I can say with 100% accuracy that not all soldiers were baby killers,
rapists etc.

To say that the soldiers were ____________________ because of crimes
committed by a few, is a bad as saying all (insert ethnic group here) are
bums and drunks, because of the actions of a few.

Doug, I think you and Don have gone over the deep end, and your best left to
each other.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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How do you know, with 100% accuracy, that he did NOT witness the things he
claimed? After all, there was the My Lai incident, right? Or, like people
who deny that the holocaust happened, do you not believe the reports of
THAT
atrocity?

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet
Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running
high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the
late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to
think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had
some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the
Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like
someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper
for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some
reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over.
I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned
around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He
asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him
how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed
a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we
had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed
Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

John,
In case you haven't noticed, Harry is a simpleton.


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the
time,

Don't be a simpleton, Harry -- you know better than that. Where you're
born
is not always the salient point. Kerry was born in Colorado.

W lived in Texas oil country from the time he was a small boy.

"John Smith" wrote in message news:zHDic.24423

In case you haven't noticed, Harry is a simpleton.

I know, the only difference between Harry and b'asskisser is that b'ass
hasn't quite picked up this c&p obsession. But I keep hoping. I remember
back in the sixties someone saying "if you teach them, they can learn".

"John Smith" wrote in message
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I can say with 100% accuracy that not all soldiers were baby killers,
rapists etc.

In your alcohol-soaked reality, to you imagine having heard Kerry say 100%
of the soldiers in Vietnam committed atrocities?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the
reporter
was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor.
Here's
a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale.
In
the early sixties, he was for a while dating Jackie Kennedy's half sister,
and was a regular, with the Kennedys, at the Bouvier "cottage" in Newport.

My background was nothing like that, but I can still speak the native
language of this country more proficiently than your president. Why is that?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c6eqc6

Bush was raised in a home where English was spoken properly, attended a
tony prep school, got into Yale as a legacy, was turned down by a
third-rate Texas law school, and then had his way paid into Harvard
business school. Yet when he speaks, he sounds like an idiot.

GW is a terrible public speaker, 'tis true. But, to borrow a line from
"The
American President" (a lightweight but enjoyable bit of fluff from 1995),
"Louis, we have had Presidents who were beloved who couldn't find a
coherent
sentence with two hands and a flashlight." [possible slight paraphrasing]

The difference is that Kerry started in New England, and desperately
wanted
to sound even more like a Kennedy -- the evolution was natural. GW
started
in Texas, and didn't want to lose it. No amount of Prep School time in
the
world can remove a dose of Texas that doesn't want to be removed. That's
not good or bad, that's just the way it is.

With or without the Texas, GW would still be a poor public speaker. With
or
without the affected Brahmin, Kerry would still be an impressive one.
It's
an innate skill that is not necessarily relevant. The esteemed Mr.
Clinton
has shown us well that a glib and facile tongue doth not a great president
make.

Really, the worst part is that your boy is a chameleon, same as he paints
his opponent. He insists on mispronouncing words which are second nature to
a 7th grader in my town, so as to not alienate the dropouts who comprise the
majority of his support. Pathetic, isn't it? "Look, son. That's yer
presuhdent. Y'all can flunk outta school and be just like him". Remember
this? "Go ahead - fail all your courses, and you can pump gas for the rest
of your life".

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126


http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the

reporter

was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor.

Here's

a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale.

In

the early sixties, he was for a while dating Jackie Kennedy's half sister,
and was a regular, with the Kennedys, at the Bouvier "cottage" in Newport.


My background was nothing like that, but I can still speak the native
language of this country more proficiently than your president. Why is that?



Most of the union guys I know, guys my age who never had the
opportunities college offers and who worked physical labor for 40 years,
also speak English better than Bush. And read it better, too.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I far
preferred Dan'l Patrick Moynihan or Bill Clinton as speakers .

Moynihan was to many voters as a torpedo is to a stationary ship - too much
to handle. He'd begin a speech with an idea which required at least a 30
minute attention span. Cuomo was the same way. And Garrison Keillor......

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the
time,

Don't be a simpleton, Harry -- you know better than that. Where you're
born
is not always the salient point. Kerry was born in Colorado.

W lived in Texas oil country from the time he was a small boy.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be using the Texas thing as an
excuse for your leader sounding like a dolt. That's an insult to the rest of
Texas. Are you sure that's what you want to imply?

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I far
preferred Dan'l Patrick Moynihan or Bill Clinton as speakers .


Moynihan was to many voters as a torpedo is to a stationary ship - too much
to handle. He'd begin a speech with an idea which required at least a 30
minute attention span. Cuomo was the same way. And Garrison Keillor......



Yeah, well, those of us who love language and deal in it tend to admire
those who are expert in using it. Moynihan was a wonderful storyteller.
Whenever I attended a function where he would be, I'd be sure to hang
close, just so I could overhear some of the anecdotes.

Keillor is also a wonderful storyteller. If his radio show visits a city
near you, try to get tickets. It is an absolute hoot.

Of all the Presidents of the past 30 years, I'd rank Clinton the best
speaker, followed by Nixon. Nixon had a remarkable command of language
and was able to speak extem in great detail on complicated subjects.
Reagan was terrible without a script. Bush senior was just average as a
speaker. Carter was about the same. Gerry Ford, a favorite of mine as a
person, wasn't a great speaker.

I can remember Presidents going back to Truman, although I didn't really
get to know Truman until the 1960s, Of all the Presidents I recall,
there is little question Bush is the least capable intellectually, and
the worst speaker.