"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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How about this: Any soldier who was in harm's way is a hero. That
includes
millions, and excludes Nookular Boy. Simple.



Tell that to all the reservists. Those in Iraq, Afganistan, or about
to
go
there.



It was a compliment to the aforementioned soldiers. Did you miss that?



It was a knock on some reservists. Bush was a reservist. He could have
been called up. But end of Vietnam came along, and the military was
looking
more at downsizing, than bringing up more people.

1) It wasn't intended as a knock on reservists.
2) Please don't mention Bush in the same discussion as real citizens. Things
will go better that way.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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How about this: Any soldier who was in harm's way is a hero. That
includes
millions, and excludes Nookular Boy. Simple.



Tell that to all the reservists. Those in Iraq, Afganistan, or
about
to
go
there.



It was a compliment to the aforementioned soldiers. Did you miss that?



It was a knock on some reservists. Bush was a reservist. He could have
been called up. But end of Vietnam came along, and the military was
looking
more at downsizing, than bringing up more people.

1) It wasn't intended as a knock on reservists.
2) Please don't mention Bush in the same discussion as real citizens.
Things
will go better that way.



At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union head's sons
did.

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union head's sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them get out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

"Don" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them get out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.



Did you serve? I went in in 1965. Air Force. Draft notice went to the
wrong address late 1964, so knew they were looking for me. Never left the
States. assigned to a military airlift wing. Electronics. Spent most of
the time in an air-conditioned shop at Travis AFB fixing radar's off misc.
transports. I even get to check the Viet Nam era veteran box. Did turn
down chopper pilot offer from the army while at Keesler AFB. 1965 was not a
good year to be flying choppers. The one bad thing about the all volunteer
army is the need for fast, young guns. Get slower, more knowledgeable
gunners.

"Calif Bill" wrote
"Don" wrote
"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union head's
sons did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Did you serve?

Yes.

I went in in 1965. Air Force.

Serving in the military is no longer honorable because the soldiers are
little more than global thugs.

"Don" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote
"Don" wrote
"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union head's
sons did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Did you serve?

Yes.

I went in in 1965. Air Force.

Serving in the military is no longer honorable because the soldiers are
little more than global thugs.



I think that describes the administration perfectly, but not the majority of
the soldiers. I will say, though, that anyone who believes success was
likely has chosen not to learn from history. As we all know, that's always a
mistake. Our tactics didn't work in the Phillippines or Vietnam. They will
never work.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote
"Don" wrote
"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union
head's
sons did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Did you serve?

Yes.

I went in in 1965. Air Force.

Serving in the military is no longer honorable because the soldiers are
little more than global thugs.



I think that describes the administration perfectly, but not the majority
of
the soldiers.

Then you are exposing yourself to the wrong type of media.
The soldiers are stealing, killing and raping innocents....the same sort of
things you find in any run down inner city thug neighborhood.
You have heard about the US military uniforms and equipment showing up on
the black market in Iraq haven't you?

I will say, though, that anyone who believes success was
likely has chosen not to learn from history. As we all know, that's always
a
mistake. Our tactics didn't work in the Phillippines or Vietnam. They will
never work.

Since World War II, in 35 U.S. attempts to promote democracy around the
world none have succeeded.

Promoters of war too often fail to contemplate the unintended consequences
of an aggressive foreign policy. So far, the anti-war forces have not been
surprised with the chaos that has now become Iraq, or Iran's participation -
but even they cannot know all the long-term shortcomings of such a policy.

In an eagerness to march on Baghdad, the neo-cons gloated of the "shock and
awe" that was about to hit the Iraqi people. It turns out that the real
shock and awe is that they are further from peace in Iraq than they were a
year ago - and Secretary Rumsfeld admits his own surprise.

"Don" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote
"Don" wrote
"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union head's
sons did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Did you serve?

Yes.

I went in in 1965. Air Force.

Serving in the military is no longer honorable because the soldiers are
little more than global thugs.



I bet you said the same thing about Viet Nam era soldiers. Did you serve in
the military or Peace Corp?

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote
"Don" wrote
"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union
head's
sons did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Did you serve?

Yes.

I went in in 1965. Air Force.

Serving in the military is no longer honorable because the soldiers are
little more than global thugs.



I bet you said the same thing about Viet Nam era soldiers.

Then again, you'd be wrong.

Did you serve in
the military or Peace Corp?

75th Ranger Bn. 1974-1978.

"Don" wrote in message news:1nbic.2415

Serving in the military is no longer honorable because the soldiers are
little more than global thugs.

That's an asinine thing to say.