All chain rode is for old men
 

Old men too weak to lift 100 feet of nylon rope plus an anchor insist on all
chain rode -- claiming it is safer -- because chain fits through an electric
windlass with less effort than tailing a rope on an electric windlass.

Also, people who are scared to death of the water think all chain is somehow
"stronger" than rope and thus they want all chain to save themselves from their
own mistakes.

Fact is, all chain WILL bust out an anchor -- or break deck chocks loose --
when the winds pick up and the waves start.

all chain is for weak old men in motorboats with sticks and fraidy-cats
whowon't motor down the ICW without listening to Herb.

All chain rode is for old men
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Old men too weak to lift 100 feet of nylon rope plus an anchor insist on
all
chain rode -- claiming it is safer -- because chain fits through an
electric
windlass with less effort than tailing a rope on an electric windlass.

Also, people who are scared to death of the water think all chain is
somehow
"stronger" than rope and thus they want all chain to save themselves from
their
own mistakes.

Fact is, all chain WILL bust out an anchor -- or break deck chocks
loose --
when the winds pick up and the waves start.

all chain is for weak old men in motorboats with sticks and fraidy-cats
whowon't motor down the ICW without listening to Herb.

Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor -- keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should the winds
become too strong. Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors totally
inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.

like I said, all chain rode is for weak old men and it WILL pull the anchor
loose and/or break off deck chocks when the wind pipes up and the waves start.

All chain rode is for old men
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message

Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines.

When jax goes off his meds, he goes trolling.

All chain rode is for old men
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor --
keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should the
winds
become too strong. Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors
totally
inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat
holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.

like I said, all chain rode is for weak old men and it WILL pull the
anchor
loose and/or break off deck chocks when the wind pipes up and the waves
start.

Not been on a cruise ship, I see.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise ships?

All chain rode is for old men
 

When jax goes off his meds, he goes trolling.

a.) rec.boats has become a political trash heap. I am trying to bring boats
back into the ng

b.) all chain rode WILL pull your anchor loose and/or your deck chocks when the
winds pick up and the waves start.

c.) all chain rode is for old men too weak to lift a 100 feet of rope and an
anchor.

All chain rode is for old men
 

QED



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
When jax goes off his meds, he goes trolling.

a.) rec.boats has become a political trash heap. I am trying to bring
boats
back into the ng

b.) all chain rode WILL pull your anchor loose and/or your deck chocks
when the
winds pick up and the waves start.

c.) all chain rode is for old men too weak to lift a 100 feet of rope and
an
anchor.

All chain rode is for old men
 

ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.



Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.



dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor -- keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should the winds
become too strong. Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors totally
inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.

like I said, all chain rode is for weak old men and it WILL pull the anchor
loose and/or break off deck chocks when the wind pipes up and the waves start.

All chain rode is for old men
 

QED

yeah, sure. and in a hurricane to boot, right?




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
When jax goes off his meds, he goes trolling.

a.) rec.boats has become a political trash heap. I am trying to bring
boats
back into the ng

b.) all chain rode WILL pull your anchor loose and/or your deck chocks
when the
winds pick up and the waves start.

c.) all chain rode is for old men too weak to lift a 100 feet of rope and
an
anchor.

All chain rode is for old men
 

QED

a Danforth style?

All chain rode is for old men
 

nah, they anchor in open rodes with a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet of
dog leach chain.

way to go, dum-dum.

ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.



Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.



dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor -- keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should the
winds
become too strong. Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors
totally
inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat
holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.

like I said, all chain rode is for weak old men and it WILL pull the anchor
loose and/or break off deck chocks when the wind pipes up and the waves
start.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Actually.. he is kind-of correct... Most cruise ships run on electic
motors so they are only "running" when making turns... BUT, the gensets
that power them and the AC, lights etc are running most of the time.



otnmbrd wrote:
ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

JAXAshby wrote:

Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could
save a
lot of money on ground tackle.



Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could
save a
lot of money on ground tackle.



dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor --
keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should
the winds
become too strong. Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors
totally
inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat
holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.

like I said, all chain rode is for weak old men and it WILL pull the
anchor
loose and/or break off deck chocks when the wind pipes up and the
waves start.

All chain rode is for old men
 

G I think you are trying to say ... they anchor in open "roads" with
a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet of dog "leash" chain.
Actually, you don't see too many of the old "Baldt" stockless anchors on
ships anymore. Generally what you now see is something which looks
similar to a heavy "Danforth".
The average number of "shots" carried, varies but 11 is a good average.
(Jax heads for google to find out the length of a shot).
G Later, dipsquat.
otn

JAXAshby wrote:
nah, they anchor in open rodes with a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet of
dog leach chain.

way to go, dum-dum.


ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

All chain rode is for old men
 

so, *why* are you comparing a ship manned 24/7, with engines running, to a
recreational vessel?

again, all chain rode is for old men, and those afraid of the water.

G I think you are trying to say ... they anchor in open "roads" with
a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet of dog "leash" chain.
Actually, you don't see too many of the old "Baldt" stockless anchors on
ships anymore. Generally what you now see is something which looks
similar to a heavy "Danforth".
The average number of "shots" carried, varies but 11 is a good average.
(Jax heads for google to find out the length of a shot).
G Later, dipsquat.
otn

JAXAshby wrote:
nah, they anchor in open rodes with a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet
of
dog leach chain.

way to go, dum-dum.


ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

All chain rode is for old men
 

JAXAshby wrote:
so, *why* are you comparing a ship manned 24/7, with engines running, to a
recreational vessel?

He wasn't. You are. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.


again, all chain rode is for old men, and those afraid of the water.

In your humble opinion, of course.

DSK

All chain rode is for old men
 

. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.

of course they do, on anchor, which is the basis of the clown's claim prior.

All chain rode is for old men
 

again, all chain rode is for old men, and those afraid of the water.

In your humble opinion, of course.


me, and 99.99876% of the world's population.

All chain rode is for old men
 

. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.



JAXAshby wrote:
of course they do, on anchor, which is the basis of the clown's claim prior.

As a former ship's engineer, I can assure you for a fact that they do
not. At least, not in the real world. I don't have the experience to say
what they do in JaxWorld.

DSK

All chain rode is for old men
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships. In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored. All the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned Half Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?

All chain rode is for old men
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.



JAXAshby wrote:
of course they do, on anchor, which is the basis of the clown's claim
prior.

As a former ship's engineer, I can assure you for a fact that they do
not. At least, not in the real world. I don't have the experience to say
what they do in JaxWorld.

DSK


The only engine running is the gen set. Big gen set, but just a gen set.

All chain rode is for old men
 

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:08:19 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

When jax goes off his meds, he goes trolling.

===================================

Yes. He's right though with regard to his own boat.

An all chain rode would be overkill on his little bath tub toy.

All chain rode is for old men
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships.
In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored. All
the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned Half
Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?


Seen them anchored in St Martens, off Playa Car in the Yucatan, and
throughout the Galapagos.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Ed wrote:
Actually.. he is kind-of correct... Most cruise ships run on electic
motors so they are only "running" when making turns... BUT, the gensets
that power them and the AC, lights etc are running most of the time.

I'd need to check with an engineer, but I don't think the generators
used to power the main engines are the same as those used for "hotel"
services.

otn

All chain rode is for old men
 

A ship's engines are not running when at anchor, and I believe YOU
were the dipsquat that brought "ships" into the mix with your stupid,
uneducated statement that they keep their engines running.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
so, *why* are you comparing a ship manned 24/7, with engines running, to a
recreational vessel?

again, all chain rode is for old men, and those afraid of the water.


G I think you are trying to say ... they anchor in open "roads" with
a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet of dog "leash" chain.
Actually, you don't see too many of the old "Baldt" stockless anchors on
ships anymore. Generally what you now see is something which looks
similar to a heavy "Danforth".
The average number of "shots" carried, varies but 11 is a good average.
(Jax heads for google to find out the length of a shot).
G Later, dipsquat.
otn

JAXAshby wrote:

nah, they anchor in open rodes with a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet

of

dog leach chain.

way to go, dum-dum.



ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

All chain rode is for old men
 

Of course they DON'T !!! Where do you get these stupid ideas??? Try
using some common sense.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.


of course they do, on anchor, which is the basis of the clown's claim prior.

All chain rode is for old men
 

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise
ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships.
In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored.
All
the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned
Half
Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?


Seen them anchored in St Martens, off Playa Car in the Yucatan, and
throughout the Galapagos.




Forgot about the pics of anchored boats in the Galapagos. I'm thinking a
group of us may go in January. Then I can report on the smaller boats and
anchoring. And at Molikini in Maui, they use cables to the bottom.
Permanent moorings.

All chain rode is for old men
 

otnmbrd wrote in news:96Jgc.1996$e4.1441
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:



Ed wrote:
Actually.. he is kind-of correct... Most cruise ships run on electic
motors so they are only "running" when making turns... BUT, the
gensets
that power them and the AC, lights etc are running most of the time.

