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What do I lose by having a shorter boat?
Hi there!
I'm considering a Necky Manitou (12'10") for light weight, seat, looks and price, but I wonder, what would I lose in speed to, say, a Mainstream Biscayne (14'6")? I won't be going all out though, just keeping a medium pace for workout. Thanks! |
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On 14-Jun-2005, "donquijote1954" wrote:
I'm considering a Necky Manitou (12'10") for light weight, seat, looks and price, but I wonder, what would I lose in speed to, say, a Mainstream Biscayne (14'6")? Impossible to say. There are many factors that affect speed and overall length isn't one of them. I won't be going all out though, just keeping a medium pace for workout. If all you want is a workout, it doesn't matter how fast the kayak is. One hour of paddling is one hour of paddling regardless of what you paddle. Mike |
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"Michael Daly" wrote in message ... On 14-Jun-2005, "donquijote1954" wrote: I'm considering a Necky Manitou (12'10") for light weight, seat, looks and price, but I wonder, what would I lose in speed to, say, a Mainstream Biscayne (14'6")? Impossible to say. There are many factors that affect speed and overall length isn't one of them. ===================== That's not what I have always read. I've always thought that for boats with the same width and load, length is the determining factor on speed. http://gorp.away.com/gorp/publishers/ics/how_cano.htm http://www.evergreencanoe.com/canoe_design.html http://www.solarnavigator.net/hull_speed.htm I won't be going all out though, just keeping a medium pace for workout. If all you want is a workout, it doesn't matter how fast the kayak is. One hour of paddling is one hour of paddling regardless of what you paddle. Mike |
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That's what I read too. The question is how a recreational boat would
be slower than a touring boat of the same lenght. I read a bottom that makes for more initial stability also produces less speed. For example the Biscayne at 14'6" was rated a mere 3 out of 5 in speed when it was a Dagger Savannah... http://www.dagger.com/product.asp?Bo...C&BoatI D=135 Yet it's rated as fast by several reviewers... "Just bought a Savannah Expedition model. Love it -- fast, stable, tracks beautifully. Great fit for me. Paddle some rivers, some lakes, some of Great Lakes. When I demo'd 5 other boats the Savannah was the hands-down winner." http://www.paddling.net/Reviews/show....html?prod=483 |
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If it's a work out you want Mike is spot on.
As a rule of thumb , longer boats witgh the same displacement are generally faster. There are exceptions always. You may be swapping speed and tracking fonr initial stability. For scooting about a pond and a work out I am not sure it matters. Alex |
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OK, here I found some interesting comparison regarding speed...
"The speed I get from the Manitou is also good. Since I can't accurately factor for wind, current and waves, all I can do is give my honest opinion/comparison which is that at my average cruising/daypaddling speed of 3.2-3.8 mph, the effort is no different between the Manitou and the QCC. The manitou starts to need a bit more effort at my workout pace which is around 3.8-4.5. After around 4.5 mph the bow seems to plunge a bit. I never could quite get 5 mph to show on the GPS, but then I don't plan to race it, I just wanted to see if the manitou could keep up, and I think it does. For day paddling purposes, the Manitou performance, stability, and comfort is a 10." The QCC I believe are full size kayaks so go and figure. |
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On 14-Jun-2005, "donquijote1954" wrote: I read a bottom that makes for more initial stability also produces less speed. Take the book you read that in and toss it. There are a lot of misconceptions in canoeing and kayaking. Most seem to have to do with speed. You can't predict speed by looking at one geometric factor in a hull. Speed is a function of many factors. Mike |
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Michael Daly wrote
[...] Take the book you read that in and toss it. There are a lot of misconceptions in canoeing and kayaking. If I did that with all my canoeing books, most of those should be thrown away :-) But I admit that it really amazes me how most modern canoe books still repeat the same nonsense over and over an again. While there is so much really good information available. I understand there is a need to simplify in books, but it could be done a lot better IMNHO. |
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Never understood the "TRACKING"" thingy. If the paddler indeed knows how to
"paddle" any boat tracks well. White Water boats are made to spin on a dime, but track as good as anything else if proper paddling strokes are used. "donquijote1954" wrote in message oups.com... That's what I read too. The question is how a recreational boat would be slower than a touring boat of the same lenght. I read a bottom that makes for more initial stability also produces less speed. For example the Biscayne at 14'6" was rated a mere 3 out of 5 in speed when it was a Dagger Savannah... http://www.dagger.com/product.asp?Bo...DC&BoatI D=13 5 Yet it's rated as fast by several reviewers... "Just bought a Savannah Expedition model. Love it -- fast, stable, tracks beautifully. Great fit for me. Paddle some rivers, some lakes, some of Great Lakes. When I demo'd 5 other boats the Savannah was the hands-down winner." http://www.paddling.net/Reviews/show....html?prod=483 |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:32:07 -0400, "Grip" wrote:
Never understood the "TRACKING"" thingy. If the paddler indeed knows how to "paddle" any boat tracks well. White Water boats are made to spin on a dime, but track as good as anything else if proper paddling strokes are used. Yep. Loaned my buddy my recreational Old Town Otter one day while I paddled my Perception Dancer. He was amazed at how I made it track (and I'm not that good) compared to his friend who'd taken him out one day to paddle ww kayaks on flat water. I explained that I rarely did ww (none by choice any more) and had adapted to paddling flat. He thought I had a different kayak bottom than his friend had. Nope. It is harder to get used to paddling straight in a ww kayak, but not all that bad. And it's great for current and eddy lines in flat rivers. It's not quite as fast going downstream in one, but it's a bit faster going upstream. For me. I'm slow either way. I like to dawdle along slowly anyway. The best part of a keel in flat rivers is that you can do a cross current ferry with almost no paddling going downstream. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
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