"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.



JAXAshby wrote:
of course they do, on anchor, which is the basis of the clown's claim
prior.

As a former ship's engineer, I can assure you for a fact that they do
not. At least, not in the real world. I don't have the experience to say
what they do in JaxWorld.

DSK


The only engine running is the gen set. Big gen set, but just a gen set.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:08:19 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

When jax goes off his meds, he goes trolling.

===================================

Yes. He's right though with regard to his own boat.

An all chain rode would be overkill on his little bath tub toy.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships.
In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored. All
the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned Half
Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?


Seen them anchored in St Martens, off Playa Car in the Yucatan, and
throughout the Galapagos.

Ed wrote:
Actually.. he is kind-of correct... Most cruise ships run on electic
motors so they are only "running" when making turns... BUT, the gensets
that power them and the AC, lights etc are running most of the time.

I'd need to check with an engineer, but I don't think the generators
used to power the main engines are the same as those used for "hotel"
services.

otn

A ship's engines are not running when at anchor, and I believe YOU
were the dipsquat that brought "ships" into the mix with your stupid,
uneducated statement that they keep their engines running.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
so, *why* are you comparing a ship manned 24/7, with engines running, to a
recreational vessel?

again, all chain rode is for old men, and those afraid of the water.


G I think you are trying to say ... they anchor in open "roads" with
a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet of dog "leash" chain.
Actually, you don't see too many of the old "Baldt" stockless anchors on
ships anymore. Generally what you now see is something which looks
similar to a heavy "Danforth".
The average number of "shots" carried, varies but 11 is a good average.
(Jax heads for google to find out the length of a shot).
G Later, dipsquat.
otn

JAXAshby wrote:

nah, they anchor in open rodes with a 10# Danforth on three thousand feet

of

dog leach chain.

way to go, dum-dum.



ROFL Trying to start another argument on a subject you know little or
nothing about, I see. ...... "keep their engines running" ...ROFLMAO

otn

Of course they DON'T !!! Where do you get these stupid ideas??? Try
using some common sense.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
. But you haven't seemed to grasp the fact that navy
ships and commercial ships do not "leave their engines running" while in
port.


of course they do, on anchor, which is the basis of the clown's claim prior.

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise
ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships.
In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored.
All
the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned
Half
Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?


Seen them anchored in St Martens, off Playa Car in the Yucatan, and
throughout the Galapagos.




Forgot about the pics of anchored boats in the Galapagos. I'm thinking a
group of us may go in January. Then I can report on the smaller boats and
anchoring. And at Molikini in Maui, they use cables to the bottom.
Permanent moorings.

otnmbrd wrote in news:96Jgc.1996$e4.1441
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:



Ed wrote:
Actually.. he is kind-of correct... Most cruise ships run on electic
motors so they are only "running" when making turns... BUT, the
gensets
that power them and the AC, lights etc are running most of the time.

I'd need to check with an engineer, but I don't think the generators
used to power the main engines are the same as those used for "hotel"
services.

otn



It varies from ship to ship, soem or the ones I am familiar with use DC
generators to drive the electric motors attached to the screws, others
use huge ac sets todo the same. The ac ones use the same generators for
ships service, which causes all kinds of problems for some scientific
gear.

All the ships I worked on and the ones at anchor close to where I work
shut down the main engines (the ac powered ones I'm not 100 percent sure
never sailed on one) when at anchor

--
Rich
Enfield NS
Canada

"Paul Fritz" wrote in message ...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Not been on a cruise ship, I see.


not on one that was anchored. you see a lot of anchored cruise ships?

Yup. Try the Carib during New Years. Lots of anchored cruise ships.
In
St. John, both us and the QE2 and at least 5 others were anchored. All
the
Holland America boats anchor when they go to Holland America owned Half
Moon
Cay. Try Grand Cayman. You ever been on a boat / ship?


Seen them anchored in St Martens, off Playa Car in the Yucatan, and
throughout the Galapagos.

Every cruise ship I have been on has spent *at least* one day anchored
somewhere, requiring launches to get passengers to and from shore.

My boat has all chain rode. Of course I bought the boat from a "weak
old man." However I like it. Requires less scope nad hasn't broke
loose since I put I more appropriate anchor on it.

On 18 Apr 2004 13:33:07 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Old men too weak to lift 100 feet of nylon rope plus an anchor insist on all
chain rode -- claiming it is safer -- because chain fits through an electric
windlass with less effort than tailing a rope on an electric windlass.


I don't know that it's safer (although it can be in certain
situations, such as a rocky bottom), and I much prefer the shock
absorbing characteristics of a mixed rode, but.........I went to all
chain myself not because I'm a weak old man (well, maybe I am, but
that's beside the point), but because my mixed rode turned out to be a
nightmare to use with my windlass, and the all chain rode is much more
reliable.

The rope portion of my rode turned so stiff that it would jump from
the gypsy on the windlass. When that happens while you're trying to
anchor in a cross-wind with waves pushing you ashore, it's an eye
opener. Not that alone, but the tailing would jam in the windlass
over time, requiring that I head up on deck to release it. Again,
it's not fun having to do this, because it always happens at the worst
possible time.

Heavy seas require more scope and the use of a snubber to provide the
shock absorbing characteristics necessary to prevent tackle damage.