I'd need to check with an engineer, but I don't think the generators
used to power the main engines are the same as those used for "hotel"
services.

otn



It varies from ship to ship, soem or the ones I am familiar with use DC
generators to drive the electric motors attached to the screws, others
use huge ac sets todo the same. The ac ones use the same generators for
ships service, which causes all kinds of problems for some scientific
gear.

All the ships I worked on and the ones at anchor close to where I work
shut down the main engines (the ac powered ones I'm not 100 percent sure
never sailed on one) when at anchor

--
Rich
Enfield NS
Canada

All chain rode is for old men
 

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message ...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships.
In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored. All
the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned Half
Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?


Seen them anchored in St Martens, off Playa Car in the Yucatan, and
throughout the Galapagos.

Every cruise ship I have been on has spent *at least* one day anchored
somewhere, requiring launches to get passengers to and from shore.

My boat has all chain rode. Of course I bought the boat from a "weak
old man." However I like it. Requires less scope nad hasn't broke
loose since I put I more appropriate anchor on it.

All chain rode is for old men
 

On 18 Apr 2004 13:33:07 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Old men too weak to lift 100 feet of nylon rope plus an anchor insist on all
chain rode -- claiming it is safer -- because chain fits through an electric
windlass with less effort than tailing a rope on an electric windlass.


I don't know that it's safer (although it can be in certain
situations, such as a rocky bottom), and I much prefer the shock
absorbing characteristics of a mixed rode, but.........I went to all
chain myself not because I'm a weak old man (well, maybe I am, but
that's beside the point), but because my mixed rode turned out to be a
nightmare to use with my windlass, and the all chain rode is much more
reliable.

The rope portion of my rode turned so stiff that it would jump from
the gypsy on the windlass. When that happens while you're trying to
anchor in a cross-wind with waves pushing you ashore, it's an eye
opener. Not that alone, but the tailing would jam in the windlass
over time, requiring that I head up on deck to release it. Again,
it's not fun having to do this, because it always happens at the worst
possible time.

Heavy seas require more scope and the use of a snubber to provide the
shock absorbing characteristics necessary to prevent tackle damage.

All chain rode is for old men
 

me, and 99.99876% of the world's population.


.........are not aware of the manner in which
military and commercial ships lay at anchor.

All chain rode would be an overkill for your Sunfsh, however. You are certainly
correct
about that.

All chain rode is for old men
 

a.) rec.boats has become a political trash heap. I am trying to bring boats
back into the ng

You're right, sort of.

1) Rec boats is mostly politics these days.
The majority of new threads are political.
Boating topics get 2-3 responses, "Bush Sucks, Kerry Sucks, This Poster or That
Sucks" threads get 150.

2) It's a trash heap because of the level of discourse, in addition to the
prevailing, political subject matter. Fewer contributors
seem unable to grasp the concept that people with contrasting opinions are not
automatically ignorant miscreants with questionable paternity and incurable
personality disorders. Name calling and flaming are considered standard
procedure, with some posters carrying the same flame war from thread to thread
for several years. Less than adult behavior, by any objective standard.

Take your opening salvo in this thread.

You could have said, "All chain rode is inferior because..............." and
let it go at that. Nope. Didn't happen. Instead, anybody who disagrees with
your opinion is either a "weak old man" or "chicken of the sea."

If your goal is truly to redirect rec.boats from becoming 100% political or
even more of a trash heap, you should consider doing more than introducing a
boating related topic. You might consider a policy under which you don't bring
in additional trash.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Subject: All chain rode is for old men
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 04/18/2004 11:02 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor -- keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should the
winds
become too strong.

Where'd you ever come up with that stupid notion. If they were going to keep
their engines running, (A) they'd overrun their anchor and (B) mights well stay
at sea and cruise around wasting fuel.

Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors totally
inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.

Wrong again. Many of the smaller combatants use anchors with many similarities
to the Danforth which are appropriate to recreational sailboats.
At any rate, the anchors used on ships have some pretty good holding power in
varying conditions (I've been anchored on tankers in wind exceeding 40K, on one
anchor, with no problems).
BTW, my "Contessa" had all chain rode with no windlass/winch, and a Danforth
.....never had a problem in all kinds of holding grounds.
So, Jax ..... should I add "anchor handling" to the list of courses you need to
take?

