

... My guess is the prison torture story .....

There has been no documented torture, only allegations. The only documented
events involve a rape at Camp Bucca last May, and piles of naked terrorists.
Every allegation of torture so far has come from -- an Iraqi prisoner!!!
Imagine that!! Taguba considered them credible for God only knows what
reason.

He also was in a
place he should't have been, and he was warned several times to get the
hell out of Iraq. Or so our government claims.

Well, it is clearly his own fault that his head got hacked off, on camera.
Happens all the time.


This entire mess - all of it, every bit of it - is the fault of George
W. Bush and his neoconvict advisers.

Well, is it Bush's fault, or Berg's? Make up your mind! Pick someone,
because it surely isn't Zarqawi's fault. God knows, we can't blame the
f..ing Arab! Probably had a "deprived childhood", you know.

And what about those oil prices...who is making the money there...his
supporters in big oil? Halliburton? Bush's buddies in the terrorist
state of Saudi Arabia?

Oh, just shut up! Its all about oil? How f...ing dumb can you get? Your
junior high school rationales are nothing but tripe, pumped out by your left
wing pals and targeted at 2-digit IQs. I suppose it should tell us all
something that you so readily buy into all the ****. You're believing your
own press releases. God knows I've tried several times to give you the
benefit of the doubt, but you've now proven me inarguably wrong -- you are,
in fact, every bit as galactically senseless as you seem to be.

Hey Harry

Looks like your 2-digit IQ target took the bait.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Your
junior high school rationales are nothing but tripe, pumped out by your
left
wing pals and targeted at 2-digit IQs.

wrote in message news:UGToc.4827

Looks like your 2-digit IQ target took the bait.

Christ, another 4th grade wit.

wrote:

Hey Harry

Looks like your 2-digit IQ target took the bait.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Your
junior high school rationales are nothing but tripe, pumped out by your

left

wing pals and targeted at 2-digit IQs.





Yes, Gawkin' swallowed the treble hooks.

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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The behavior of our soldiers in those prisons has gone a long way
towards putting us down at the level


Cram that where the sun don't shine. The so-called "Arab street" doesn't
give two ****s about the abu Ghraib photos, because that's exactly what they
expect to happen in a prison. You can't **** this away anymore, Harry.
You've shown where your loyalties and preferences lie. You are actively
working against the best interests of the US.



Because I don't buy into your right-wing rationalizations?


... My guess is the prison torture story .....

There has been no documented torture, only allegations. The only documented
events involve a rape at Camp Bucca last May, and piles of naked terrorists.
Every allegation of torture so far has come from -- an Iraqi prisoner!!!
Imagine that!! Taguba considered them credible for God only knows what
reason.



Right...the whole thing is made up. And Rush thinks whatever happened,
it was ok.



He also was in a
place he should't have been, and he was warned several times to get the
hell out of Iraq. Or so our government claims.


Well, it is clearly his own fault that his head got hacked off, on camera.
Happens all the time.


No, but anyone with a working brain would have stayed the hell away from
Iraq. Especially a free-lance.






This entire mess - all of it, every bit of it - is the fault of George
W. Bush and his neoconvict advisers.


Well, is it Bush's fault, or Berg's? Make up your mind! Pick someone,
because it surely isn't Zarqawi's fault. God knows, we can't blame the
f..ing Arab! Probably had a "deprived childhood", you know.


The buck stops on Bush's desk. He decided to make war on Iraq.

And what about those oil prices...who is making the money there...his

supporters in big oil? Halliburton? Bush's buddies in the terrorist
state of Saudi Arabia?


Oh, just shut up! Its all about oil? How f...ing dumb can you get? Your
junior high school rationales are nothing but tripe, pumped out by your left
wing pals and targeted at 2-digit IQs. I suppose it should tell us all
something that you so readily buy into all the ****. You're believing your
own press releases. God knows I've tried several times to give you the
benefit of the doubt, but you've now proven me inarguably wrong -- you are,
in fact, every bit as galactically senseless as you seem to be.


Check the price of oil lately, Gawkin?

BTW, you seem to be a bit overwhelmed by your own "rightness."



I suggest you get yourself a large package of BEANO; you are so full of
noxious gas, you might explode at any minute.

Whatever you do, don't strike a match...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Because I don't buy into your right-wing rationalizations?

No, because you never pass up an opportunity to denigrate those who serve,
or insult the country in some contrived way.



Right...the whole thing is made up.

I didn't say that. I said there was no documented torture. Buy yourself a
High-School level debating text. You need to upgrade your amateur
rhetorical skills.




No, but anyone with a working brain would have stayed the hell away from
Iraq.

Don't judge everyone by youself. Not everyone cowers when faced with
danger.



The buck stops on Bush's desk. He decided to make war on Iraq.

No, this buck stops on Zarqawi's desk. Or rock, or dirt spot, as the case
may be.



BTW, you seem to be a bit overwhelmed by your own "rightness."

Not even close. I'm right more often than I'm wrong, but I make no claim to
omniscience. What I find overwhelming is how any person can be more
concerned over the comfort of our terrorist enemies than they are over the
barbaric actions of those enemies. That's what has been in evidence on this
NG over the last several days, and it's disturbing.