I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I tracked
that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to the
trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes the
motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from the
negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the negative
to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor move up
and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT and
some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided that I
really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the relay
switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate some
assistance!

What kind of motor are you talking about??

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Fish4Fun" wrote in message
...
I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I tracked
that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to
the
trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes the
motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from the
negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the
negative
to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor move
up
and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT and
some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided that
I
really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the
relay
switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate
some
assistance!

Its a Johnson 140hp outboard

"WRH" wrote in message
news:yLDkc.36055$f_5.23360@lakeread01...
What kind of motor are you talking about??

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Fish4Fun" wrote in message
...
I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I
tracked
that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to
the
trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes
the
motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from
the
negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the
negative
to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor move
up
and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT
and
some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided
that
I
really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the
relay
switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate
some
assistance!

Your wiring diagram is on the way via email I hope it was a valid address,
let me know if you need more help

Mick
"Fish4Fun" wrote in message
...
I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I tracked
that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to
the
trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes the
motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from the
negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the
negative
to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor move
up
and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT and
some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided that
I
really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the
relay
switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate
some
assistance!

Fish4Fun wrote:

Its a Johnson 140hp outboard

"WRH" wrote in message
news:yLDkc.36055$f_5.23360@lakeread01...

What kind of motor are you talking about??

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Fish4Fun" wrote in message
...

I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I

tracked

that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to

the

trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes

the

motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from

the

negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the

negative

to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor move

up

and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT

and

some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided

that

I

really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the

relay

switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate

some

assistance!






The relay's contacts commonly fail on that T&T system. I see you now
know why they use relays for polarity switching instead of running all
that current to the trim switch!

The relays are OMC part #582472(some are #584416). I carry a spare so
that we can always get the motor up or down as needed. You will
probably find that only one has failed - an armature has broken or siezed.

Rob

The relays do go bad.

Hi,

The email address is not valid, but I would appreciate it if you would
resend it to me at this address:



Thank you!

"Mickey" wrote in message
news:ywEkc.8728$A27.2711@fed1read06...
Your wiring diagram is on the way via email I hope it was a valid address,
let me know if you need more help

Mick
"Fish4Fun" wrote in message
...
I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I
tracked
that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to
the
trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes
the
motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from
the
negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the
negative
to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor move
up
and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT
and
some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided
that
I
really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the
relay
switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate
some
assistance!

Thanks, I will check them out... I appreciate your response!


"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Fish4Fun wrote:

Its a Johnson 140hp outboard

"WRH" wrote in message
news:yLDkc.36055$f_5.23360@lakeread01...

What kind of motor are you talking about??

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Fish4Fun" wrote in message
...

I've got a problem with the trim on my boat.

If I move the switch up or down, I can hear the relay switches click (I
believe that they are relay switches) but the motor does not move up or
down.

In the throttle, I have a green wire, blue wire, and a red wire. I

tracked

that down to a box on the boat. The blue and green wire connect into
separate relay switches, with the same color wire going back out and to

the

trim motor. The red wire connects to a panel in the box.

My experiments to try to correct the problem:

If I place the main wires to the trim motor onto the battery, it makes

the

motor trim work, green + blue - makes the motor go down, blue + green -
makes the motor go up.

With it all hooked back up.... if I connect the red wire from the trim
switch to the negative on the battery.... and then connect a wire from

the

negative to a bare spot on the green wire AND another wire from the

negative

to a bare spot on the blue wire.... the trim switch makes the motor
move

up

and down just like it is supposed to.... BUT the wires got HOT HOT HOT

and

some of the insulation burned.... spark etc.... so I stopped, decided

that

I

really should see of someone would offer a suggestion.

Again, if it is all hooked up properly (So I believe) I just hear the

relay

switches click but no movement on the motor. I REALLY would appreciate

some

assistance!






The relay's contacts commonly fail on that T&T system. I see you now
know why they use relays for polarity switching instead of running all
that current to the trim switch!

The relays are OMC part #582472(some are #584416). I carry a spare so
that we can always get the motor up or down as needed. You will
probably find that only one has failed - an armature has broken or siezed.

Rob

In the process of nursing my old Mariner through 12 years and 3000 hours I went
through several of these solenoids. The last ones I bought were sold as lawn
tractor starter solenoids at the BORG and they lasted a lot longer than the
"official" mercury unit. It was an exact fit and about half price.
Merc/OMC does not make these things, they are bought "off the shelf" from a
relay maker, put in a logo'ed box, marked up egregiously and sold as an
"outboard" part.
In their defense, it is not cheap to maintain a part logistics stream, stocking
every part in a motor but you don't need to play.
BTW have you ever bought a bolt at a motor dealer? In one of my rebuilding
projects I replaced every fastener I pulled out. I just dropped them on the
counter at an industrial fastener place and saved about $50, getting superior
bolts.
PS, don't forget the internet. I needed some bolts that were unobtanium in the
US in stainless (commie metric stuff) but were off the shelf in Germany. Even
with shipping they were a lot cheaper than Merc "special order" and I got them
faster.

Greg wrote:

In the process of nursing my old Mariner through 12 years and 3000 hours I went
through several of these solenoids. The last ones I bought were sold as lawn
tractor starter solenoids at the BORG and they lasted a lot longer than the
"official" mercury unit. It was an exact fit and about half price.

AND not ignition protected.

Merc/OMC does not make these things, they are bought "off the shelf" from a
relay maker, put in a logo'ed box, marked up egregiously and sold as an
"outboard" part.

Generally not true. Electrical parts for outboards are usually built to
spec, yes, often by an outside supplier, and are USCG ignition
protected. They absolutely resemble regular automotive or industrial
non ignition protected parts and will provide the same function but it
would be very irresponsible for an outboard manufacturer or service
professional to use the generic (non-marine specific) parts.

Technically, you could not pass a Courtesy Inspection with the generic
parts, but no Power Squadron or Coast Guard member has ever checked much
beyond fuel containment, ventilation, and intake spark arrestors on our
boats for ignition protection.

The parts on this unit are 5-prong cube-style relays and are available
in the aftermarket. I've never seen one on a lawn tractor.

Rob