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How much did SeaRay pay you for this fluff review?

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I pick up my new 55-footer tomorrow.

Seriously, JimH, I don't get paid a dime by Sea Ray or any other
manufacturer.

And if you'll notice, it's not a review. It's a description, along some
personal observations, opinions, and impressions. There's no claim that
we measured any sort of performance or got underway in the boat- as we
did neither.

This may come as a real shock to you, but discussing boats and
comparing impressions and opinions about boats (rather than bitchily
harpooning personalities at every turn) is supposed to be what a
boating newsgroup is all about.

So what were the downsides of the boat and why did you not mention them in
your fluff article? Surely there had to be some.

Too bad for you, of course, as you have
demonstrated little knowledge about boats or boating and the very best
of your extremely rare on-topic advice recently- to a guy trying to
figure out if $1500 was too much to pay for a nearly 30 year old boat,
motor, and trailer in running condition- was to "look it up in NADA."
I'm still grinning over that one.

Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to 20
years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my advice. I
am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you definitely
have a leg up on me.

I have over 25 years of boating and boat ownership on the Great Lakes. If
you have a problem with my knowledge of boats and boating, tough ****
Chuckie.

BTW: My recent *on topic* posts far exceed yours. You have also started
far more *off topic* posts. Want to bet on that Chuck or will you retract
your statement?

Grin away Chuck.



I know how much it p's you off when somebody posts on topic. Sorry.

grin Grasping at straws...



But here, please, redeem yourself:

If you disagree with my opinions, impressions, or description of the
Sea Ray 200 Select
please respond with your specific comments related to that boat. ("I
think you're an asshole" won't count). Thanks.


I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some
positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being paid
big bucks to write a fluff article about it.

But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so.

You on the other hand................

BTW: Do you wear gold chains and a speedo Chuck?

wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club.

Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All
owned
by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at

me"....I own a go fast SeaRay.


How funny.

***************

So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do
you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and
expressed opinions, or is your main objection
to this boat- LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative
personal impressions you have formed of people who own one?

No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray
owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one
of them owns a boat- and you don't.

Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not
personalities, if you can.

wrote in message
oups.com...
JimH wrote:

Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club.

Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All
owned
by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at

me"....I own a go fast SeaRay.


How funny.

***************

So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do
you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and
expressed opinions, or is your main objection
to this boat-

As I said I have no knowledge of the boat but do find it strange that you
had no negative comments about it. All boats have good and bad
points....you choose, however, to misdirect the buying public by publishing
only positive fluff.

I know for a fact that SeaRay took a downturn in 1990 when the Brunswick
purchase took grasp of their design and construction quality. Do you argue
that?


LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative
personal impressions you have formed of people who own one?

Another personal attack...a sure sign you are losing this discussion.



No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray
owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one
of them owns a boat- and you don't.

Come on Chuck. You are really reaching bottom.



Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not
personalities, if you can.


In recent months I have more on topic post than you do Chuck. You also have
more off topic posts than I do. Want to bet those facts Chuck?

Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to
20
years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my
advice. I
am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you
definitely
have a leg up on me.

*********
You still don't get it. That's even funnier. There's no meaningful
"book value" on a 30 year old boat. The value of a boat like that is
going to be whatever two people agree that it is. There's not much risk
of seriously overpaying for a boat reported in fair or better condition
that floats and runs at $1500. If you knew about boats, you'd know
that. You ought to keep your mouth shut rather than dispense goofy
advice.

Your "25 years of boating experience" sounds more like 90-days
experience repeated 100 times.

******************

JimH wrote:


I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some

positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being
paid
big bucks to write a fluff article about it.

But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so.


You on the other hand................

**********

So let's get this straight:

You admit you have never been aboard the boat, but you are sure that my
description is so inaccurate that it indicates a lack of basic
morality?

Tell us about your morality: Does it involve arriving at conclusions
about people and statements
without any evidence what-so-ever (as you admit to doing above)? Does
it involve posting endless personal attacks against perfect strangers?
Where did you learn this moral code?

You continue to claim the honor of being among the leading "on-topic"
posters here.
Google is not your friend, at all, in that regard. 90% of your crap is
dedicated to personal attack. Look yourself up and see. The only people
you're fooling with your claim are folks who don't follow your endless
spew of anti-Gould, anti-Krause, anti- (insert names here) drivel.

So, unless you can post something actually related to the boat, your
negative opinion of the boat and your assertion that my description is
"immoral" isn't based on any knowledge of the boat, but rather on your
silly stereotype of Sea Ray owners and your hatred for most of the rest
of mankind (including yours truly). Right?

