"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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How much you wanna bet the deal goes through, and your moron president
announces a short list of absurd reasons why it's a great idea?

The only way that the deal won't go through is if China refuses to budge on
the currency stalemate. *If* the deal goes through, the real reasons won't
be made public.

China is being pressured to float it's currency. If the deal goes through,
China will miraculously relent on the currency issue, and finally let their
currency float...which would help America's economy in the long run.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:24:25 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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How much you wanna bet the deal goes through, and your moron president
announces a short list of absurd reasons why it's a great idea?

The only way that the deal won't go through is if China refuses to budge
on the currency stalemate. *If* the deal goes through, the real reasons
won't be made public.

Frankly, I'm not sure the deal can be legally stopped. While there will
be a CFIUS review, it is unlikely that the UNOCAL deal will meet it's
guidelines for denial.

http://www.treas.gov/offices/interna...s/exon-florio/

China is being pressured to float it's currency. If the deal goes
through, China will miraculously relent on the currency issue, and finally
let their currency float...which would help America's economy in the long
run.

Doubtful. China has already stated it will re-peg it's yuan from it's
8.28 level, "in it's own time", but to float the yuan, very doubtful.
China hasn't a history of responding to outside pressures, and with an
over $100 billion trade surplus with the US, UNOCAL at $18 billion, is
small potatoes.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:24:25 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
How much you wanna bet the deal goes through, and your moron president
announces a short list of absurd reasons why it's a great idea?

The only way that the deal won't go through is if China refuses to budge
on the currency stalemate. *If* the deal goes through, the real reasons
won't be made public.

Frankly, I'm not sure the deal can be legally stopped. While there will
be a CFIUS review, it is unlikely that the UNOCAL deal will meet it's
guidelines for denial.

http://www.treas.gov/offices/interna...s/exon-florio/

" Factors To Be Considered. The Exon-Florio provision lists the following
factors that the President or his designee may consider in determining the
effects of a foreign acquisition on national security. These factors a
(snip)

(3) the control of domestic industries and commercial activity by foreign
citizens as it affects the capability and capacity of the U.S. to meet the
requirements of national security; "

Bush went to war with Iraq over the threat to our oil supply, so that should
show how serious he takes any threats to US oil supply.

You don't think he'll see CNOOC's control of a US oil company as something
that potentially "affects the capability and capacity of the U.S. to meet
the requirements of national security"? I do.





China is being pressured to float it's currency. If the deal goes
through, China will miraculously relent on the currency issue, and
finally
let their currency float...which would help America's economy in the long
run.

Doubtful. China has already stated it will re-peg it's yuan from it's
8.28 level, "in it's own time", but to float the yuan, very doubtful.
China hasn't a history of responding to outside pressures,

I don't think approval of the UNOCAL deal is enough bargaining power to get
the Chinese to float their currency...but it will at least provide a veil
for both sides to meet under and discuss the currency impasse.


and with an
over $100 billion trade surplus with the US, UNOCAL at $18 billion, is
small potatoes.

Much of the trade surplus is because their currency is pegged. The Chinese
are starting to **** off Europe, Japan, and Canada...who, combined, do as
much trade or more with China than we do. China has no choice but to relent
on this issue, or face harsh tariffs all over the place.

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

Bush went to war with Iraq over the threat to our oil supply, so that
should show how serious he takes any threats to US oil supply.

A breath of fresh air! You're finally admitting that the skank lied to this
country. You get extra cookies today.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

Bush went to war with Iraq over the threat to our oil supply, so that
should show how serious he takes any threats to US oil supply.

A breath of fresh air! You're finally admitting that the skank lied to
this country. You get extra cookies today.

Where were my cookies 2 years ago when I said that oil was a major factor?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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megabite wrote:
OK! He lied. So What!....There is nothing you or anyone else is
going to
do
about it.

It's important to note, I believe, that while Bill Clinton lied
about
meaningless sex acts, Dubya the Doof lies about really important
stuff...and gets away with it. Bush had about a half dozen reasons
for
invading Iraq, or so he said, and now each of those reasons is being
discarded.


Why did Bush invade Iraq?


To pump up his ratings and to provide a pay-off for his political
friends



...you forgot to mention that, strategically, there's not a better
country
to occupy while we reshape the Middle East. Geographically, it
provides a
perfect launching pad for attacks against terrorist groups in Syria,
Iran,
and Saudi Arabia. Conveniently, it also happens to have the World's
second
largest (some might even say *largest*) oil reserves.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

Bush went to war with Iraq over the threat to our oil supply, so that
should show how serious he takes any threats to US oil supply.

A breath of fresh air! You're finally admitting that the skank lied to
this country. You get extra cookies today.

Where were my cookies 2 years ago when I said that oil was a major factor?

Two years ago, you were still backing up the childish reasons he was feeding
half the country (the morons who need pablum 3 meals per day, and voted for
him). Now, you're suggesting that if he were asked for the real reason
during a press conference, he might come right out and say "Oil. Period".

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...


Bush went to war with Iraq over the threat to our oil supply, so that
should show how serious he takes any threats to US oil supply.


There is no evidence that President Bush takes anything seriously except
playing golf... in video games, not for real...

A breath of fresh air! You're finally admitting that the skank lied to
this country. You get extra cookies today.

Where were my cookies 2 years ago when I said that oil was a major factor?



Doug Kanter wrote:
Two years ago, you were still backing up the childish reasons he was feeding
half the country (the morons who need pablum 3 meals per day, and voted for
him). Now, you're suggesting that if he were asked for the real reason
during a press conference, he might come right out and say "Oil. Period".


And please note that in quoting his own post, saying that oils was the
reason, he did NOT put oil as the first reason. And his other reasons,
such as using Iraq as a base for launching attacks against Iran and/or
Syria, have proven to be pipe dreams. Also notice that NOBBY (along with
his Krause-obsessed claque of fascist pea-brains) has *never*
acknowledged the basic fact that there were never WMDs and no ties to
Sept 11th.

It will be interesting to see what President Bush has to say in trying
to rally support for his Iraq war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4631339.stm

Cheney got the horse laugh a while back when he claimed 'the insurgency
is on it's last legs' and was immediately contradicted by the CIA,
Pentagon, State, etc etc. Since it looks like about 40% of the public
will swallow *any* lie from Bush, no matter how ridiculous, one wonders
why he's even trying.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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one wonders why he's even trying.

DSK


Because the idiot thinks a "poll" is what you tie your dog to in the yard.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

Bush went to war with Iraq over the threat to our oil supply, so that
should show how serious he takes any threats to US oil supply.

A breath of fresh air! You're finally admitting that the skank lied to
this country. You get extra cookies today.

Where were my cookies 2 years ago when I said that oil was a major
factor?

Two years ago, you were still backing up the childish reasons he was
feeding half the country (the morons who need pablum 3 meals per day, and
voted for him). Now, you're suggesting that if he were asked for the real
reason during a press conference, he might come right out and say "Oil.
Period".

But it's not "oil. Period". It's oil...and a whole list of other reasons.
But oil is the biggie.

... Now, you're suggesting that if he were asked for the real
reason during a press conference, he might come right out and say "Oil.
Period".


NOYB wrote:
But it's not "oil. Period". It's oil...and a whole list of other reasons.
But oil is the biggie.


If that's the case, then why all the smokescreen about using Iraq as a
strategic base, keeping terrorists at arm's length, and of course WMDs?

We both know the reason, I'm just curious as to whether or not you can
admit it publicly.

DSK