Bub wrote:
Speed and waterline and blah, blah ,blah is whats in the catalog, period. I
started paddling a Necky Santa Cruz 12" boat 3 years ago. Now at 53 I have
switched to a lightening fast Necky Zoar. Is it as fast as a 17' 21 wide
kevlar boat? On paper NO. I my hands its faster because I'd spend most of
the time upsidedown in the kevlar boat. Speed is relative to the person
paddling and what they like and are comfortable with. If you want a 13 or
14' boat and it suits your needs, who cares how *fast* it is. One of you
young sprouts got probably paddle a Pungo faster then I can paddle anything.
But I like my boat best.
I think you should get the Necky mainly because we have 5 of them and we
like them a lot, personal preference. Works for me.
Bub

Thanks! The Necky Zoar is another option...

Take a long look at the necky Zoar Sport. 14 foot boat w/rudder well made
and stable. A little more boat then the Manitou. At $999 w/rudder, its not
bad.
Bub

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Bub wrote:
Speed and waterline and blah, blah ,blah is whats in the catalog,
period. I
started paddling a Necky Santa Cruz 12" boat 3 years ago. Now at 53 I
have
switched to a lightening fast Necky Zoar. Is it as fast as a 17' 21 wide
kevlar boat? On paper NO. I my hands its faster because I'd spend most
of
the time upsidedown in the kevlar boat. Speed is relative to the person
paddling and what they like and are comfortable with. If you want a 13
or
14' boat and it suits your needs, who cares how *fast* it is. One of you
young sprouts got probably paddle a Pungo faster then I can paddle
anything.
But I like my boat best.
I think you should get the Necky mainly because we have 5 of them and we
like them a lot, personal preference. Works for me.
Bub

Thanks! The Necky Zoar is another option...

"Bub" wrote in message
news:LUdse.19405$gL4.18313@trnddc07...
Take a long look at the necky Zoar Sport. 14 foot boat w/rudder well made
and stable. A little more boat then the Manitou. At $999 w/rudder, its not
bad.
Bub

It is a bit of a bathtub though :-)

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Bub wrote:
Speed and waterline and blah, blah ,blah is whats in the catalog,
period. I
started paddling a Necky Santa Cruz 12" boat 3 years ago. Now at 53 I
have
switched to a lightening fast Necky Zoar. Is it as fast as a 17' 21
wide
kevlar boat? On paper NO. I my hands its faster because I'd spend most
of
the time upsidedown in the kevlar boat. Speed is relative to the person
paddling and what they like and are comfortable with. If you want a 13
or
14' boat and it suits your needs, who cares how *fast* it is. One of
you
young sprouts got probably paddle a Pungo faster then I can paddle
anything.
But I like my boat best.
I think you should get the Necky mainly because we have 5 of them and
we
like them a lot, personal preference. Works for me.
Bub

Thanks! The Necky Zoar is another option...

Keenan & Julie wrote:
"Bub" wrote in message
news:LUdse.19405$gL4.18313@trnddc07...
Take a long look at the necky Zoar Sport. 14 foot boat w/rudder well made
and stable. A little more boat then the Manitou. At $999 w/rudder, its not
bad.
Bub

It is a bit of a bathtub though :-)



Don't pay attention. It's only envy...

Bub wrote:
Take a long look at the necky Zoar Sport. 14 foot boat w/rudder well made
and stable. A little more boat then the Manitou. At $999 w/rudder, its not
bad.
Bub


Thanks!

Two questions: Can the padding be removed from the seat? and, Do you
get to use the rudder/keg or is it a nuisance?

I'll quote something...

'The Zoar Sport is a brilliant little boat. At 14' it is a touring boat
rather than a true sea kayak but I have found with mine that: 1) it
handles very well on fla****er, keeping close to the longer, "faster"
boats; 2) it handles extremely well in surf (force five conditions); 3)
it is solid and durable; and above all 4) it is a comfortable fit (I am
6'4" 240 lbs). Great boat.'

"donquijote1954" wrote in
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Bub wrote:
Take a long look at the necky Zoar Sport. 14 foot boat w/rudder well
made and stable. A little more boat then the Manitou. At $999
w/rudder, its not bad. Bub


Thanks!

Two questions: Can the padding be removed from the seat? and, Do you
get to use the rudder/keg or is it a nuisance?

I'll quote something...

'The Zoar Sport is a brilliant little boat. At 14' it is a touring boat
rather than a true sea kayak but I have found with mine that: 1) it
handles very well on fla****er, keeping close to the longer, "faster"
boats; 2) it handles extremely well in surf (force five conditions); 3)
it is solid and durable; and above all 4) it is a comfortable fit (I am
6'4" 240 lbs). Great boat.'

Let me guess...you found that on paddling.net. Look at just about any boat
you'll find in the reviews section and you'll find similar praise. I once
read reviews on several dozen boats and most of them were from people that
owned the boat. There is a very strong positive bias there and in some
cases just plain misleading information.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Can the padding be removed from the seat?

I use a rudder if its windy,10 mph or more, otherwise no, don't need it.
I think you could get along in the Zoar with a skeg just as well.

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Bub wrote:
Take a long look at the necky Zoar Sport. 14 foot boat w/rudder well
made
and stable. A little more boat then the Manitou. At $999 w/rudder, its
not
bad.
Bub


Thanks!

Two questions: Can the padding be removed from the seat? and, Do you
get to use the rudder/keg or is it a nuisance?

I'll quote something...

'The Zoar Sport is a brilliant little boat. At 14' it is a touring boat
rather than a true sea kayak but I have found with mine that: 1) it
handles very well on fla****er, keeping close to the longer, "faster"
boats; 2) it handles extremely well in surf (force five conditions); 3)
it is solid and durable; and above all 4) it is a comfortable fit (I am
6'4" 240 lbs). Great boat.'

Bub wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by "Can the padding be removed from the seat?

I use a rudder if its windy,10 mph or more, otherwise no, don't need it.
I think you could get along in the Zoar with a skeg just as well.


Thanks. I thought the rudder/skeg may be unnecessary in a kayak of that
lenght.

I don't like any padding on the seat because of my peeing. Current
Designs, for example, doesn't have any.

Whatever you decide on read the reveiws at www.paddling.net and see what
owners have to say.
Bub
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Bub wrote:
Speed and waterline and blah, blah ,blah is whats in the catalog,
period. I
started paddling a Necky Santa Cruz 12" boat 3 years ago. Now at 53 I
have
switched to a lightening fast Necky Zoar. Is it as fast as a 17' 21 wide
kevlar boat? On paper NO. I my hands its faster because I'd spend most
of
the time upsidedown in the kevlar boat. Speed is relative to the person
paddling and what they like and are comfortable with. If you want a 13
or
14' boat and it suits your needs, who cares how *fast* it is. One of you
young sprouts got probably paddle a Pungo faster then I can paddle
anything.
But I like my boat best.
I think you should get the Necky mainly because we have 5 of them and we
like them a lot, personal preference. Works for me.
Bub

Thanks! The Necky Zoar is another option...