If you had any reason to hang around a marina, you'd soon meet some Sea
Ray owners and you would know how foolish your stereotype sounds. Most
bashers betray only their own ignorance, rather than any real knowledge
about a product. If you had any shame, you would be embarrassed.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to
20
years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my
advice. I
am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you
definitely
have a leg up on me.

*********
You still don't get it. That's even funnier. There's no meaningful
"book value" on a 30 year old boat. The value of a boat like that is
going to be whatever two people agree that it is. There's not much risk
of seriously overpaying for a boat reported in fair or better condition
that floats and runs at $1500. If you knew about boats, you'd know
that. You ought to keep your mouth shut rather than dispense goofy
advice.



Fine. You are the only one arguing that fact to give you some sort of
credibility.



Your "25 years of boating experience" sounds more like 90-days
experience repeated 100 times.



More persona attacks Chuck. Apparently you lost this discussion by doing
so.



******************

JimH wrote:


I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some

positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being
paid
big bucks to write a fluff article about it.

But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so.


You on the other hand................

**********

So let's get this straight:

You admit you have never been aboard the boat, but you are sure that my
description is so inaccurate that it indicates a lack of basic
morality?

Yep. All boats have flaws. You never describe them in your fluff reviews.
A lack of morals...accepting payments from the man to keep it
positive.......yep.



Tell us about your morality: Does it involve arriving at conclusions
about people and statements
without any evidence what-so-ever (as you admit to doing above)? Does
it involve posting endless personal attacks against perfect strangers?
Where did you learn this moral code?

You continue to claim the honor of being among the leading "on-topic"
posters here.
Google is not your friend, at all, in that regard. 90% of your crap is
dedicated to personal attack. Look yourself up and see. The only people
you're fooling with your claim are folks who don't follow your endless
spew of anti-Gould, anti-Krause, anti- (insert names here) drivel.

I believe you are second to Krause on Off Topic posts, somewhere in the
neighborhood of 10,000+.

Now if you can dispute that, in recent months. my on topic posts are
greater than yours please do so. You have relied on century old data.



So, unless you can post something actually related to the boat, your
negative opinion of the boat and your assertion that my description is
"immoral" isn't based on any knowledge of the boat, but rather on your
silly stereotype of Sea Ray owners and your hatred for most of the rest
of mankind (including yours truly). Right?

If you had any reason to hang around a marina, you'd soon meet some Sea
Ray owners and you would know how foolish your stereotype sounds. Most
bashers betray only their own ignorance, rather than any real knowledge
about a product. If you had any shame, you would be embarrass

I have spend many nights at my marinas and have seen many owners of newer
(post 189) SeaRays.

My impression:

1. They generally knew nothing about boats and boat quality (construction
wise) or value

2. They purchased on name recognition.

Your "look at me I own a Searay" review does nothing to negate that.

Have a good night Chuck.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
JimH wrote:

Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club.

Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All
owned
by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at

me"....I own a go fast SeaRay.


How funny.

***************

So here's your chance to demonstrate your vast boating knowledge. Do
you have anything factual to offer to counter my description and
expressed opinions, or is your main objection
to this boat-

As I said I have no knowledge of the boat but do find it strange that you
had no negative comments about it. All boats have good and bad
points....you choose, however, to misdirect the buying public by
publishing only positive fluff.

I know for a fact that SeaRay took a downturn in 1990 when the Brunswick
purchase took grasp of their design and construction quality. Do you
argue that?


LIKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE- centered on the negative
personal impressions you have formed of people who own one?

Another personal attack...a sure sign you are losing this discussion.



No matter how derisively you care to paint the stereotype of Sea Ray
owners, you'll never really come to grips with the fact that every one
of them owns a boat- and you don't.

Come on Chuck. You are really reaching bottom.



Surprise us just once JimH. Just once, talk boats and not
personalities, if you can.


In recent months I have more on topic post than you do Chuck. You also
have more off topic posts than I do. Want to bet those facts Chuck?


Silence.

How telling.

Silence.

How telling.


**********

Yeah, I went down to the boat for a couple of hours, enjoyed a nice
dinner and a Guinness.

Tough for you to imagine, being boatless and all.

On 17 Jun 2005 17:25:01 -0700, wrote:


Nice write up, but no rod holders!


*************************


It's about going fast, looking good, and having fun.

So- find yourself a "fast" lady, who looks good, and get her to hold
your rod. You'll surely have a lot of fun.