Shen

All chain rode is for old men
 

Just as Jax left the discussion regarding propwalk, because it
exceeded his knowledge, he has quickly left this discussion, since his
limited knowledge/experience on the subject has become quickly obvious.
However, I applaud his effort to try and get this NG into discussions
other than the various idiot's political rants.
(Only assholes and politicians find politics worth argument..... and
only idiots interject those arguments into subjects with no relationship).

Off the soapbox.......

otn

Shen44 wrote:
Subject: All chain rode is for old men
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 04/18/2004 11:02 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


Well, you should inform the Navy and the cruise lines. They could save a
lot of money on ground tackle.


dum-dum, you are. both the Navy and cruise ships -- when at anchor -- keep
their engines running to be used to get the hell out of Dodge should the
winds
become too strong.


Where'd you ever come up with that stupid notion. If they were going to keep
their engines running, (A) they'd overrun their anchor and (B) mights well stay
at sea and cruise around wasting fuel.

Also, both the Navy and cruise ships use anchors totally

inappropriate for recreational sailboat. Navy anchors are for squat holding,
they are designed to be easily stored.


Wrong again. Many of the smaller combatants use anchors with many similarities
to the Danforth which are appropriate to recreational sailboats.
At any rate, the anchors used on ships have some pretty good holding power in
varying conditions (I've been anchored on tankers in wind exceeding 40K, on one
anchor, with no problems).
BTW, my "Contessa" had all chain rode with no windlass/winch, and a Danforth
....never had a problem in all kinds of holding grounds.
So, Jax ..... should I add "anchor handling" to the list of courses you need to
take?

Shen

All chain rode is for old men
 

All chain rode is for old men
 

On 18 Apr 2004 13:33:07 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Fact is, all chain WILL bust out an anchor -- or break deck chocks loose --
when the winds pick up and the waves start.



Hence why ones uses a snubber with an all chain rode....

-al-

All chain rode is for old men
 

On 20 Apr 2004 11:05:46 -0700, (Curtis CCR)
wrote:

They never started the turbines used for high speed work.

============================================

They're only allowed a very limited amount of running time on the
turbines because of the high fuel consumption, over 2,000 gallons per
hour if my memory is correct.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Wayne.B wrote in message . ..
On 20 Apr 2004 11:05:46 -0700, (Curtis CCR)
wrote:

They never started the turbines used for high speed work.

============================================

They're only allowed a very limited amount of running time on the
turbines because of the high fuel consumption, over 2,000 gallons per
hour if my memory is correct.

One of the engineers said it was over a gallon per second. They could
stay out for a couple of months using the diesels - they could run the
fuel dry in just a few hours when running the turbines. So we asked -
so when do you run them? "When responding to live or death
emergencies".

I don't recall the exact speed... but it was in the high 30's when
they used the turbines. 35 to 40 knots is a damned good clip for a
jet fuel burning, 370 footer.

All chain rode is for old men
 

Man your obnoxious.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Old men too weak to lift 100 feet of nylon rope plus an anchor insist on
all
chain rode -- claiming it is safer -- because chain fits through an
electric
windlass with less effort than tailing a rope on an electric windlass.

Also, people who are scared to death of the water think all chain is
somehow
"stronger" than rope and thus they want all chain to save themselves from
their
own mistakes.

Fact is, all chain WILL bust out an anchor -- or break deck chocks
loose --
when the winds pick up and the waves start.

all chain is for weak old men in motorboats with sticks and fraidy-cats
whowon't motor down the ICW without listening to Herb.

All chain rode is for old men
 

"R Lanni" wrote in message ...
Man your obnoxious.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Old men too weak to lift 100 feet of nylon rope plus an anchor insist on
all
chain rode -- claiming it is safer -- because chain fits through an
electric
windlass with less effort than tailing a rope on an electric windlass.

Also, people who are scared to death of the water think all chain is
somehow
"stronger" than rope and thus they want all chain to save themselves from
their
own mistakes.

Fact is, all chain WILL bust out an anchor -- or break deck chocks
loose --
when the winds pick up and the waves start.

all chain is for weak old men in motorboats with sticks and fraidy-cats
whowon't motor down the ICW without listening to Herb.

I have to disagree, Chain Rode serves a very important purpose,
espially in Sandy or Muddy Sea Floors. The intent of the Chain is to
keep the Anchor set, of course this can also be done with Weights on
the Rode. This has been the salvation of any Boat that went to Sea in
a Hurricane and Moored, rather than have the Surge pile thier vessel
up on the shore with all the remnants of the Marina.