Don't want no fast lady holdin' my rod in one hand and a bait-cuttin' Rapala in
the other!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:01:31 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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Nice write up, but no rod holders!


*************************


It's about going fast, looking good, and having fun.


Wow, a member of the "I own a SeaRay...look at me" club.

Gold chain holders......gold trim....fast boats...poor quality. All owned
by fat old farts with gold chains and with severe shrinkage...."look at
me"....I own a go fast SeaRay.

How funny.




Have you, at last, no shame? You and your compadres add nothing of
value, ever, to this newsgroup, to discussions of boats, fishing,
boating topics, politics, anything. None of you can write anything
original worth the read, and all you do is gripe about those who try.

Go get laid. Or something. Maybe Karen Smith will do you. Or maybe
Smithers in one of his female IDs here will.

You're really pathetic.

You don't have a boat, your boy Smithers doesn't have a boat, and I
doubt any of the other members of your pointy-headed klan have a boat,
either, with the exception of Herring.

Find yourself a newsgroup of losers, and take your bullyboys with you.
All of them.

Harry, Harry, Harry! You're losing your serenity over comments by JimH! Don't
let them get to you. Remember, he's simply doing what you started many years
ago. Except, he does it better and no one doubts his word.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Chuck, great write up, I really enjoy it. Its a shame that others has to
flame write ups like this. My dad use to tell me that people who has to find
anything to complain about are usually not happy with there life. Chuck, as
always I enjoy your writings and I had a chance to ride in my old boss sea
ray, it was a very fast and very nice looking boat. Thanks Again

Ed
"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Where did I say that $1,500 was too much to pay? The boat was close to
20
years old and for all I knew it had a value of $1,000....thus my
advice. I
am not nor ever have been a used boat salesmen. You have so you
definitely
have a leg up on me.

*********
You still don't get it. That's even funnier. There's no meaningful
"book value" on a 30 year old boat. The value of a boat like that is
going to be whatever two people agree that it is. There's not much risk
of seriously overpaying for a boat reported in fair or better condition
that floats and runs at $1500. If you knew about boats, you'd know
that. You ought to keep your mouth shut rather than dispense goofy
advice.



Fine. You are the only one arguing that fact to give you some sort of
credibility.



Your "25 years of boating experience" sounds more like 90-days
experience repeated 100 times.



More persona attacks Chuck. Apparently you lost this discussion by doing
so.



******************

JimH wrote:


I have never been on that boat but if I did I am sure I would find some

positives and some negatives about it...unless of course I was being
paid
big bucks to write a fluff article about it.

But hell, I have morals and would never be paid off to do so.


You on the other hand................

**********

So let's get this straight:

You admit you have never been aboard the boat, but you are sure that my
description is so inaccurate that it indicates a lack of basic
morality?

Yep. All boats have flaws. You never describe them in your fluff
reviews. A lack of morals...accepting payments from the man to keep it
positive.......yep.



Tell us about your morality: Does it involve arriving at conclusions
about people and statements
without any evidence what-so-ever (as you admit to doing above)? Does
it involve posting endless personal attacks against perfect strangers?
Where did you learn this moral code?

You continue to claim the honor of being among the leading "on-topic"
posters here.
Google is not your friend, at all, in that regard. 90% of your crap is
dedicated to personal attack. Look yourself up and see. The only people
you're fooling with your claim are folks who don't follow your endless
spew of anti-Gould, anti-Krause, anti- (insert names here) drivel.

I believe you are second to Krause on Off Topic posts, somewhere in the
neighborhood of 10,000+.

Now if you can dispute that, in recent months. my on topic posts are
greater than yours please do so. You have relied on century old data.



So, unless you can post something actually related to the boat, your
negative opinion of the boat and your assertion that my description is
"immoral" isn't based on any knowledge of the boat, but rather on your
silly stereotype of Sea Ray owners and your hatred for most of the rest
of mankind (including yours truly). Right?

If you had any reason to hang around a marina, you'd soon meet some Sea
Ray owners and you would know how foolish your stereotype sounds. Most
bashers betray only their own ignorance, rather than any real knowledge
about a product. If you had any shame, you would be embarrass

I have spend many nights at my marinas and have seen many owners of newer
(post 189) SeaRays.

My impression:

1. They generally knew nothing about boats and boat quality (construction
wise) or value

2. They purchased on name recognition.

Your "look at me I own a Searay" review does nothing to negate that.

Have a good night Chuck.